Why the hate for the end of Silverside?

i don't particularly like the track. not a wide enough sonic range for me and it's sort of an annoying melody imo.

i do quite like the vocal samples in it though

Even though i think it's shit, I like the ending.

Silverside has always been a summery Autechre track in my book

probably would benefit from a less cheesy ending but it's not so awful it makes me skip or dislike the track

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  On 6/16/2012 at 8:04 PM, Boxus said:

I'm a hater. The strings sound boring and cheesy to me. It's my least favorite Autechre track and I almost always skip it.

Please write me a paragraph or two about how interesting and deep SonDEremawe is.

The ending to this track is the best part of it, in my opinion at least. You have to deal with the fact that most of Amber sounds a bit dated and cheesy looking back on it, even Sean and Rob agree

da supa lol

  On 6/29/2012 at 8:08 AM, vproc said:

  On 6/16/2012 at 8:04 PM, Boxus said:

I'm a hater. The strings sound boring and cheesy to me. It's my least favorite Autechre track and I almost always skip it.

Please write me a paragraph or two about how interesting and deep SonDEremawe is.

Just kidding, I love that shit too.

Hey for the record, I love early Autechre! Definitely not hating on that. Amber is great and Incunabula is great too (I might like it even more than Amber). Most of the sounds on these albums are beautiful and well thought out. But Silverside sounds cheap and dated. I didn't like it the first time I heard it and it never grew on me.

The only other track on Amber that kinda bugs me is Glitch - it's a good song but some of the sounds just bother me, and I'm really not sure why. My mind-tongue tastes sour frequencies somewhere in the mix.

I'd say Incunabula generally sounds cheesier than Amber though. Especially basscadet and maetl, the beginning of maetl always makes me skip it especially when listening on headphones. Those harsh simplisitc sounds really stick out like a sore thumb and come off as a bit too obvious and unfinished somewhow. There are traces of this on Amber, like on Nil, but again it sounds like s bit more work has gone into weaving the track together to a cohesive sounding whole with a bit more depth to each sound.

The year was '97, England was the land

Bad Pants Charles's party was where it all began

(we called him Bad Pants Charles, for he only had one pair

T'were white when he first bought 'em, now browned with his despair)

Tracks from Amber stationed there, having a good time

Tracks were dancing in the kitchen, & drinkin all the wine

Montreal was singin', Nine danced on a chair

The sound of Yulquen's fiddle filled up the midnight air

All was well & all was good & all was NDC :sup:

All was going swimmingly...'til Silverside showed up

He spoke too loud, he smelled of smoke

All he handled wound up broke

He creeped on gals, he fought the guys

He also stole my fries

He clogged the shitter, the stench was bitter

He forced it down with a spoon

And that, my friends, was Silverside

The foulest track I knew

Beautiful albums all the way thru.

cheesy > partly yes, so what?

embarrassing > no cause it works well (for me at least)

That's why I don't really respect people like Alva Noto. He's so afraid of cheesiness...deliberately avoiding it at all costs. No honesty there.

Every artist being painter, writer, photographer or composer is cheesy in beginning of his career. It's the road one has to pass...and it's not something to be embarrassed of cause it's normal and necessary phase.

Oversteps is also partly cheesy and I'm glad to see they're young again. Right now it's also a necessary phase, like a rest, return to their souls before next step in their evolution. That's way I'm sure that the next album is going be re-evolutionary mind explosion.

(I said 'like a rest' cause it's hard to push boundaries all the time, so hard that artist can feel depersonalized.)

  On 7/8/2012 at 2:37 PM, xox said:

Every artist being painter, writer, photographer or composer is cheesy in beginning of his career. It's the road one has to pass...and it's not something to be embarrassed of cause it's normal and necessary phase.

 

Oversteps is also partly cheesy and I'm glad to see they're young again. Right now it's also a necessary phase, like a rest, return to their souls before next step in their evolution. That's way I'm sure that the next album is going be re-evolutionary mind explosion.

