Drum Samples?

  beneboi said:

  YEK said:

dude, check my link, seriously, folks...

 

seriously, if you feel like wasting vast amounts of time rummaging through free sample sites

 

 

 

im uploading a 500mb rar with every break i have in .wav format, ill post a link later when it finishes

did this happen? can I have this?

here's a drum kit Orubasarot gaveme back in the day.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?8j2j5aoaa0t

please don't download it if you hate him

may his spirit live one forever!

yes, may his spirit live one...

one love

get a real drum kit

burrrrnnnn

  catsonearth said:

i'm tempted to slag you off for being lazy and not doing it all yourself, but we've all been there. the shit is tedious. but still, i'm of the school that if possible, you should find, sample and chop your breaks yourself. otherwise it's not really yours, you know? dealing with sampled music is a very fine line for me, if you're just using the same sounds everybody else is using then what's the point? sample it with your equipment, using your ears...that's how you get the real shit. that's how some producers amen breaks sound different than others, giving them their own unique character.

i think it's something that's been slowly getting lost with the wealth of info available on the internet - the hunt, the ritual, the process, the discovery. i completely understand the desire to just have your sounds ready for you and jump right in, but you definitely lose something in the translation, i think.

 

that's just my 2 cents. i'm not gonna knock you because i've done the same thing in my day, but the truth is i've never been as happy with the results as when it was a break i found, sampled, eqd and chopped the way i wanted it. juss sayin...

hear hear!! this hearkens the tried and true institution of cratedigging, just to find that OHMYGOD obscure $1 record from 1967 that has three seconds of what you need for a track that's more likely to fail than anything else, but yeah, that's part of the beauty of making music i reckon!

  sinicalypse said:

  catsonearth said:

i'm tempted to slag you off for being lazy and not doing it all yourself, but we've all been there. the shit is tedious. but still, i'm of the school that if possible, you should find, sample and chop your breaks yourself. otherwise it's not really yours, you know? dealing with sampled music is a very fine line for me, if you're just using the same sounds everybody else is using then what's the point? sample it with your equipment, using your ears...that's how you get the real shit. that's how some producers amen breaks sound different than others, giving them their own unique character.

i think it's something that's been slowly getting lost with the wealth of info available on the internet - the hunt, the ritual, the process, the discovery. i completely understand the desire to just have your sounds ready for you and jump right in, but you definitely lose something in the translation, i think.

 

that's just my 2 cents. i'm not gonna knock you because i've done the same thing in my day, but the truth is i've never been as happy with the results as when it was a break i found, sampled, eqd and chopped the way i wanted it. juss sayin...

 

hear hear!! this hearkens the tried and true institution of cratedigging, just to find that OHMYGOD obscure $1 record from 1967 that has three seconds of what you need for a track that's more likely to fail than anything else, but yeah, that's part of the beauty of making music i reckon!

so.. then you use it another track?

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

all this talk about cheating with samples makes me want to make some cheating tracks. all samples! no effects! no eq! 300 bpm!

  beneboi said:

im uploading a 500mb rar with every break i have in .wav format, ill post a link later when it finishes

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

this is getting a little off blicero's main topic, but i'll riff on this for a bit. not all of it is directly referencing this topic, just responding to this question, so don't get all butt hurt.

it's not cheating, per say, it just further removes the music from it's roots, which imo can be a dangerous trend that leads to lazy composition and music that is naive to it's own history. i certainly understand the desire to just jump in to making a track without having to do all the busy work ahead of time (or in the middle, killing your flow), but in a way, you're putting the cart before the horse. you wouldn't join a band as a lead guitarist unless you'd spent some time learning how to play and manipulate your instrument. the nature of electronic music is that you can't just sit down and bang something out, there's a lot of non-compositional prep-work involved and if you try to bypass that...i dunno, it's shaky ground. sometimes it's annoying, but that's the music. you want instant gratification, this is not the music for you.

i mean, if you just need a crunchy snare sound and that's it, i don't think you should have to go searching far and wide, listening to tons of records just to find it, but i do think there's a certain organic flow to sampled music when the composer is hands on with the samples from the start. to me, the whole point of sampling music (as opposed to using premade sounds like drum machines) is to celebrate the diversity of the sounds, not just as a mine for instruments to drop into your mix. the character of the sounds, how they were recorded, the kind of sounds that they're accompanied by, the kind of song the sample originates from, the condition of the vinyl, the character of your needle, the artwork of the record sleeve, etc. all help to inspire the kind of track you end up making with those samples, even on a subconscious level. it may be a little snobby, but to me, that's the way it should be. if you're just downloading the samples, you've lost all that history and context and it's just a sound to you.

