we are headed for a quantum shift in music control and composition very soon

  hahathhat said:

there's a difference between "done" and "conceptualized." i'd say penison used one when he meant the other

well even the latter is not true, Stockhausen may have thought of a lot of his ideas on his own but quite a few of the one's he's widely credited for were conceptualized by someone else before him like George Anthiel, and Edgard Varese.

(tries not to sidetrack discussion anymore)

IT'S ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE YOU CAN'T DO YOUR MASTERPIECE WITHOUT STOCKHAUSEN HAVING SPIT IT OVER THE SIDE OF HIS CRADLE AT 12MONTHS

i still haven't bothered pirating any of that old fart's trax myself. seriously.