Agree about cheesiness. Lately I've realized how cheesy my own music is.

I hope you're right about Oversteps. I listened to it again last week after R.I.P. and the difference was really striking. I feel like they were striving for similar things in terms of pathos and aesthetics. Actress fucking nailed it and sustained it for the whole ride while Oversteps is mostly wank, except for some nice melodies on a few tracks.

I think those last 5 seconds are the only good part of that track!

  On 7/10/2012 at 12:11 AM, sweepstakes said:

Lately I've realized how cheesy my own music is.

 

So what? Just continue to produce and things will change.

Even though it could be cheesy right now as you say I'm sure there's some quality in it with honest emotions. You know it has.

  On 7/10/2012 at 6:06 PM, xox said:

  On 7/10/2012 at 12:11 AM, sweepstakes said:

Lately I've realized how cheesy my own music is.

 

 

So what? Just continue to produce and things will change.

Even though it could be cheesy right now as you say I'm sure there's some quality in it with honest emotions. You know it has.

Oh, yeah, I totally think so. I'm a little bit embarrassed about the cheese but it's not a big deal. Better to just roll with it.

And I know I could do (and have done) some totally po-faced stuff and avoid the cheesiness, but then it just sounds boring and stiff, and I'd rather it be cheesy and have some life and sincerity.

EDIT: The weird thing for me is that I've been making music off and on for 14 years. But now I've played a couple shows and have another in the queue this week, my attitude toward my music is changing - I feel more cognizant of the cheesiness (among other flaws) in my music than I ever have before. I also feel (and sound) like a beginner all over again. Which isn't all bad, but it is definitely a bit awkward.

If I'm in the wrong mood I'll cringe at or completely skip the end of Silverside's ending. This is because it reminds me of my earlier days making music, I'd do paddy ambient stuff and often finish tracks off with silence and then random diddling around with keys much like the end of Silverside. I would always immediately regret it.

But other than that the ending really isn't that bad.

  On 11/1/2009 at 1:08 PM, azatoth said:

  On 11/1/2009 at 10:19 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

alright straight up the end of silverside is awesome just like the whole track. It wouldn't really be silverside without that ending. I've always found it reminds me alot of the music from the original fallout for pc

 

that's cuz the composer for fallout 1&2 is a huge fan of teh IDMz.

 

Vault City µ-ziq — Approaching Menace

Military Base Autechre — Silverside

Redding Snuffy Walden — project blue

Vault 13 Brian Eno — Alternaitive 3

Modoc Aphex Twin — Lichen, Brian Eno— Discreet Music

Necropolis Aphex Twin — Tassels

Desert Winds Aphex Twin — Grey Stripe

Navarro Aphex Twin — Hankie

The Master's Lair Aphex Twin — Spots

Raiders Aphex Twin — Weathered Stone

The Hub Aphex Twin — Tree

Worldmap Aphex Twin — Window Sill

I don't know what this is, but as far as I know the story goes like this. Mark Morgan is given CD of music he has never heard to inspire the music he makes for the games. He imitates said music without knowing who the artists are. It turns out Aphex is on the CD so Fallout music sounds like Aphex.

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I don't know what this is, but as far as I know the story goes like this. Mark Morgan is given CD of music he has never heard to inspire the music he makes for the games. He imitates said music without knowing who the artists are. It turns out Aphex is on the CD so Fallout music sounds like Aphex.

Who stole the soul?!

This thread is sort of funny. I mean the track is nearly 20 years old. At that time Ae were at the forefront of anything happening in IDM and never lost this pole position ever since. And I remember the years 1998-2005 (and partly up to today), where electronic musicians still try to copy the Ae sound from back then - and still fail.

In the context of the date of creation, Amber is just as brilliant as the early electronic work of a Raymond Scott was in the 1960s.

I absolutely love cheesy music. I even like ufabulum.

... but I hate silverside.

Me too, I'd like to burn it.

But the ending really is good and the best part.