it's kinda the same argument as using presets on synths. i have nothing against presets, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but if all you use is presets and you never get your hands on the sounds yourself, then where is the artistry in that? what makes you different than anybody else with a copy of fruity loops and a harddrive full of sample torrents? the order in which you place the notes? come on, there's more to music than that. any monkey can sequence sounds on a computer, it's the hand of the artist that adds personality and character to the music.

so sure, you can use sample packs and presets in your arsenal, no doubt (especially if you've "earned it" by building up a library of your own samples to blend them with), but they should be tools used sparingly or else you run the risk that 50,000 other people who've downloaded the same torrent as you are using the same sounds and that's kind of embarrassing (to me, at least). the samples you use should add to the music, not take away from it and anytime your music is obviously linked to another song because of like samples, you're taking the listener out of the space of your song and placing your music in some kind of metaphysical pool of linked recognition where your song is forever connected to a string of other songs and can no longer be seen on it's own. that can work in your favor (throwing a tough amen rinse in your track is going to inextricably link that track to the entire history of jungle music whether you like it or not) and it can work against you (sample 'every breath you take' and you'll never escape to p-diddy comparisons). it all depends on the outcome you're looking for. but regardless, i think the key word here is "sparingly".

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

i think people who would call you a cheater need to eat a bowl of dick up

music is not first and foremost a business, it's a way to express yourself

don't think twice about using any tools you need to accomplish that goal

  IRARI said:

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

 

i think people who would call you a cheater need to eat a bowl of dick up

music is not first and foremost a business, it's a way to express yourself

don't think twice about using any tools you need to accomplish that goal

qft.

  IRARI said:

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

 

i think people who would call you a cheater need to eat a bowl of dick up

music is not first and foremost a business, it's a way to express yourself

don't think twice about using any tools you need to accomplish that goal

but wouldn't you argue that trying to express yourself by using premade sounds is the equivalent of asserting your individuality and non-conformity by shopping at hot topic? in that sense, wouldn't you just be expressing that deep down you're the same as everybody else?

not saying you're wrong or anything, just playing devil's advocate here because there is a fine line.

  catsonearth said:

  IRARI said:

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

 

i think people who would call you a cheater need to eat a bowl of dick up

music is not first and foremost a business, it's a way to express yourself

don't think twice about using any tools you need to accomplish that goal

 

but wouldn't you argue that trying to express yourself by using premade sounds is the equivalent of asserting your individuality and non-conformity by shopping at hot topic? in that sense, wouldn't you just be expressing that deep down you're the same as everybody else?

 

not saying you're wrong or anything, just playing devil's advocate here because there is a fine line.

i don't have qualms about doing things musically that use presets or samples

probably because for me the whole process is about personal development

enjoyment of the product may be entirely secondary to what i learned while making it

and even if i know i'm doing something that already exists in "better" instances,

i'm still going to evaluate my product's--or experience's--integrity based on my own criteria

then the question of the role of the listener can come into play;

i often judge music negatively that doesn't seem to cater to the listener enough

but that's because music is frequently encountered as a commodity

if i'm paying someone to entertain me then i would expect them to behave according to the points you described in your earlier post

but i guess i'm also saying that happy accidents can occur, whereby a paid entertainer turns mistakes or limitations into creativity

and that's what i'm trying to encourage JohnTqs to allow himself to do, without worrying about what watmm or anyone else thinks

  catsonearth said:

  IRARI said:

  JohnTqs said:

hey all, i need a second opinion.

would you consider it 'cheating' if i even used these samples from the collections being posted here? Because i didn't actually find the samples, not really. But I won't be just looping the samples if i use them, i'll do my own eqing and shit...i don't know it just seems like a shortcut. what's your opinion?

 

i think people who would call you a cheater need to eat a bowl of dick up

music is not first and foremost a business, it's a way to express yourself

don't think twice about using any tools you need to accomplish that goal

 

but wouldn't you argue that trying to express yourself by using premade sounds is the equivalent of asserting your individuality and non-conformity by shopping at hot topic? in that sense, wouldn't you just be expressing that deep down you're the same as everybody else?

