Suits vs Hippies

So about 5 /6 years ago when I was at university in London me and my friends used to go to all the protests, against the war against Iraq, against that bastard tony blair. We stood shoulder to shoulder with all the self proclaimed activists, John Pilger lovers and 'No Logo -naomi klein ' readers, calling the police bastards when they reported only 10,000 people had turned up to a protest whereas we all knew it was 100,000. We used to go to debates and write letters and send emails, wear badges and continue to be digusted at fat cats businessmen and politicians, who all seemed to be playing some sort of demented game on a grand scale.

Then I finished uni and started working for a bank in london. Now I'm on the other side of the fence. Its the G20 protests this week, and we have all been told to not wear suits / not carry breifcases in case we get attacked my anarchists and protesters. It dawned on me that now I'm the fucking suit! this kind of depressed me. Now I could be targeted, as I had made the transition from logo-smashing stoner to corporate whore.

I still standby going to the 'no war in iraq' protests, but the whole rest of it, mindless anarchism, 'down with the man' mentality and acceptance of any information independant news outlets are giving you simply because they claim to have no corporate links or hidden agenda strikes me more and more as stupid. Then again, its true that the top bankers and gordon brown have a lot to answer for...

So is anyone coming down to protest / wants to vent their anger from either side of the fence? would be interesting to hear your opinions. and ill be the one wearing an old che t-shirt on wednesday to avoid being attacked.

I will find you and egg you.

Banker scum.

Its nothing personal.

so you went from stupid to stupid with money

i think everyone should protest in suits and formal dress as know one gives a shit about police kicking some scrffy young crusty out of a tree but look smart and important instead and it may have more and effect.

Or fuck the police and use a home made flame thrower!!!! :angry:

edit: i don't even know what i meant by that post

edit2: would you really be targeted by anarchists and protesters? if you're protesting with them??

The thing is, most bankers get in to work for 5-6am. Thats when most of the protesters will be ripping their last bong before bed.

  soundwave said:

i think everyone should protest in suits and formal dress as know one gives a shit about police kicking some scrffy young crusty out of a tree but look smart and important instead and it may have more and effect.

 

 

 

Or fuck the police and use a home made flame thrower!!!! :angry:

 

chenGOD, translate the ching-chongese in this video, if you please

Makes me think of lawyers in Pakistan.

  soundwave said:

i think everyone should protest in suits and formal dress as know one gives a shit about police kicking some scrffy young crusty out of a tree but look smart and important instead and it may have more and effect.

 

 

 

Or fuck the police and use a home made flame thrower!!!! :angry:

 

that was badass, they had samurai swords and everything. the police were a joke, not holding their line, getting all messy, even throwing chairs and stones. was it me or did it seem like at the end they called a truce? like they acknowledged they fought well and it was just the ring-leaders who agreed to go into the van?

shit, if this was any other country they'd be bullets and proper skull-cracking going on... seemed there was some mutual respect going on there.

was this it?

http://www.ipsnewsasia.net/bridgesfromasia/node/38

"The acquittals by a U.S. military court in South Korea of two U.S. soldiers, charged with negligent homicide in the deaths of two Korean schoolgirls, has sparked a wave of indignation against the United States and its 37,000 troops on the peninsula."

that would explain it.

Those Koreans, always resolving their grievances diplomatically

I can't be bothered to read this thread. I have a lot of sympathy with the left, but I know a bunch of the worst ignorant rich-kid hippies and they really really upset me and make me resent their entire cause.

"I still standby going to the 'no war in iraq' protests, but the whole rest of it, mindless anarchism, 'down with the man' mentality and acceptance of any information independant news outlets are giving you simply because they claim to have no corporate links or hidden agenda strikes me more and more as stupid. Then again, its true that the top bankers and gordon brown have a lot to answer for..."

This basically

Drunk, last post

This isnt just about hippies, its anyone. How dare u stereotype protesters.

