Analord at Bleep

Ok question for the masses - will Bleep ever release all the Analord series as downloads for us cnuts without record players or whatever you call those round things that go round and round..

Yes I have DJ VLRs Analord mix tape side A+B!

Thx

Depends if Rephlex ever gives up their idea of having for-pay downloads themselves and finally succumb to the desires of their fans and put their catalogue on Bleep...

it will never happen, chosen lords is the compromise

I dont think that the analords will because thats not how they were ever intened. The cd was a comprimise, but that still wasnt going to pawn all the best tracks either. But other release will be but only via the channels of an exclusive rephlex store.

i cant believe I'm SElf Employed wasn't on Chosen Lords....

  On 7/27/2009 at 9:56 PM, boris said:

i cant believe I'm SElf Employed wasn't on Chosen Lords....

This is the point. we know that it was important that the music was to be kept within an analogue medium. If all BEST tracks were put on to CLords then no one would of bought the vinyl which is what the music was made for. But I wouldnt go as far as saying it was a cash grabbing decision, because its all about the music.

Ok so it's all about the medium not about the cash, that would make sense with Rephlex. But I'm still hoping they will release all the Analord series one day..

Chosen Lords is amazing and knowing that this is just a small snip of the series sucks. Has anyone ripped them all to MP3 or whatever?

there are flac rips on teh interwebz...

Frankly it annoys me when I hear "it wasn't meant for that format", etc. While I can appreciate a concept or an artist's intention to present his or her work in the format they intended it to be consumed in, I can't help but think by limiting it's exposure by the format it's presented in, you're doing the work itself an injustice...

  On 7/27/2009 at 11:37 PM, Joyrex said:

Frankly it annoys me when I hear "it wasn't meant for that format", etc. While I can appreciate a concept or an artist's intention to present his or her work in the format they intended it to be consumed in, I can't help but think by limiting it's exposure by the format it's presented in, you're doing the work itself an injustice...

Well the entire back cat' is being done an injustice then. But it is down to an individuals opinion. I dont feel the series was given an injustice at all, thats what makes it special. Bit like antiques, when theyre rare, theyre valuable.

Flac rips don't hold a candle, just compare them to the Chosen Lord tracks.

Anyway, my view is that if little labels like Rephlex don't release their out-of-print or LP in digital format, they will die of a slow and painful capitalist death.

The vinyl cuts of the Chosen Lords tracks are much better sounding than the brickwalled CD release. They mucked around with the tracks when mastering Chosen Lords to get them sounding louder. Equalised for perceived loudness, the vinyl is way more punchy and dynamic, and I reckon they're also cut from an 88k or 96k master

I'm not talking about loudness, I'm talking about the mastering qualities. Just compare Reunion 2, the snare hits. The FLACs are muffled.

It's not because it's vinyl that it's perfectly mastered.

In fact just go to forums like stevehoffman's and you'll see a large number of bad vinyl pressing. Imho the Analord series isn't that great compared to what can really be done with the technology. It's not bad, just not that great.

Or just compare the cymbals on Boxing day on the FLAC (the ones hit every 4 around the first minute). They are warbly and ugly on the FLAC rips. Don't tell me that's how Richard wanted them to be. They are clear on Chosen Lords

I reckon even if rephlex did release the series in digital it would be nothing less than Wav's.

Just buy a record player already?

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:59 AM, Retrig said:

Just buy a record player already?

This has crossed my mind but I have expensive taste and that £1K record player has taken a back seat in the 'current' climate.. In other words nah!

I'm confident they will be released on Bleep - as someone said probably only as FLACs.

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Distribution:-

Exclusive Rephlex/Braindance Digital Downloads coming soon!

Maybe...

  On 7/28/2009 at 12:04 PM, futureimage said:

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Distribution:-

Exclusive Rephlex/Braindance Digital Downloads coming soon!

 

Maybe...

I've been hearing that since 2002/3

I'm listening to a good quality mp3 of XMD5A right now

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:02 AM, xy_politics said:

I reckon they're also cut from an 88k or 96k master

From what I have understood, the whole process was analogue? Recorded to tape, mastered to tape and pressed on vinyl? 

I bought the lot of Analord 12"s in mint condition for 50GBP yesterday, by the way. Nice find, I look forward to playing through the actual discs.

  On 7/28/2009 at 7:07 PM, psn said:

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:02 AM, xy_politics said:

I reckon they're also cut from an 88k or 96k master

 

From what I have understood, the whole process was analogue? Recorded to tape, mastered to tape and pressed on vinyl?

 

 

I bought the lot of Analord 12"s in mint condition for 50GBP yesterday, by the way. Nice find, I look forward to playing through the actual discs.

 

 

rard teh reds

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:17 AM, Philip Glass said:

I'm not talking about loudness, I'm talking about the mastering qualities. Just compare Reunion 2, the snare hits. The FLACs are muffled.

Well, who knows what those flac files you can get off the internet were recorded with? Could have been a Nomark belt drive fitted with worn out Stanton 500s going into some ropey dj mixer. I haven't listened to anybody else's rips, I just made my own, and I found the difference easily noticeable.

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:20 AM, Philip Glass said:

In fact just go to forums like stevehoffman's and you'll see a large number of bad vinyl pressing. Imho the Analord series isn't that great compared to what can really be done with the technology. It's not bad, just not that great.

Or just compare the cymbals on Boxing day on the FLAC (the ones hit every 4 around the first minute). They are warbly and ugly on the FLAC rips. Don't tell me that's how Richard wanted them to be. They are clear on Chosen Lords

I found them clearer still on the vinyl. Not that I think that vinyl has inherently better quality than a digital source such as CD - vinyl has many noise and distortion problems getting in the way of an "accurate" recording - I just think the compressed mastering for the Chosen Lords CD has spoiled the sound in comparison to the untouched vinyl.

As for bad sounding new vinyl releases, yeah that is true. Several reasons I think, such as high-quality vinyl being difficult to source these days but most often it's because the same master has been used for cutting vinyl as for CD (which has been brickwalled to make it sound loud on radio/car audio, completely unnecessary for vinyl)

  On 7/28/2009 at 7:07 PM, psn said:

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:02 AM, xy_politics said:

I reckon they're also cut from an 88k or 96k master

From what I have understood, the whole process was analogue? Recorded to tape, mastered to tape and pressed on vinyl? 

I've never heard one way or the other myself. I guess it's quite insignificant, as we can't hear it, but there are definitely occasional bits of sound in the 25-28Khz range coming off the vinyl, mostly from drum sounds, that have been lost in the CD transfer.

Below, 2 snippets from Analord, Boxing Day and Reunion. First half, vinyl (normalised to 0db), second half CD (reduced in level to match the volume of the vinyl). Look at the waveforms, pretty clear to see what was done to the CD

boxingday.flacFetching info...

reunion.flacFetching info...

yeah, cds can sound nearly as good as vinyl, provided that they're mastered well.

  On 7/28/2009 at 2:36 AM, David R James said:

I reckon even if rephlex did release the series in digital it would be nothing less than Wav's.

But that would be the same as releasing them digitally as .flac (provided the compression software used was legit) since the .flac can be unfolded back out to the proper .wav file (and back again) if need be.

On that note, I don't understand why BLEEP are suddenly offering their back catalogue as .wav files. .flac files are the same same thing but half the size.