Does anybody else here have Psoriasis?

Cite your source rather than making vague assertions then, douche.

  On 8/19/2009 at 9:45 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 8/19/2009 at 8:47 PM, Iain C said:

I'm sorry, but if you think you're being healed by one undetectable part in a million, I recommend you read up on the placebo effect.

 

I suggest you read up on what homeopathy fully entails before making blanket statements like that.

Here we go.

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Homeopathy (also spelled Homoeopathy or Homœopathy) is a form of alternative medicine, first proposed by German physician Samuel Hahnemann in 1796, that treats patients with heavily diluted preparations which are thought to cause effects similar to the symptoms presented. Homeopathic remedies are prepared by serial dilution with shaking by forceful striking, which homeopaths term "succussion," after each dilution under the assumption that this increases the effect of the treatment. This process is referred to as "potentization". Dilution often continues until none of the original substance remains.^[1]

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Homeopathic remedies generally contain few or no pharmacologically active ingredients,^[18] and for such remedies to have pharmacological effect would violate fundamental principles of science.^[19][20] Modern homeopaths have proposed that water has a memory that allows homeopathic preparations to work without any of the original substance; however, the physics of water are well understood, and no known mechanism permits such a memory.^[20][21] The lack of convincing scientific evidence supporting homeopathy's efficacy^[22] and its use of remedies lacking active ingredients have caused homeopathy to be described as "pseudoscience"^[23] and (more plainly) as "quackery" by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.^[24] and more recent writers.^[25][26][27]

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The extremely high dilutions in homeopathy have been a main point of criticism. Homeopathic remedies are usually diluted to the point where there are no molecules from the original solution left in a dose of the final remedy.^[85] Homeopaths believe that the methodical dilution of a substance, beginning with a 10% or lower solution and working downwards, with shaking after each dilution, produces a therapeutically active "remedy", in contrast to therapeutically inert water. Since even the longest-lived noncovalent structures in liquid water at room temperature are only stable for a few picoseconds,^[91] critics have concluded that any effect that might have been present from the original substance can no longer exist.^[92] No evidence of stable clusters of water molecules was found when homeopathic remedies were studied using NMR.^[93]

 

Furthermore, since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history, critics point out that water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance. By drinking water one would, according to this interpretation, receive treatment for every imaginable condition.^[94]

wow. im not making any assertions. Im giving you my vague recollection of a bbc show i saw months ago and my opinion that it was weird

edit: watch it yourself:

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=40713

And my opinion is that you are dense.

Geez how long do you have to be in the internet to know, that there is no way to discuss homeopathy rational. Just like why the PS3 rocks more than any XBOX360 or Wii ever will.

Godwins Law ftw

  On 8/19/2009 at 2:13 AM, my usernames always really suck said:

  On 8/19/2009 at 12:37 AM, Iain C said:

Homeopathy is a fucking joke!

I blame the Jesusfags for this shit, even if they themselves decry it as "New Age satanism". Religion as a whole is to blame for the fact that too many people aren't as skeptical as they ought to be.

Perhaps you should research it yourself, come to your OWN conclusions, and THEN lay blame at the responsible party's feet. Homeopathy has no basis or foundations in religion, so blaming the "Jesusfags" for it is incorrect.

I didn't say Jesusfags invented homeopathy.

I said Jesusfags are responsible for the fact that being non-skeptical and even being contemptuous towards the scientific method because it contradicts your personally-held beliefs (Jesusfags spewing vitriol at the theory of evolution because it contradicts the fairy tale of Genesis is no different than you homeopathy people spewing vitriol at the medical establishment accusing them of "hiding things they don't want you to know" and similar conspiracy theories, and you've done this yourself in the past as justification for believing in this absurdity, JR) is still a very socially acceptable thing in Western society, in this century no less. It's a cultural blight that people take with them even when they do renounce organized religion, as a lot of these people just latch on to alternative superstitions and gris-gris that are equally rife with fallacy and flimsy understanding of the way the universe works.

Believe what you want to believe about homeopathy, but the science and math behind the chemistry simply contradicts what you believe. It has been debunked time and time again (oh, yeah, I know, by "studies funded by Big Medicine", as if it isn't their job to study these things in a controlled, peer-reviewed environment before making conclusions that disagree with the beliefs of common idiots), so now the burden of proof is on the homeopathic advocates to present concrete evidence (note: anecdotal evidence isn't concrete) explaining just how exactly a solution that's been diluted all the way back into being water again still retains any possible medical active properties the original substance may or may not have originally had. Until then, if I accept homeopathy as being scientifically sound, then I also have to accept, under that exact same logical framework, these concepts as well:

1) Tom Cruise's proud moment of learning how to finally read the first sentences of Run Spot Run really was the result of malicious extraterrestrial spirit-beings called "Thetans" being purged from his body. If you deny the existence of Thetans then you need to research it yourself, come to your OWN conclusions, and THEN lay blame at the responsible party's feet.

2) You really can invoke 80-something immortal angelic beings from the outer heavens of the universe to do your personal bidding by painting your room in Enochian sigils and chanting phrases out of a Renaissance-era grimoire written by an excessively-inbred European nobleman who had lead poisoning of the brain. If you don't believe people have invoked angels to alter the course of human history, then you need to research it yourself, come to your OWN conclusions, and THEN lay blame at the responsible party's feet.