  David R James said:

This isnt just about hippies, its anyone. How dare u stereotype protesters.

the image left in my mind of protesters, or at least the most 'active' ones are middle class kids who want to fuck the system.

same generalisation made by the protestors towards bankers : all of them are fat cat, corrupt scum.

for the record I am not actually a banker. I work in technology for a bank. the thing is 80% of the people working in a bank are usually are normal hard working folk, and only a select top 10% fucked it up for everyone. same as any corporation to be honest.

  grinningcat said:

  David R James said:

This isnt just about hippies, its anyone. How dare u stereotype protesters.

 

the image left in my mind of protesters, or at least the most 'active' ones are middle class kids who want to fuck the system.

 

same generalisation made by the protestors towards bankers : all of them are fat cat, corrupt scum.

so you weren't a middle class kid when you were a protesting student at university in London?

The way I look at it, the larger the demonstration, the better.

I went on Saturday might go tomorrow. I'm not a radical socialist or an anarchist or a communist or a eco-warrior, I just know there's something incredibly fucked up about the way things work at the moment, and want to let people know that it isn't just being accepted and ignored. I don't think I've figured out a solution but I know theres a million things better than what we're doing now.

It's like there's this assumption that we've figured out how society and politics and economics work and the way we operate now is the peak of social evolution. The fact is what we have now is fucked up, assumptions held in economics are falling apart, our society is divided and unjust and politics has become stuck in homogeneity mixed with costant petty squabbles and shortcomings. I have no respect for our law because quite frankly, there's ever increasing elements of it that are indefensible.

We're being taught to not care about it, even at uni some of the economics I'm being taught is almost laughable given how wrong it's been proved.

Our male dominated brand of politics has been proved wrong so many times it amazes me it's still accepted, we assume that because more men get to the top of politics, this is the way it ought to be. It's not like we have any real say on whats going on, our votes don't count for anything and tacit consent just doesn't work as justification for any kind of a social contract.

Maybe we need to stop maximising a bizzare monetary based form of utility, and start thinking about what is really important. No one should starve. We shouldn't destroy the planet. Success and reward shouldn't be based on the ability to make money, is it right that our tax lawyers get paid more than our scientists?

Is anything I'm saying irrational? It seems very simple to me all of a sudden in the last few months.

Anyway whatever the agenda I think anyone who's willing to get out there and try and have there voice heard is worthy of congratulations. feel stupid writing something serious on watmm

This came up on another forum I frequent, and then me and some guy talked about the U.S. being responsible for the current recession. I am from the U.S. and he was from the U.K. and we agreed that both were about equally responsible, but then some U.K. guy who worked in corporate credit came in and said that the U.S. was in fact responsible. I was sad to be a yank that day.

  tauboo said:

  grinningcat said:

  David R James said:

This isnt just about hippies, its anyone. How dare u stereotype protesters.

 

the image left in my mind of protesters, or at least the most 'active' ones are middle class kids who want to fuck the system.

 

same generalisation made by the protestors towards bankers : all of them are fat cat, corrupt scum.

so you weren't a middle class kid when you were a protesting student at university in London?

why should class matter so much to everyone? sure, you can argue that it's privileged kids taking a 'fuck you i won't tidy my room' attitude into early adulthood but if a earnest belief in principles of equality etc etc are the impetus then that sort of argument comes across as a cheap smear. most of the current generation of 'middle classes', you go back a generation or two and you're just as 'working class' as the next coalminer or whatever. there are a lot of tits playing working class hero but an even greater feeling of genuine discontent amoung people of every social strata that transcends the stereotype of trustafarians being self-righteous. we are so obssessed with class that the idea of somone caring for people outside of their bubble of afluence becomes something to scoff at, and consequently is used by the daily mail and their ilk.

basically, we come down to the windowlicker/come to daddy dilemma. if someone has developed a concise or deep appreciation of RDJ's music, do we look down at them because they got into it after seeing those tracks on mtv?

  idrn said:

basically, we come down to the windowlicker/come to daddy dilemma. if someone has developed a concise or deep appreciation of RDJ's music, do we look down at them because they got into it after seeing those tracks on mtv?

thats beautiful

i don't know how much that was directed at me, or if i just got caught between it. i agree with what you're saying y0

  tauboo said:

i don't know how much that was directed at me, or if i just got caught between it. i agree with what you're saying y0

very little if any, mang

idmron is the voice of the generation!