Guest Bramsworth Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 After finally setting up my Matrix 6 and checking most of the 1000 presets for the Matrix 1000, I'm a bit confused. So far I've identified this one preset called Rain..something that most definitely was used for the piano sound in On. But as far as SAW2 goes though, I can't really find any presets though that sound like they were used. I've seen it mentioned numerous times here and other boards and I think it's about time someone just solve it once and for all: which sounds on the Matrix 1000 were used on SAW2? I was told not too long ago by analogue wings that a lot of the Strings presets sound like it. Well, I'll just ask here, which ones in particular? It's bugging me to death here, if he really used this thing then someone must have some specific patches he used. I didn't buy this synth specifically just to have patches that Rich used and then play his songs like a dufus, but since I have this thing I'd like to know what I've got here now :p I was thinking all this time I'd find for example that calming almost organ-like sound from Cliffs was on it, or even the incredible Stone in Focus pad. That is assuming he only used this synth for all pads anyway(which was my assumption..). While I'm at it, is there a specific name also for that atmospheric sound at the beginning of Tha and Blue Calx? Assuming that's also from the Matrix 1000 I'd love to know if that's available somewhere. Really nice sound :) Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaksta303 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 It was always my understanding that Richard wasn't one for using presets, so you not being able to find any makes sense... Concentrate on making your own, original sounds, friend. It is rewarding... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide sneaksta303's signature Hide all signatures The Dark Tower Cycle Pplz ep The Swarm H.P. Sneakstep's Educational Tours Vol. 1 Branch Acidian - Acid's Done Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 saw2 was done mostly with a certain yamaha synth that could do microtonal tuning. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramsworth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 the CS-5? I've seen the Matrix 1000 mentioned enough that I thought it must be true. Someone must have proof somewhere :p Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 saw II was made entirely with tape saturation presets Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 most of saw ii is monophonic leads, so i doubt the matrix is the main synth. those big smeary washed out pads with slow attacks could easily be matrix, but i mean the whole notion that that synth was used is based on one unsubstantiated internet claim also, the main "instrument" on saw ii, to my ears, is the delay/reverb processor. it would seem to be an 80s 12 bit model with a really thick, almost analogue sound. i'd say any synth run though that would sound like saw ii shit i can crank up my analogue delay to 600ms and put a fucking casiotone through it and it will sound like saw ii Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) lots of people do that and it don't sound like SAW 2 though. I think the SAW albums have a very 80's lexicon style reverb sound. That grainy washed out sound. Edited June 27, 2009 by marf Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diao Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Its all about the analog delays and Quadraverb. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my usernames always really suck Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I want to know what he used for the woodwind sounds in Rhubarb, goddamn Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 i've tried to get watmm to explain this album to me from many different angles, but it always fails. i realized i'd have to just figure it out for myself. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 hahathhat said: saw II was made entirely with tape saturation presets close I think parts of it were also made by recording to tape at high speed and playing it back slowly Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Berk's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1074945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Nope, It was a certain synth. Not a monophonic one. Rhubarb and other pad tracks are straight up PRESETS on this synth Edited June 27, 2009 by marf Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeez Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Rhubarb sounds like processed mellotron flutes Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramsworth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 marf said: Nope, It was a certain synth. Not a monophonic one. Rhubarb and other pad tracks are straight up PRESETS on this synth It sounds like you know but are keeping it a secret which synth. tell us already! :p Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I don't know. Im just kidding Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepex Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 marf said: Nope, It was a certain synth. Not a monophonic one. Rhubarb and other pad tracks are straight up PRESETS on this synth I'm calling bullshit Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures On 4/11/2010 at 6:25 AM, 'Rambo' said: I enjoy the fragility of the rolling lol tbh. The broken lol is like our own mortality staring us in the face, reminding us to enjoy that sunset. d v dp ck: s n d c l d | b n d c m p | f c b k | t m b l r | t w t t r | l s t . f m Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramsworth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Microtuning and being from Yamaha, I was thinking either the DX7s/II or an SY77/99(I think those had microtuning). I guess there never will be a true answer for this one. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 marf said: Nope, It was a certain synth. Not a monophonic one. Rhubarb and other pad tracks are straight up PRESETS on this synth theres something sampley about those flutes. analogue cant quite do it. i'm wondering if its D50 or something through an analogue lpf Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest narkeworld Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Diao said: Its all about the analog delays and Quadraverb. yeah......the Quadraverb, powdery reverb, huge. I had two they're great. He had a DX 100 as well, plus the synthesis stuff on a FZ-1 (he had one I'm pretty sure) is fun. Edited June 28, 2009 by narkeworld Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissflaps Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Some, straight up presets, ran through other hardware effects (combination of delay/reverb, very subtle). The "tape" thing, was not intended by Richard, is just a side effect of making music in that era. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WWBJD Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 V/Oct CV controlling pitch on multiple Korg MS-20's (normally Hz/V) Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noise Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 WWBJD said: V/Oct CV controlling pitch on multiple Korg MS-20's (normally Hz/V) yeah, this is a really good technique for getting that growing detune as notes rise/fall... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide noise's signature Hide all signatures meanwhile - the local maternity ward - nurse comes in with a great big sledgehammer Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1075621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 noise said: WWBJD said: V/Oct CV controlling pitch on multiple Korg MS-20's (normally Hz/V) yeah, this is a really good technique for getting that growing detune as notes rise/fall... usual reaction would be, "man, i wish i didn't have to use a converter for it to speak w/ my roland shit" instead of HAY COOL. file this under "you know you're [braindance|idm] when..." Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1076122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramsworth Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) On 7/5/2009 at 7:11 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said: How do you know that? Indeed. If people are going to just say "presets", they can just as easily state which synth and which presets if that's really the case, unless they;re just pretending to know and pulling this out of their ass. How many times do I see this when it comes to questioning people gear? :/ The general "sound" of the album(that is, the effects and such) is something I think is fair to take a stab at the dark at guessing with, but as far as statements like "it's presets" and all that crap, I don't how anyone even dares say that stuff without any proof at all. Unless they're just messing with us :x Edited July 5, 2009 by Bramsworth Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1080277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 On 7/5/2009 at 8:26 AM, Bramsworth said: Indeed. If people are going to just say "presets", they can just as easily state which synth and which presets if that's really the case, unless they;re just pretending to know and pulling this out of their ass. How many times do I see this when it comes to questioning people gear? :/ The general "sound" of the album(that is, the effects and such) is something I think is fair to take a stab at the dark at guessing with, but as far as statements like "it's presets" and all that crap, I don't how anyone even dares say that stuff without any proof at all. Unless they're just messing with us :x Casio SK-1 presets Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46869-saw2s-sound/#findComment-1080376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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