3) If I ever have cancer, I can just use magnet therapy* and it will all be better the next day, and if only those greedy kikes (because whenever there are conspiracy theories involving finances or "hiding things from the public", it's usually really about "them", right?) controlling the multi-billion-dollar medical industry wouldn't hide the true facts, nobody would have cancer! (you can also replace "magnets" with: psychic crystals, colonics, acupuncture, leeches, meditation, prayer, faith healing... or homeopathic remedies!). If you're reluctant to treat a malignant cancer with magnets and acupuncture because it's "not scientific", then you need to research it yourself, come to your OWN conclusions, and THEN lay blame at the responsible party's feet.

4) Catastrophic natural disasters happen because $DEITY is angry with you for not doing $POLITICAL_AGENDA_I_AGREE_WITH, or for doing $POLITICAL_AGENDA_I_DISAGREE_WITH. If you disagree, then an earthquake will rip through your town sometime within the next ... 30 years, courtesy of our loving and benevolent Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm especially curious to see just how trustful you will continue to be with your faith in snake oil if you ever end up with cancer, or hepatitis, or tuberculosis, or multiple sclerosis, or any other ailment that's actually very life threatening, or if you're going to end up running to those big bad money-sucking "Big Medicine" doctors that so many "alternative medicine" types are so fond of shitmouthing. Would you really be willing to hold on to these beliefs so much that you'd reject early-treatment chemotherapy because "you just want my money, now get me an acupuncturist?" I am genuinely curious now. Take a sip out of a stream of water by your nearest nuclear power plant and get back to me on this in a few months, I'm eager to find out how this would pan out.

  On 8/19/2009 at 9:07 PM, Iain C said:

Do you even know what you're talking about? I'm talking about homeopathic remedies. You know, the absurdly, insignificantly diluted remedies sold by snake-oil salesmen to hippies. Homeopathic is not a catch-all term for "herbal"; I keep an aloe plant in my kitchen because the sap is very soothing on burns. That does not change the fact that HOMEOPATHY (look it up) is a crock.

Yes I'm afraid I was jumping to conclusions there. I didn't look up the definition and kind of assumed that just meant any holistic medicine approach

  On 8/19/2009 at 9:07 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/19/2009 at 8:53 PM, thehauntingsoul said:

So I think you are being just as incredibly ignorant as homeopaths by completely passing herbal medicine off as the homeopathic enthusiasts are completely passing off new western medicine. The fact is that both will work in certain circumstances and your insignificant amount of personal experience is no where near enough to confidently say that herbal medicines are nothing but placebo.

 

Also, I hope you're not a native English speaker because if you are, this completely nonsensical paragraph is proof that your opinions can be safely discarded.

You got me there, I don't know what the hell I was doing with my sentence structure.

Its December, under 10 degrees outside and time for the unitchable itch to commence.

Happy winter my fellow suffers!

Fuck my feet are going again, and my arms are trying to start but I'm keeping on top of that shit

fucking mutant freaks

sandpaper

OR press your feet firmly against an iron or similar red-hot metal plate, baking your entire foot hard and turning your foot into a hoof, in which you have no feeling and can therefore walk around with happily.

did anybody post about this place yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq2d1KzHJrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtTPljHO3HQ

Reading through this thread again made me miss Iain C.

i have this minor sort of psoriasis, which i keep under control with a good loofah and lotion. Also, i try not to give a flying fuck about stress, but then again im young. Maybe as i get more responsabilities my psor will progress...

but until then, my skin disorder is minor, but i feel yah...

Since I last posted in this thread, I developed a raw spot of skin on my eyelid that just wouldn't heal for at least 2 or 3 months. I assume it is something residually related to my childhood psoriasis.

I wonder if this thread brought it back.

Either way, I told a friend who then told his dad (who is a doctor). His dad then told him to tell me to put hydrocortisone on it.

So I bought some and put a tiny dab on twice a day for about 2 weeks.

And guess what...

... I think it worked!

I get it bad if I shower with well water that has alot of iron in it. Also if I consistently use any shampoo or conditioner other than t-gel or head & shoulders. I wouldn't know what to do if it wasn't for t-gel. The shit makes my hair stiff as fuck, but it keeps the dry skin under control.

another sufferer here (dermatitis)

my missus has it. it sucks when running across the road or to get a bus etc. she can't keep up and shit.

i always pronounce the silent P and refer to it as "piss-soriasis"

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i have psoriasis

I got Psoriasis vulgaris since I'm 18 yrs old. It had me to cancel my first job as an Mechanic.

It's very hard to control and in summertime it's getting a lot better. but in winter time it's a nasty disease.

Saltwater and sun helps a lot!

Just go to a dermatologist and they will prescribe you a shit ton of creams. If you alternate between them they won't lose their effectiveness.

Taking Oil supplements really helps too. I take Omega 3-6-9, they are like horse pill sized gel caps but they get the job done.

As an additional note, my fingernails (which have never had problems before) are starting to go. My thumb nails in particular are receding. The problem is I usually use the white part to gauge where to trim them too but since this crap started there's a few times I trimmed them wincingly short. Like so short they are all red and raw and fucking horribly painful and you can't use your thumbs for anything for a few days.

And hand cream, that may sound feminine but whatever, hand cream tends to stop it from starting if you apply it whenever your hands are dry. My biggest problem is that generic hand soap dries my hands right the fuck out meaning I usually skip on the washing if I forget my moisturizer cream because its either that or face dry possibly cracked hands all day.

I don't and I feel bad for people who do deal with this disease. I have my own autoimmune disease to deal with which is called ulcerative colitis.