Battlestar Galactica Season 4

  catsonearth said:

no, each model has it's own distinct personality traits, which we are to assume were created with a certain purpose in mind, though it's never stated what their specific purposes are. the 6s are pretty obviously designed to use sexuality as a way of manipulation/infiltration, the 8s (sharon/boomer) seem to evoke strong emotional connections from humans (and vice versa), etc. they don't have a hive mind and can each be molded by their own personal experiences and develop their own distinct personalities.

I might have missed something, but the "human cylons" don't seem to actually know who built them or why.

do they need to know for it to be true? :confused:

  tauboo said:

do they need to know for it to be true? :confused:

no, it just feeds into the whole "destiny" plot. the cylons were literally created for a purpose and they literally dont know what that is - so you cant really blame them for acting like human monotheists.

i have a feeling their "God" is going to be a Matrix 2 style architect character who has been manipulating all the "mystical destiny" stuff all along

since BSG is set in the far future (spoiler!!!), this will probably be a super advanced Earth type person

one thing i am wondering - since human/cylons are indistinguishable from humans, is it possible that all the "humans" in the show are also artificial in origin, and the only "real" people are the earth-folks we have yet to see?

  analogue wings said:

the cylons start having flakey religious epiphanies and wanting to get to Earth just like the humans. the religious ones split with the hardline genociders and start trying to work with the humans

actually, if you remember back in s2.5, the "cylon heroes" (caprica six and boomer) were able to sway the cylons away from their original plan of destroying and recolonizing the 12 colonies. because of their previous relationships with humans (baltar and chief tyrol) they are the only cylons to ever experience anything resembling love, so they begin to believe their original plan was wrong and sinful. because they are pretty much the only cylons that stand apart from their model numbers and have become a kind of celebrity within the cylon world they are able to convince the others to abandon the original directive and let the humans be. they abandon their plan of recolonization and make the search for earth their primary focus (whereas before it was only a side directive of interest only to a few cylon models). their mentality is basically "ok, you guys can have your colonies back and we'll just look for earth and live there". i don't know if they knew or even cared if the humans were trying to find earth to be their home as well. this "truce" eventually leads them to attempt a "peaceful cohabitation" when they inadvertently run into the humans on new caprica, which doesn't exactly play out the way they thought it would because...well, the humans just can't seem to forget the mass genocide inflicted on them by the cylons.

  catsonearth said:

  analogue wings said:

the cylons start having flakey religious epiphanies and wanting to get to Earth just like the humans. the religious ones split with the hardline genociders and start trying to work with the humans

 

actually, if you remember back in s2.5, the "cylon heroes" (caprica six and boomer) were able to sway the cylons away from their original plan of destroying and recolonizing the 12 colonies. because of their previous relationships with humans (baltar and chief tyrol) they are the only cylons to ever experience anything resembling love, so they begin to believe their original plan was wrong and sinful. because they are pretty much the only cylons that stand apart from their model numbers and have become a kind of celebrity within the cylon world they are able to convince the others to abandon the original directive and let the humans be. they abandon their plan of recolonization and make the search for earth their primary focus (whereas before it was only a side directive of interest only to a few cylon models). their mentality is basically "ok, you guys can have your colonies back and we'll just look for earth and live there". i don't know if they knew or even cared if the humans were trying to find earth to be their home as well. this "truce" eventually leads them to attempt a "peaceful cohabitation" when they inadvertently run into the humans on new caprica, which doesn't exactly play out the way they thought it would because...well, the humans just can't seem to forget the mass genocide inflicted on them by the cylons.

yeah i did kind of skip series 2 :embrassed:

dunno about the "have your colonies back" business - arent they kind of radioactive wastelands?

oh, btw, awepittance, the cylon sleeper agents you saw in the commercial aren't the same as the other humanoid cylons, so they have no reason to just activate and start killing people. they don't know their true nature and the skinjob cylons don't know who they are and are programmed not to think about or try to seek them out. we've yet to discover why, but it's surely coming soon.

also, i recommend not reading any of the stuff we're talking about and just watch it yourself, trusting that there aren't any major plot holes. the only plot holes that exist in the show are minor things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things (like conflicting accounts of how long adama served on the galactica and mundane stuff like that), everything else is done for a purpose.

  analogue wings said:

yeah i did kind of skip series 2 :embrassed:

 

dunno about the "have your colonies back" business - arent they kind of radioactive wastelands?

yea, well...that's cylon logic for you.

  catsonearth said:

the only plot holes that exist in the show are minor things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things (like conflicting accounts of how long adama served on the galactica and mundane stuff like that), everything else is done for a purpose.

it's only a tv show, man :laughing:

there are a lot of "invisible hands" in the show, ie

* whoever built and programmed the skinjob cylons (where did they go?)

* the lost tribe

* the "gods"

* "god"

* whoever is putting visions into people's heads

* whoever built all the temples and stuff they have found so far

* whoever built and has now activated the final four

* whoever showed starbuck earth and resurrected her and gave her the special earth finding viper

if ALL these mysterious people aren't one in the same, you could have some plot holes :laughing:

i hate how this show makes me care. it's like quantum leap ALL OVER AGAIN.

  analogue wings said:

it's only a tv show, man :laughing:

that's the thing though...it's not just a tv show, it's more like an epic fable produced for television. the writers aren't just sitting in a room saying "ok, what adventure are we going to send our characters on this week", it's all part of a large overall concept of a cyclical history. the writers actually go back through all the previous episodes in order to make sure the whole remains cohesive and use past events as jumping boards for future scenarios. there are very few story branches that end up going nowhere...the only one i know of off hand was in mid-late season 3 when they had to abandon and rewrite that sagittaron side plot before baltar's trial dealing with some kind of event back on new caprica. bits of it were already in the can and couldn't be changed, so they just had to leave in certain elements that ultimately went nowhere. but still, the specifics of the plotline weren't essential to the overall story, so it didn't really leave a hole, just a dead end.

  analogue wings said:

there are a lot of "invisible hands" in the show, ie

 

* whoever built and programmed the skinjob cylons (where did they go?)

* the lost tribe

* the "gods"

* "god"

* whoever is putting visions into people's heads

* whoever built all the temples and stuff they have found so far

* whoever built and has now activated the final four

* whoever showed starbuck earth and resurrected her and gave her the special earth finding viper

 

if ALL these mysterious people aren't one in the same, you could have some plot holes :laughing:

it seems to me that they are all related in some way. i don't know that it's all the result of a single "person", but i believe they all have to do with what happened on earth before humans traveled to kobol and what ultimately took place on kobol that caused them all to split. they've already thrown out many clues to all of the things you've listed, so i don't see why any of them would be left as plot holes.

never mind.

  hayhook said:

the producers have said:

 

the 5th is not one of the "last supper folks"

oh

didn't i have posts in this thread?

i there are 2 bsg threads that have similar titles. don't really remember this one.

ok then, you never told us what is the second half gonna be about

BsG mini web episodes start this week

and

see? i don't come here to express every single thing that bothers me about this show.

calm down gordo

YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS, HAYHOOK?

my bad

  playbynumbers said:

yeah the jimi hendrix song at the end of s3 was the single stupidest thing i've ever seen on bsg

That wasn't the Jimi version. Lol.

And it's a Bob Dylan song.