politically correct white people

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:27 PM, 42Orange said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:12 PM, chenGOD said:

there is no difference in race, seeing as race doesn't actually exist. There is racialised thinking, which is fucked up. Same as gendered thinking.

There are huge differences in cultures around the world, and who would ever deny that?

 

apparently you because this is what we consider "race". No shit that we're all humans la-de-da but to completely ignore cultural and environmental factors (ie race) that made us who we are for the past few thousand years is pretty dumb.

 

theres no such thing as genre maaaan its all muuuusiiic... hippie FUCK

actually, 42, chen is right.

allow me to explain:

there are in actuality, three races: Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucasian

however, due to the massive migrational movements and mixing of the three original races, these races are almost moot to the point of nonexistance, however we are trained as children from our parents and grandparents to continue labeling a Chinese, or African person racially, when in fact they are of the Chinese or African ethnicity, not race. Race is far too much a blanket term and way too outdated to be used the way it is. Refer instead to ethnicities, of which there are many.

This is not political correctness, it is simply correctness.

lemme edit that by saying chen is half-right LOL...there is a thing such as race, but at this point in time it is almost impossible to clearly categorize them from the original three scientifically, save for a few extremely isolated and homogeneous groups.

There is greater genetic difference within a "race" than between "races".

It's nothing to do with hippie bullshit at all, it's been verified in many scientific papers.

Race is a social construct. It's not an ancient idea, and it has its roots in the colonial past.

Please don't misconstrue what I'm saying as to mean that "people didn't do fucked up things to one another before the white man came to africa" because they did. They just didn't justify it in terms of race.

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:53 PM, chenGOD said:

There is greater genetic difference within a "race" than between "races".

It's nothing to do with hippie bullshit at all, it's been verified in many scientific papers.

 

Race is a social construct. It's not an ancient idea, and it has its roots in the colonial past.

Please don't misconstrue what I'm saying as to mean that "people didn't do fucked up things to one another before the white man came to africa" because they did. They just didn't justify it in terms of race.

how did I say anything about the white man in africa? or was this meant at 42?

i mean i basically agreed with you saying it's an outdated social construct, but it nonetheless existed whereas ethnicity is something with actual basis...or at least that is what scientists are currently arguing now.

you have to admit that the 18th century concept of mongoloid, caucasoid, and negroid is pretty much the foundation for what we now perceive as "race."

let me restate what i said in the beginning so I feel like I am clear:

The concept of race existed, flourished under the 18th ideal of the 3 major races, but is irrelevant due to not only intermixing, but also scientific classifications and henceforth the disproving of racial identities.

Nonetheless, despite the scientific disproval, this concept of race still exists socially, and I was merely pointing out that if one was to use race, it could really only be appropriated towards the 3 major identities, whereas ethnicity is more grounded in current scientific circles, and therefore is the proper term for it. Not politically correct, scientifically correct.

So you're OK with politically correct black people?

  On 1/21/2010 at 7:07 PM, Fishtank said:

So you're OK with politically correct black people?

political correctness itself by and large should be what people rally against. slowly digest that phrase and realize that to speak like that means absolutely nothing, and is misleading from any actual evidence, argument, or debate.

I was referring to the thread title.

It's exclusive to whites.

I always liked this interview, it sounds so ridiculous at times yet the fundamentals fit right in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkPkJInUmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkc0yqJulWg&feature=related

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:53 PM, chenGOD said:

There is greater genetic difference within a "race" than between "races".

I agree with this but now it sounds like you're saying race isn't just a social construct

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:38 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:27 PM, 42Orange said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:12 PM, chenGOD said:

there is no difference in race, seeing as race doesn't actually exist. There is racialised thinking, which is fucked up. Same as gendered thinking.

There are huge differences in cultures around the world, and who would ever deny that?

 

apparently you because this is what we consider "race". No shit that we're all humans la-de-da but to completely ignore cultural and environmental factors (ie race) that made us who we are for the past few thousand years is pretty dumb.

 

theres no such thing as genre maaaan its all muuuusiiic... hippie FUCK

 

 

actually, 42, chen is right.

 

allow me to explain:

 

there are in actuality, three races: Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucasian

 

however, due to the massive migrational movements and mixing of the three original races, these races are almost moot to the point of nonexistance, however we are trained as children from our parents and grandparents to continue labeling a Chinese, or African person racially, when in fact they are of the Chinese or African ethnicity, not race. Race is far too much a blanket term and way too outdated to be used the way it is. Refer instead to ethnicities, of which there are many.

 

This is not political correctness, it is simply correctness.

 

lemme edit that by saying chen is half-right LOL...there is a thing such as race, but at this point in time it is almost impossible to clearly categorize them from the original three scientifically, save for a few extremely isolated and homogeneous groups.

so youre willing to generalise people into "ethnicities" but not "races", which are pretty much the same thing with a different, politically correct name. they both have relatively the same use, as a blanket term to define obtuse "similarities", but they both ignore a certain aspect of individuality. You can either look at everyone as individuals, or you can generalize, different people do it in different amounts, and i personally think its wrong to not observe the individual but also wrong to deny them their particular cultural lineages which can at times be extremely inclusive right on down to extremely superficial qualities.

  On 1/21/2010 at 8:29 PM, 42Orange said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:38 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:27 PM, 42Orange said:

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:12 PM, chenGOD said:

there is no difference in race, seeing as race doesn't actually exist. There is racialised thinking, which is fucked up. Same as gendered thinking.

