Jimson Weed

Datura, has anyone here sampled the unique delights of this nightshade plant?

Apparently it has had its uses throughout history as a spiritual plant used chiefly by shamans and the like to connect with the spirit world.

The real like hallucinations definetely intrigue me, but the dam thing is also supposed to be lethal, and the dosing is almost impossible due to toxin variations from plant to plant.

Any info/stories/thoughts on this plant?

there is a somewhat safer alternative to a Datura trip, Dramamine

i was always too afraid to try Datura,but always wanted to. I attempted to start an incremental Datura experiment by what i thought was probably the safest method possible. I bought 1,000 seeds and ground them up in a fine powder. I planned to incrementally up the dosage starting from a very small amount every week but i never was committed enough to follow all the way through.

i don't really recommend taking Dramamine unless you desperately want to experience 'real' hallucinations. It's not very pleasurable and can be quite terrifying.

If you have really sick in bed before and hallucinated, that's probably the closest thing to the experience. It's nothing like LSD or stuff like DXm.

edit: reading Datura and Dramamine trip reports on Erowid keeps me entertained for hours

I read a few trip reports claiming a common side effect of 'phantom visitors' where your doorbell rings and you answer it finding a bunch of old friends you haven't seen in ages. While you think nothing of it, you let them in and when you turn back to greet them again they all disappear. This was reported in several trip reports.

Also some dude said he saw superman fly into his window and he pulled out a gun and shot himself in the head. The guy said it really fucked him up to see that and truly believe it was happening but I can vouch that it is plausible because I took a shitload of acid one time, tripped out bad, and I have a memory of my friends holding my arm and pulling out a knife to stab me, even though this never happened.

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:28 AM, Awepittance said:

i don't really recommend taking Dramamine unless you desperately want to experience 'real' hallucinations. It's not very pleasurable and can be quite terrifying.

I haven't done that in 10 years, and only a couple of times, and no, they were not very pleasurable. Intense yes. Hallucinations? Like you wouldn't believe. Psychedelic? No. Not in the least, if that makes sense. Any things you see might as well really be there as it is one of the few drugs that can actually truly and effectively fuck you up to the point of not knowing what is real. The body load is terrible too. I have never felt so physically uncomfortable in my entire life, despite nothing being actually wrong. If I think about it hard enough I shudder.

  On 12/6/2009 at 6:23 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

 

Also some dude said he saw superman fly into his window and he pulled out a gun and shot himself in the head.

wow one of the best things i've ever heard about Datura! hilarious , your phantom visitor thing i've read a lot about before as well. Another common Datura hallucination is the false memory of overdosing. it seems extremely common to take a normal dose, and then start hallucinating but have no idea that you are fucked up (nor hallucinating) and decide to take more but in fact are not actually taking more.

  On 12/6/2009 at 7:41 AM, sneaksta303 said:

The body load is terrible too. I have never felt so physically uncomfortable in my entire life, despite nothing being actually wrong. If I think about it hard enough I shudder.

same here, the body feeling on dramamine is the absolute worst i've experienced. did you get the lead boots effect where you feel like your feet weigh 20 pounds each?

  On 12/6/2009 at 7:43 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 12/6/2009 at 7:41 AM, sneaksta303 said:

The body load is terrible too. I have never felt so physically uncomfortable in my entire life, despite nothing being actually wrong. If I think about it hard enough I shudder.

 

same here, the body feeling on dramamine is the absolute worst i've experienced. did you get the lead boots effect where you feel like your feet weigh 20 pounds each?

ssssh, of course. It was ridiculous the 1st time. I had taken it, then was chilling for the next hour, just laying on the couch or something, and when I stood up, it was nuts. That part isn't so bad though. I figured out it feels like your body needs to do one of those hard and quick tension relieving shivers, but CAN'T. Does that make sense? It's an upper back thing too. Ugh. You'd seriously have to pay me hella to do that again. I had never been so downright CONFUSED in my entire life.

i think the most terrifying aspect for me personally (but also the most hilarious aspect when watching other people on it) is how frequently you get a short term amnesia, can't finish sentences or remember what someone told you 30 seconds ago. To have your memory fucked with to that degree i found pretty disturbing. Those tension shivers you talk about even happen to me if i take 1 or 2 dramamine to get to sleep, i stopped using diphenhydramine on planes because it would freak me out too much.

I had no idea diphenhydramine had hallucinogenic properties. I know I had a few minor hallucinations after I started taking it regularly to get to sleep, and I figured it was because I was just tired, but I didn't know diphenhyramine could do that.

dramamine didn't work for me. i tried it once and i took two tubes of the stuff and it just made me feel like someone was talking to me and i couldn't pay enough attention to hear what they were saying.

I think you would have to be utterly retarded to want to put that sort of thing into your body. What's wrong with the real world?

Theres a lot going wrong with the real world. Climate change, rape, wild fires, cruelty, other stuff that the chinese do... but the people who are using Jimson Weed are experimenting. They want to reach a higher state of confidence. I know a guy from Dundee who's dad left him when he was a toddler and to raise his spirit his mum told him he was Jesus, so he grew up thinking he was Jesus til he was about 18 when the realisation dawned upon him that he wasn't jesus, leaving him in a depressed state and abusing herbs throughout his 20's. He is vacant as fuck, you can speak to him and he doesn't hear a word. Completely switched off from reality and what is going on around him. I am amazed he copes with his work at Tesco admin.

He would love some of this Jimson Weed, it would push him closer to the edge than ever before and take him to a higher place where he ca once again believe himself to be our lord saviour Christ Himself.

i love a good rape

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

Theres a lot going wrong with the real world. Climate change, rape, wild fires, cruelty, other stuff that the chinese do...

