Recommend me Philosophy

Take the red pill.

erase and rewind

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

now that you mention it...feminist philosophy...where should I starT? I heard some of Wollstonecraft's writings are good.

here's a question a never expected here on watmm but I'm glad it's here. marilyn frye's politics of reality, andrea dworkin's letters from a war zone (despite her appeal to a state solution), gloria anzaldúa's borderlands/ la frontera; a familarity with psychoanalysis is helpful for a number of feminist texts; there's quite a lot here actually depending on what feminisms you're interested in and how you want to get there

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

ive also read Maimonides and Lao Tzu among other Hindu texts, you dumb cunt.

I missed that part.

More epic fail coming from the dumbass white boy. "Lao Tzu" lol.

i hate you yegg.

Yeah, yegg is a cunt.

If you're interested in feminism I would recommend continental shit. Fuck psychoanalysis.

Butler, Oliver, Kristeva, Alcoff, de Beauvior, etc.

"Witnessing: Beyond Recognition" by Oliver, "Visible Identities" by Alcoff, and basically all of Judith Butler's shit.

will check tthose recs panoptimist....im not a fan of the psychoanalysis.

and yes Chen, i meant what you said obviously....Moses isnt a very Hindu name lol.

also, ive been reading some W.E.B. DuBois, and while I wouldnt classify it as traditional philosophy persay, I would be interested in reading some more rastafari/ethiopian ideas....now im afraid im going outside the realm of what is considered philosophy, but I seem to lump alot of it together.

honestly for right now in this moment, Id like to continue reading Aquinas and the medieval philosophers.

Phbbt, you guys WOULD think that, nevermind all the unprovoked shit SR4 dishes out to me.

  Panoptimist said:

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

ive also read Maimonides and Lao Tzu among other Hindu texts, you dumb cunt.

 

anyway, thanks for the suggestions.

 

i dont have any particular aim, i just genuinely enjoy reading any philosophical texts...philosophy for me on a personal level is like lifting weights with my brain...good mental exercise....like I said, I dont claim to be that good at explaining or shit, even understanding it.

 

 

Sounds like it would be a very confusing approach, but to each his own.

 

I mean, if you're looking for "mental exercise," why not just do crossword puzzles and sudoku?

Actually, I think this is a fine way to approach philosophy. It's important to pace yourself, lest you come down with a case of "academic indigestion." Once contracted, it ofen rapidly becomes a chronic, lifelong affliction. Early warning signs include dropping terms like "weltanshauung" and "deontology" into everyday speech. In full-blown cases, patients may actually suffer delusions that they have been able to assimilate, and offer a meaningful critique upon, the entire history of human consciousness.

While there is no known cure, one way to minimize the chance of infection is to keep all philosophical texts in the philosophically neutral zone known as "above the toilet", where they can only be accessed during the body's natural time for processing deep thoughts.

  Atop said:

Here is a good philosophy:

 

Get the most out of life by finding out what you love most (assuming you feel emotions) in life and study that or live that or do that until you die........

 

93/93

love is the law, love under will ;)

Don't want to be obsessed, but

Benard Sapoval - Universality and fractals.

provides a good overview on the matter without being overcomplicated.

Fractals are a recent dicovery, and i think they might offer a useful tool for philosophy, as they resolve, just for instance, the god matter :angry:

IMO, poetry also carry a lot of philosophy and sharp insights about the world, society and other interesting stuffs like pets or housecleaning. Just read Rimbaud

  Panoptimist said:

  grue said:

  Panoptimist said:

  Yegg said:

  lumpenprol said:

  Yegg said:

Lol, typical white boy fail (for the most part)

 

ok, mrs. painting is dead.

 

It's just pathetic whenever the "erudite" only know and reach for the texts of white males who are most likely dead, imho.

 

 

Nice post, panoptimist. =]

 

Butler, Oliver, Alcoff, Fanon, de Beauvior, etc.

 

 

Personally I feel analytic philosophy perpetuates this.

