How can I write a track that captures all three of these feelings?

1. Going up or down stairs, you think there's another, but there isn't.

2. That thing where you press down on one hand with the other for 30 seconds or so and then it seems to float up. Particularly, I'd like this to happen, er... rhythmically?

3. Slipping on ice, almost falling over, but catching yourself in the nick of time.

lol are you serious? I think this kind of shit has a lot to do with volume envelopes. like if you have a block of white noise at even volume that cuts off at the same time a kick is triggered there's more of a feeling of holding and releasing pressure than if you just have the kick. experiment with blocks of noise before/after or ending/starting at the beginning of other sounds. also pauses and long attacks. what you are asking also makes me think of exponential rather than linear rhythmic patterns and of maybe getting some shepherd tones in there too... work without the grid, both rhythm and the piano roll.

um also the end of perlence range3 where they keep triggering and then cutting off the descending melody.

now tell me how to express, harmonically, the feeling where you cross two fingers and put your nose between the tips and feel like you have two noses.

  spraaaa said:

lol are you serious? I think this kind of shit has a lot to do with volume envelopes. like if you have a block of white noise at even volume that cuts off at the same time a kick is triggered there's more of a feeling of holding and releasing pressure than if you just have the kick. experiment with blocks of noise before/after or ending/starting at the beginning of other sounds. also pauses and long attacks. what you are asking also makes me think of exponential rather than linear rhythmic patterns and of maybe getting some shepherd tones in there too... work without the grid, both rhythm and the piano roll.

 

um also the end of perlence range3 where they keep triggering and then cutting off the descending melody.

the noise/kick thing is a nice idea, thxu. the second one is more about... i dunno, you ever had a really high fever and gotten into a thought loop? thoughts have a certain momentum, sometimes. think of a point going around in a clockwise circle. close your eyes and visualize it going around, clockwise, for a while. then suddenly try to reverse it!! i find if i get into it deeply enough, it's quite jarring to try and reverse it... hard even. it's one of those things i'd do when i can't do much else, like during meetings etc. 'cept then i got to do it without closing my eyes.

anyways, tangent aside, i want my groove to be like that point going around. you just kind of get lockstepped into it and can't stop thinking of it, after you stop the track it keeps going around in your head a moment...

  spraaaa said:

now tell me how to express, harmonically, the feeling where you cross two fingers and put your nose between the tips and feel like you have two noses.

i tried hard, my right index finger hurts now, but i couldn't figure out what you meant. i need more specific directions, please!!

sh101 pulsewidth sub bass ,maybe you want to mix in the other pulse with the pulsewidth modulated by lfo, mix the sliders to your satisfaction during the track

juno alpha does some spiffy layered oscillators with the filter pulled down to 3000 or 4000 Hz for a nice pad sound, chuck on a spring reverb or plate reverb or if you only have digiverb use that but do bandpass filter 100Hz to 3000Hz or 4000Hz. basically a lush pad sound.

get some 808 or electro bass snare and some haha haha hihats going on the mpc

get in reaktor use oscillator > random and use some adsrs and pitch changes and filtering to make some fuck up percussion and chuck it on the mpc

do some arranging and melody making etc and woosh us up a choon magoon from the mind mageen??????? :confused:

wait wat.

  hahathhat said:

you ever had a really high fever and gotten into a thought loop? thoughts have a certain momentum, sometimes. think of a point going around in a clockwise circle. close your eyes and visualize it going around, clockwise, for a while. then suddenly try to reverse it!!

yeah I have kinda had this feeling. when I was really young I would sometimes imagine something, and I would want it to go a certain way in my imagination, but visualize something else, and keep going back and trying to visualize it "right." (is it bad if this happened without a fever?) that's why I mentioned the end of the versions mix of perlence, it sounds just like that, like oh shit this melody started, cut it off, and then it keeps coming back.

also, this:

http://mindbluff.com/nose.htm

but it's more comfortable with middle and ring finger, centered on the nose

  spraaaa said:

  hahathhat said:

you ever had a really high fever and gotten into a thought loop? thoughts have a certain momentum, sometimes. think of a point going around in a clockwise circle. close your eyes and visualize it going around, clockwise, for a while. then suddenly try to reverse it!!

