splesh Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Cap.IV and Dial. are out of this world. I like the whole EP, but these two really shine Friendly Stranger, ambermonk, auxien and 1 other 4 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2843360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) I've had this track stuck in my head for the last 24 hours - the first half at least. Even had trouble sleeping last night because of it. Odd how it can feel so appropriate nearly two decades later. Edited January 8, 2021 by ambermonke splesh, Turbo Zwanengestuif and auxien 2 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ambermonk's signature Hide all signatures On 10/21/2015 at 9:51 AM, peace 7 said: To keep it real and analog, I'm gonna start posting to WATMM by writing my posts in fountain pen on hemp paper, putting them in bottles, and throwing them into the ocean. On 11/5/2013 at 7:51 PM, Sean Ae said: you have to watch those silent people, always trying to trick you with their silence Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2845930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewSchoolScience Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Glorious ambermonk 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2845934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
springymajig Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) On 12/20/2020 at 5:29 PM, dcom said: Polyrhythms are simply parallel repeating patterns of different lengths, they don't have to map to bar lengths/boundaries or anything else. As long as theres two (or more) patterns with different lengths, e.g. you have straight up 4/4 bass drum (over 16 beats on 1, 5, 9, 13) and a TB-303 pattern repeating every 3 or 5 beats - that's it, you've got a polyrhythmic track. When you combine (poly)rhythms that make the track sound off-beat, you've got syncopation. Add weird time signatures like 7/8, 11/16, 15/16 or 31/32 to the mix and you can frustrate people who like to count beats to no end. Expand Actually... to be precise, my understanding is that what you are describing, and what dingformung describes as the first kind of polyrhythm is actually called polymeter. However... everyone just calls it polyrhythm anyway, so does it matter? I dunno. Actual polyrhythms, where the bar length is the same but the division length is different, usually sounds super messy and shit when it's anything that isn't divisible by 3 (eg 3 against 4, 4 against 3, 6 against 4 etc). I've heard examples of 5 against 4 that worked but rarely. I think that will probably change over time as audiences get used to listening to the "quintuplet swing" (a bar of 4 beats each subdivided by 5) which is all the rage at the moment in prog and jazz and will surely become mainstream in the not too distant future (oh yeah I THINK Cfern is an example of quintuplets but it could just be triplets). Edited January 10, 2021 by springymajig Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide springymajig's signature Hide all signatures My music: Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2846410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcom Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 7:56 PM, springymajig said: Actually... to be precise, my understanding is that what you are describing, and what dingformung describes as the first kind of polyrhythm is actually called polymeter. You're right, and I conflated the terms like you mentioned, on purpose. True polyrhythms are used in electronic (dance) music, but very sparingly. Fold4, Wrap5 comes to mind. springymajig 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dcom's signature Hide all signatures It Doesn't Matter™ You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. dcomμnications (WATMM blog, mostly about non-IDM releases, maybe something else, too.) Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2846414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
springymajig Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 8:14 PM, dcom said: You're right, and I conflated the terms like you mentioned, on purpose. True polyrhythms are used in electronic (dance) music, but very sparingly. Fold4, Wrap5 comes to mind. OMG! I totally didn't realise that till you mentioned it! It's right there in the title! (well... kinda)... as if the weird tempo shifts (which is probably some kind of audio illusion... possibly using metric modulation or something) in that track wasn't weird enough already! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide springymajig's signature Hide all signatures My music: Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2846420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WurstPLUS Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 undial Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2847440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t yst r Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 5/23/2008 at 12:24 AM, Guest vodor said: i always thought that cap.iv was a whole lot like lentic catachresis. practically a remix. it's lentic with harsh squeeks and gut-punches rather than ticks and hisses. right down to the slow chords, chopped up vocals, and of course the acceleration into insanity. am i right? i've tried to say this before, and people are like "eh whatever," but i think it's blatant. Expand Absolutely agree! Moreover, I (unfoundedly) suspect that Cap.IV may have been the original closer for Confield. The similarity of both tracks and also the nearly identical runtimes (so it could also fit on the CD?). Maybe the boys deemed it a bit too wild for the album, but didn't want to ditch the idea. Hence, a similar track, but somewhat more in line with the general atmosphere of the album. Too good a track to let go to waste, it was perfect for an EP. I believe I've read somewhere on WATMM that Gantz Graf (the track) was made in 1997 or so and was something they didn't know what to do with. So together with this and Dial. it made a smashing EP. Perhaps Dial. is the only track specifically written for that release? Could be total bollocks though... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/33190-capiv/page/3/#findComment-2889441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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