 

not saying you're wrong or anything, just playing devil's advocate here because there is a fine line.

Don't be sampling records then. Those are premade sounds.

i dont feel the pressure to be purist about sampling. everythign has been sampled now save for those few samples still out there and you know what you might find a sample that fits and seems new then find someone else already used it. so then what? so fuck that shit. i don't make hiphop but my music is inspired by it sure but doesnt mean i need to treat it with respect or obey its rules. i can take a sample from an 128bit mp3 and you know what it doesnt matter. what matters is what comes out at the end. if its shit then having the greatest new sample ever ever doesnt mean anything.

  Benedict Cumberbatch said:

i dont feel the pressure to be purist about sampling. everythign has been sampled now save for those few samples still out there and you know what you might find a sample that fits and seems new then find someone else already used it. so then what? so fuck that shit. i don't make hiphop but my music is inspired by it sure but doesnt mean i need to treat it with respect or obey its rules. i can take a sample from an 128bit mp3 and you know what it doesnt matter. what matters is what comes out at the end. if its shit then having the greatest new sample ever ever doesnt mean anything.

i feel you on that, i'm not saying you gotta only sample vinyl or anything like that, i'm not into rules or being a purist, i'm more about being connected to what you're doing as opposed to wanting to have everything done for you. to me, it's not so much about originality or finding things that people have never used before because like you said, that's not really the point, but i feel that if you're going to be so bold as to sample someone elses music you have to have a certain amount of respect for what they've done and part of that respect is understanding that what you are doing doesn't exist in a bubble and the sole purpose of these artists hard work and creativity is not to provide you with the perfect horn stab for your disco track. in my mind, it's important for an artist to be conscious of the work he/she is referencing. i mean, you wouldn't use the mona lisa in a collage without realizing that the painting carries weight, history and context to it that is going to be inseparable from the image itself, even if the context you're placing it in is different. and if you don't understand at least a little of that history, then you're ignorant to the piece of art you've just created.

i'm just personally a little offended when people have heard one daft punk album and then download rebirth and start pumping out generic house tunes with absolutely no connection to what they're doing. it cheapens the music i love by reducing it to something that can just be pumped out at will with very little effort. i feel the same way about sample cds and the like. it's just lazy and a little disrespectful like "i'm too much of a creative genius to be bogged down by trivial things like sampling and editing my own sounds - that's the work of cretins". noooooo, that's what it means to be an electronic musician - you're part composer, part conductor, part editor, part collage artist, part sound engineer, etc.

maybe i'm just old school, but that's the way i feel. the easier this music gets to produce thanks to technology and saturation, the more it falls on the artists shoulders to elevate it above mere toy-ish hobbying and in my humble, but wordy opinion, downloading a bunch of pre-cut, nameless, faceless samples that someone else has mined, sampled and edited for you is not only selling yourself short, but also cheapening the work of the people that came before you. i'm not saying it should never be done and that anyone who does it is a poser, but i do feel strongly that it's something that should be used sparingly as a last resort, not as a primary means of composing. whenever possible, you should be putting your own personal hand into the mix. it's like, if you consider yourself a painter and you only use colors straight out of the tubes and don't mix your own, then regardless of how well you put the paint on the canvas, you're still revealing yourself to be pretty unaccomplished as an artist.

  catsonearth said:

  Benedict Cumberbatch said:

i dont feel the pressure to be purist about sampling. everythign has been sampled now save for those few samples still out there and you know what you might find a sample that fits and seems new then find someone else already used it. so then what? so fuck that shit. i don't make hiphop but my music is inspired by it sure but doesnt mean i need to treat it with respect or obey its rules. i can take a sample from an 128bit mp3 and you know what it doesnt matter. what matters is what comes out at the end. if its shit then having the greatest new sample ever ever doesnt mean anything.