 

yeah I have kinda had this feeling. when I was really young I would sometimes imagine something, and I would want it to go a certain way in my imagination, but visualize something else, and keep going back and trying to visualize it "right." (is it bad if this happened without a fever?) that's why I mentioned the end of the versions mix of perlence, it sounds just like that, like oh shit this melody started, cut it off, and then it keeps coming back.

i have it all the time, the fever moments are just amongst the strongest. fevers and shrooms...

in school as a lad, i'd draw one of those 3D wireframe cubes

and flip it back and forth in my head. it felt kind of like an exercise, almost... mental gymnastics of some bizarre sort that i couldn't fathom in the least, but was quite amused with.

  spraaaa said:

also, this:

http://mindbluff.com/nose.htm

but it's more comfortable with middle and ring finger, centered on the nose

thanks!

u have a 606??? get some electro beats going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am amused :)

here is an 80s action jam for you chunky:

enjoyed

i have it on minidisc

i'll rip it when my fireface is fixed :(

might cave and use a shittier interface it's not like it's a pristine recording

  hahathhat said:

in school as a lad, i'd draw one of those 3D wireframe cubes

 

 

and flip it back and forth in my head. it felt kind of like an exercise, almost... mental gymnastics of some bizarre sort that i couldn't fathom in the least, but was quite amused with.

I did this when I was bored.

When you said staircase the first things that came to mind were Shepard tones and Risset scales. Check em out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone

vacuum garden

  Wall Bird said:

When you said staircase the first things that came to mind were Shepard tones and Risset scales. Check em out:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone

:omg: ill

This is the best thread ever... or at least the best idea for a thread ever.

i think "my fucking sound" by squarepusher does all of this

  Wall Bird said:

When you said staircase the first things that came to mind were Shepard tones and Risset scales. Check em out:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone

If you want to hear a shepherd tone put to good use in an electronic music track, listen to the Sky is Pink by Nathan Fake.

And hahathhat, have you thought about... erm... a long envelope...

as far as the hand lifting thing goes. I think you can accomplish this by painting a picture that isn't there. You need some kind of seemingly random sequence of sound, then put it into a context where it makes sense, and then take it back out of context. When it is taken back out of context (perhaps with a slow fade) the mind will try to compensate by adding the parts in, after it is faded out, it will seem to make sense and still be there, but it is really just nonsense again.

This second post is for the slipping on ice effect. Basically, you need a sweeping noise source, that builds up very loudly but is cut off abruptly, sooner than anticipated, and in a quiet way. The feel of the music after this needs to be "soft" or "neutral".

I think, in addition to shepard scales, you could also achieve the staircase effect by using the "fold4 wrap5" technique(looped tempo envelopes from current tempo down to half tempo, or the other way around if you want the upstairs effect).

I get the "Going up or down stairs, you think there's another, but there isn't." sensation from Iera all the time.

  hahathhat said:

1. Going up or down stairs, you think there's another, but there isn't.

2. That thing where you press down on one hand with the other for 30 seconds or so and then it seems to float up. Particularly, I'd like this to happen, er... rhythmically?

3. Slipping on ice, almost falling over, but catching yourself in the nick of time.

My hypothetical answer to your question is to

Write a rhythmic phrase or drum pattern using ALLMOST too crazy sounds(#3), repeat it a few times and then exactly at a point,probably towards the end of the repeated phrase, REST on the catchy hook part that would be repeated right there (#2). And then whenever you might repeat that whole section later in the song... Don't rest at the end of that section(#1).

Make sense?

I would have lifted the beat from Julie & Candy and gone from there.