 

Not surprisingly, you don't know much about analytic philosophy. Of all the philosophy departments I'm familiar with (which is many), the one with the greatest gender balance amongst, for instance, its grad students (essentially 50/50) is completely analytic (it is considered one of the top analytic departments in the world). It also has amongst its faculty some of the most well-known contemporary feminist philosophers (Rae Langton and Sally Haslanger), who work on both feminist philosophy and traditional issues in core analytic philosophy, teach graduate level seminars on feminism, etc. Feminism notwithstanding, many analytic philosophers who have been highly influential in their fields are not old, white males (Sharon Street, L.A. Paul, Agustin Rayo, Ruth Marcus, Judy Thomson, Philippa Foot, Christine Korsgaard, Nishi Shah, etc.). There is, of course, still a lot of gender inequity, and non-Caucasians are still in the minority in the field, but that is true of almost every academic discipline.

 

Anyway, it's a bit silly arguing about this with someone who is such a fan of Sartre, who has lots of interesting things to say about women in his discussions of slime and holes.

 

How's the view from up there?

 

 

I'm interested...Tell me more. Point me in some direction. What are the implications of being an analytic feminist? One of my most influential mentors in the field of philosophy is a feminist professor who focuses on continental philosophy. I'm interested in what she has to say on this matter.

 

 

You'd probably enjoy a thesis I wrote last semester on responsibility in terms of Sartre. I actually wrote some on this meaning and the implications of Oliver's critiques of Sartre's conception of subject-object relationships on Sartre's philosophy, and vice versa. It's because of a feminist woman that I was introduced to Sartre...you're perpetuating the same stereotype you're knocking in the previous post you made by making ad hominem attacks against me because of my interest in Sartre's existentialism.

Sorry about the ad hominem; really I was just (poorly) expressing my frustration at common misconceptions concerning analytic philosophy.

If you are interested in analytic feminism, one place to start would be with Rae Langton's new book 'Sexual Solipsism.' You should be able to find refs. from there.

I might be interested in your thesis, but to tell you the truth I already have my hands full with teaching and research, so I doubt I would have time to read it. As far as Sartre goes, most of the feminists I know don't think very highly of him (as another example, look at how he portrays women in his examples of bad faith), but, of course, there may well be more charitable interpretations of his work that feminists discuss.

So whats the dillio here?

  lumpenprol said:

  Panoptimist said:

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

ive also read Maimonides and Lao Tzu among other Hindu texts, you dumb cunt.

 

anyway, thanks for the suggestions.

 

i dont have any particular aim, i just genuinely enjoy reading any philosophical texts...philosophy for me on a personal level is like lifting weights with my brain...good mental exercise....like I said, I dont claim to be that good at explaining or shit, even understanding it.

 

 

Sounds like it would be a very confusing approach, but to each his own.

 

I mean, if you're looking for "mental exercise," why not just do crossword puzzles and sudoku?

 

Actually, I think this is a fine way to approach philosophy. It's important to pace yourself, lest you come down with a case of "academic indigestion." Once contracted, it ofen rapidly becomes a chronic, lifelong affliction. Early warning signs include dropping terms like "weltanshauung" and "deontology" into everyday speech. In full-blown cases, patients may actually suffer delusions that they have been able to assimilate, and offer a meaningful critique upon, the entire history of human consciousness.

 

While there is no known cure, one way to minimize the chance of infection is to keep all philosophical texts in the philosophically neutral zone known as "above the toilet", where they can only be accessed during the body's natural time for processing deep thoughts.

  grue said:

  Panoptimist said:

  grue said:

  Panoptimist said:

  Yegg said:

  lumpenprol said:

  Yegg said:

Lol, typical white boy fail (for the most part)

 

ok, mrs. painting is dead.

 

It's just pathetic whenever the "erudite" only know and reach for the texts of white males who are most likely dead, imho.

 

 

Nice post, panoptimist. =]

 

Butler, Oliver, Alcoff, Fanon, de Beauvior, etc.

 

 

Personally I feel analytic philosophy perpetuates this.