 

i feel you on that, i'm not saying you gotta only sample vinyl or anything like that, i'm not into rules or being a purist, i'm more about being connected to what you're doing as opposed to wanting to have everything done for you. to me, it's not so much about originality or finding things that people have never used before because like you said, that's not really the point, but i feel that if you're going to be so bold as to sample someone elses music you have to have a certain amount of respect for what they've done and part of that respect is understanding that what you are doing doesn't exist in a bubble and the sole purpose of these artists hard work and creativity is not to provide you with the perfect horn stab for your disco track. in my mind, it's important for an artist to be conscious of the work he/she is referencing. i mean, you wouldn't use the mona lisa in a collage without realizing that the painting carries weight, history and context to it that is going to be inseparable from the image itself, even if the context you're placing it in is different. and if you don't understand at least a little of that history, then you're ignorant to the piece of art you've just created.

 

i'm just personally a little offended when people have heard one daft punk album and then download rebirth and start pumping out generic house tunes with absolutely no connection to what they're doing. it cheapens the music i love by reducing it to something that can just be pumped out at will with very little effort. i feel the same way about sample cds and the like. it's just lazy and a little disrespectful like "i'm too much of a creative genius to be bogged down by trivial things like sampling and editing my own sounds - that's the work of cretins". noooooo, that's what it means to be an electronic musician - you're part composer, part conductor, part editor, part collage artist, part sound engineer, etc.

 

maybe i'm just old school, but that's the way i feel. the easier this music gets to produce thanks to technology and saturation, the more it falls on the artists shoulders to elevate it above mere toy-ish hobbying and in my humble, but wordy opinion, downloading a bunch of pre-cut, nameless, faceless samples that someone else has mined, sampled and edited for you is not only selling yourself short, but also cheapening the work of the people that came before you. i'm not saying it should never be done and that anyone who does it is a poser, but i do feel strongly that it's something that should be used sparingly as a last resort, not as a primary means of composing. whenever possible, you should be putting your own personal hand into the mix. it's like, if you consider yourself a painter and you only use colors straight out of the tubes and don't mix your own, then regardless of how well you put the paint on the canvas, you're still revealing yourself to be pretty unaccomplished as an artist.

i agree

  chenGOD said:

Don't be sampling records then. Those are premade sounds.

those are pre-recorded sounds, but not necessarily pre-made sounds. there's a process involved in taking an individual sound from a recording and converting it into a sample for use in a track. when i say pre-made, i mean ready to use out of the box, basically.

so what if I download a wav pack, with hours and hours of loops/breaks, trawl through all of them, find the one. the exact one I've been looking for, EQ it just right, maybe chop it up a little even...

you still think that's any different from grabbing a break off a record?

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to promote discussion that's all, your post a couple above this one was really well worded.

(i generally program my own drums, when I can be assed to finish a track)

  chenGOD said:

so what if I download a wav pack, with hours and hours of loops/breaks, trawl through all of them, find the one. the exact one I've been looking for, EQ it just right, maybe chop it up a little even...

you still think that's any different from grabbing a break off a record?

 

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to promote discussion that's all, your post a couple above this one was really well worded.

 

 

(i generally program my own drums, when I can be assed to finish a track)

eh, there are upsides and downsides to loop/break packs. on one hand, they promote stagnation in a way, encouraging people to keep reusing the same breaks over and over, but on the other hand (as i mentioned in my last post), this is referential music in a lot of ways and some of those breaks have become traditions in the music...institutions, some might even say. the amen break, think, funky drummer, apache, etc. you don't use those breaks to be original, you use them to fit your music into a certain tradition (jungle, drum n' bass, breakbeat, whatever) or because they're tried and true ways of evoking a certain feeling or sound in a track. but i also think that if you want to set yourself apart in some way, it's probably not the best idea to use the same samples everybody else is using, taken from the same source recording. i know that not everybody can have an original winstons 45" passed down from their parents collection like myself (yea, i'm boasting a little ), but i know that having that source as part of my own collection gives me an advantage over someone who just downloads a wav of the amen break because if i'm getting sick of the characteristic of my amen samples, i can always bust out the record and resample it in a slightly different way to suit my purposes.

it may seem like semantics, but i feel like if you're downloading a full break that someone has ripped and uploaded somewhere, that's somehow not as bad as if someone's already chopped that same break up into individual taps and you download that. maybe i'm a formalist or something, but to me chopping up a break is a part of the process of making this music. it's something personal and everyone isn't going to do it the same. sometimes whether or not you left that little hi-hat hit at the end of your snare sample is what makes or breaks the rhythm of your track, you know? personally, i always like to have to option of controlling things like that, so i'll always be in favor of doing that instead of downloading pre-packaged stuff.