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

They want to reach a higher state of confidence.

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

to raise his spirit his mum told him he was Jesus, so he grew up thinking he was Jesus til he was about 18 when the realisation dawned upon him that he wasn't jesus

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

He would love some of this Jimson Weed, it would push him closer to the edge than ever before and take him to a higher place where he ca once again believe himself to be our lord saviour Christ Himself.

there are at least four WTFs in that post

I have a number of friends who went off the deep end playing with this stuff.

One of them had a 4 hour conversation with some guy name Herbert while sitting on my neighbors couch. He showed up out of the blue at my neighbors door, confused as to which house he was at. When I came to the door he didn't even see me and when he talked to the neighbor his focus was clearly on something else. He came in and immediately directed his attention to the couch, saying quite casually "Oh hey Herbert!" and then taking a seat. We were all in the kitchen watching, and he just sat there staring at the far side of the couch talking about mechanical engineering with some phantom being. We never did find out who Herbert was, my friend doesn't know anybody Herbert and didn't remember much of his hallucination.

Never touched the stuff myself. I don't know many people who I would feel comfortable babysitting me should I go into a state like that.

Like Hunter Thompson once said, "You can turn your back on a person, but you can never turn your back on a drug, especially when it's waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your eye."

not for recreational use

its an ordeal poison

i got fucked up enough off one tab of strong acid.

  On 12/6/2009 at 6:22 PM, KY said:

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

Theres a lot going wrong with the real world. Climate change, rape, wild fires, cruelty, other stuff that the chinese do...

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

They want to reach a higher state of confidence.

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

to raise his spirit his mum told him he was Jesus, so he grew up thinking he was Jesus til he was about 18 when the realisation dawned upon him that he wasn't jesus

  On 12/6/2009 at 3:06 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

He would love some of this Jimson Weed, it would push him closer to the edge than ever before and take him to a higher place where he ca once again believe himself to be our lord saviour Christ Himself.

 

there are at least four WTFs in that post

You missed the Tesco Admin bit.

Yeah I would never do a drug that fell under the category of "Deliriants". Their critical defining criteria is that they convince you that you aren't on a drug and that everything is actually happening to you (delirious, deliriant)

even Dissociatives are kind of scary by nature

i've heard anecdotally that the reason you hallucinate in fever like states or on drugs like Datura and Dramaine is because the blood flow to your brain stem is being constricted

  On 12/7/2009 at 3:37 PM, xxx said:

That uncomfortable, need-to-shiver-but-can't feeling on Dramamine is called akathisia and happens when you take too much/are sensitive to anticholinergic drugs. It can be permanent in something called tardive dyskinesia, which happens a lot to people that have taken high doses of antipsychotic medication for a long time. Your tongue may thicken, you may assume poses you can't get out of, etc. Foorrrreeeevvvveeerrrr.

 

So, I'd pick another one lol

wow that's really cool to know that it wasn't just me. I have to say, that is one of the absolute worst feelings in the world. It's funny you mentioned the anti-psychotic connection because I felt that feeling on the ward one time, and wondered why. I guess my dumbass should have put 2 & 2 together.

I did DXM a few times and I've been supremely fucked up so I can appreciate the implications of more fucked up drugs.

seems to me like if you're considering jimson weed you should try DXM or salvia instead.

anyone, any positive results from jimson weed? or do people just go through it to prove how badass they are?

Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre dissociative experience I have ever had and it was also the most fun I've ever had on a drug. I would highly recommend it if your into trying something really fucked up. Not only is Datura a dysphoric (opposite of euphoric) deliriant, but it is horribly toxic and very difficult to dose properly.

Ketamine, on the other hand, I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure it's not been proven to be toxic to your body in the recreational dose (anaesthetic dose would lie far beyond that) The known lethal dosage of it is much much more than one would reasonably take, especially if insufflated. It comes on fucking quick and lasts an hour and basically sets you adrift in a rollercoaster ride of a bizarre psychedelic dream world.

Additionally it mixes incredibly well with music. Listened to Chiastic Slide entirely in the hole one time and it was the most visceral immersion I've ever experienced into Autechre's music.

  On 12/8/2009 at 4:58 AM, hahathhat said:

or do people just go through it to prove how badass they are?

lol don't be silly. Some of us are just more curious than others. Well, ok, I PERSONALLY never met anyone who did it to prove their bad-ass-ness. But DXM is far superior, and can be quite euphoric, unlike deliriants, if you're going to go the legal high route. DXM + weed = bliss. I haven't hit the 3rd plateau in an awfully long time... Maybe New Years eve....

  On 12/8/2009 at 5:02 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

Ketamine is the most intense, bizarre dissociative experience I have ever had and it was also the most fun I've ever had on a drug. I would highly recommend it if your into trying something really fucked up. Not only is Datura a dysphoric (opposite of euphoric) deliriant, but it is horribly toxic and very difficult to dose properly.

 

Ketamine, on the other hand, I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure it's not been proven to be toxic to your body in the recreational dose (anaesthetic dose would lie far beyond that) The known lethal dosage of it is much much more than one would reasonably take, especially if insufflated. It comes on fucking quick and lasts an hour and basically sets you adrift in a rollercoaster ride of a bizarre psychedelic dream world.

I've shot K, and while I like how warm and comfortable it can be, I've had some experiences from DXM that put K to shame, simply because of the amount of control I've had over what I saw and felt, unlike K, where once you get to a certain point, you're almost certainly going to "lose" the experience not long after it's over. I dunno.