 

Not surprisingly, you don't know much about analytic philosophy. Of all the philosophy departments I'm familiar with (which is many), the one with the greatest gender balance amongst, for instance, its grad students (essentially 50/50) is completely analytic (it is considered one of the top analytic departments in the world). It also has amongst its faculty some of the most well-known contemporary feminist philosophers (Rae Langton and Sally Haslanger), who work on both feminist philosophy and traditional issues in core analytic philosophy, teach graduate level seminars on feminism, etc. Feminism notwithstanding, many analytic philosophers who have been highly influential in their fields are not old, white males (Sharon Street, L.A. Paul, Agustin Rayo, Ruth Marcus, Judy Thomson, Philippa Foot, Christine Korsgaard, Nishi Shah, etc.). There is, of course, still a lot of gender inequity, and non-Caucasians are still in the minority in the field, but that is true of almost every academic discipline.

 

Anyway, it's a bit silly arguing about this with someone who is such a fan of Sartre, who has lots of interesting things to say about women in his discussions of slime and holes.

 

How's the view from up there?

 

 

I'm interested...Tell me more. Point me in some direction. What are the implications of being an analytic feminist? One of my most influential mentors in the field of philosophy is a feminist professor who focuses on continental philosophy. I'm interested in what she has to say on this matter.

 

 

You'd probably enjoy a thesis I wrote last semester on responsibility in terms of Sartre. I actually wrote some on this meaning and the implications of Oliver's critiques of Sartre's conception of subject-object relationships on Sartre's philosophy, and vice versa. It's because of a feminist woman that I was introduced to Sartre...you're perpetuating the same stereotype you're knocking in the previous post you made by making ad hominem attacks against me because of my interest in Sartre's existentialism.

 

Sorry about the ad hominem; really I was just (poorly) expressing my frustration at common misconceptions concerning analytic philosophy.

 

If you are interested in analytic feminism, one place to start would be with Rae Langton's new book 'Sexual Solipsism.' You should be able to find refs. from there.

 

I might be interested in your thesis, but to tell you the truth I already have my hands full with teaching and research, so I doubt I would have time to read it. As far as Sartre goes, most of the feminists I know don't think very highly of him (as another example, look at how he portrays women in his examples of bad faith), but, of course, there may well be more charitable interpretations of his work that feminists discuss.

 

I intended the reference to my thesis to be more of an allusion to my interaction with Sartrean texts and the feminist philosophies that critique it.

However, you are correct in what you say about Sartre in relation to feminism. I still have not read Sartre to the point where I feel that I'm in a position to make judgments like that, but it's been my experience that many female professors I mention Sartre to don't know anything about him beyond his tendencies to treat Simone like shit and make negative references towards women, etc...but I still think there is much to be said for his concept of love and emotions in general...

I still think that feminism in general owes a lot to Sartre's philosophy in terms of providing a foundation, or at the very least a context, for feminist discourse and criticism. I'm still learning though.

Deepak Chopra

Eckhart Tolle

The Little Prince - Antoine De Saint Exupery

La Nausée - Jean Paul Sartre

Notes from Underground - Fyodor Dostoevsky

(more of a novel though)

i know ill probably be seen as a philistine by saying this, but i think robert anton wilson is an amazing philosopher

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

also, ive been reading some W.E.B. DuBois, and while I wouldnt classify it as traditional philosophy persay, I would be interested in reading some more rastafari/ethiopian ideas....

Rastafarianism is the greatest religion ever. Simply for the reason that when you call out a trustifarian on it, they will look like complete tits.

would you take masturbation this seriously?

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

recommend me anything you think i would enjoy/essential to understanding the development of philosophy.

anything non western and anything that doesnt fit into the paradigm of a college philosophy course

read zero of this thread but too often people who are 'well versed' in philosophy usually only stick to certain authors that are specifically in the acamdeic genre of 'philosophy'

  Awepittance said:

  Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

recommend me anything you think i would enjoy/essential to understanding the development of philosophy.

 

anything non western and anything that doesnt fit into the paradigm of a college philosophy course

 

read zero of this thread but too often people who are 'well versed' in philosophy usually only stick to certain authors that are specifically in the acamdeic genre of 'philosophy'

DO NOT listen to this retard.

i think he made a good point. while of course you can learn a ton from college classes, theres also more out there beyond the classroom. its possible to be "too academic"

but he said it in a way that reeks of anti-elitism elitism, ironically enough.

if i ask about philosophy, i naturally expect the big names, and a few i havent heard of...i think thats the whole point.

Philosophy makes you crazy.