There are huge differences in cultures around the world, and who would ever deny that?

 

apparently you because this is what we consider "race". No shit that we're all humans la-de-da but to completely ignore cultural and environmental factors (ie race) that made us who we are for the past few thousand years is pretty dumb.

 

theres no such thing as genre maaaan its all muuuusiiic... hippie FUCK

 

 

actually, 42, chen is right.

 

allow me to explain:

 

there are in actuality, three races: Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucasian

 

however, due to the massive migrational movements and mixing of the three original races, these races are almost moot to the point of nonexistance, however we are trained as children from our parents and grandparents to continue labeling a Chinese, or African person racially, when in fact they are of the Chinese or African ethnicity, not race. Race is far too much a blanket term and way too outdated to be used the way it is. Refer instead to ethnicities, of which there are many.

 

This is not political correctness, it is simply correctness.

 

lemme edit that by saying chen is half-right LOL...there is a thing such as race, but at this point in time it is almost impossible to clearly categorize them from the original three scientifically, save for a few extremely isolated and homogeneous groups.

 

so youre willing to generalise people into "ethnicities" but not "races", which are pretty much the same thing with a different, politically correct name. they both have relatively the same use, as a blanket term to define obtuse "similarities", but they both ignore a certain aspect of individuality. You can either look at everyone as individuals, or you can generalize, different people do it in different amounts, and i personally think its wrong to not observe the individual but also wrong to deny them their particular cultural lineages which can at times be extremely inclusive right on down to extremely superficial qualities.

ethnicity is not politically correct, it is scientifically correct, or is at least the scientific standard today. Check out some books or articles on the current debates about ethnicity.

You cannot observe the individual in every given case.

Example, if a white man murdered a black man, you witnessed the white man fleeing the scene, and the police question you on the identity of the killer. Would the color of the man factor into the description? Of course it will. Are you observing him as an individual?

It is the same with other situations. If you go into a home full of people with assumed "asiatic" traits, and they cook chow mein, most people would therefore assume the family is Chinese. However, this may not be correct, unless every individual is questioned individually about every individual act he/she pertains to, you would find that it is quite impossible to observe the individual in every given situation, and treat them appropriately.

But I agree with you in principle, humans since the beginning of time have been largely subjective creatures, and though we have evolved slightly from prejudicial standpoints, they still exist today and being able to single out an individual in every circumstance is again, impossible.

Ethnicity has less to do with genetics than sharing a common heritage or attachment, such as where they were born, where there family was, what political system or social systems they had participated in over a long period of time, etc.

Edit: for fucks sake i apologize for sloppy sentence structure.

  On 1/21/2010 at 6:55 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

 

 

 

 

how did I say anything about the white man in africa? or was this meant at 42?

 

 

Sorry for any confusion, my comments were directed at 42...

when i was in Africa they called me The White Devil.

Is this political correctness?

Jap Road finally comes to end

  On 1/21/2010 at 10:13 PM, takeshi said:

Is this political correctness?

 

Jap Road finally comes to end

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ill admit thats a tough one because like all things politically correct, its a grey area made further obtuse by doublespeak.

I would say the easiest solution would be to rename it to whoever the Japanese farmer was. Easy solution. Done. You aren't conceding, if anything you are making it more accurate.

they should rename it to "they took our jobs road"

  On 1/21/2010 at 3:30 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

 

what did troon say right here that made him the worst thing ever? Pr

yeah i wasn't sure either, seemed like zaphod just wanted to arbitrarily partake in the pleasure of making fun of the new guy

maybe i just dont have enough scientific knowledge of race vs ethnicity to know what i'm talking about.

But it seems to me, when you apply to a college and it asks you for an "ethnicity", theyre not asking anything about your cultural background, but merely your genetic background, ie, you cant be "native american" without being some bullshit fraction of native american "race" (genetic blood relation). Now this hardly is how everyone thinks, but i'm just a little confused at what defines ethnicity and what defines race.

You can grow up in England but choose to act african because you might have african genetics and most would consider them ethnically african because of black skin and "behavior" despite being several generations english.

Can you choose to be an ethnicity? Can i choose to be french depsite never living in france and having just a little french blood? "Culturally" i am more american than anything else because my ancestors have lived here for hundreds of years, but they all came over from europe and are genetically european.

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ethnicity is not politically correct, it is scientifically correct, or is at least the scientific standard today. Check out some books or articles on the current debates about ethnicity.

So ethnicity can be scientifically proven and is genetic? didnt you just say

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Ethnicity has less to do with genetics than sharing a common heritage or attachment, such as where they were born, where there family was, what political system or social systems they had participated in over a long period of time, etc.

Political/social systems arent very "scientific"

  On 1/21/2010 at 10:27 PM, 42Orange said:

maybe i just dont have enough scientific knowledge of race vs ethnicity to know what i'm talking about.

But it seems to me, when you apply to a college and it asks you for an "ethnicity", theyre not asking anything about your cultural background, but merely your genetic background, ie, you cant be "native american" without being some bullshit fraction of native american "race" (genetic blood relation). Not this hardly is how everyone thinks, but i'm just a little confused at what defines ethnicity and what defines race.

 

You can grow up in England but choose to act african because you might have african genetics and most would consider them ethnically african because of black skin and "behavior" despite being several generations english.

 

Can you choose to be an ethnicity? Can i choose to be french depsite never living in france and having just a little french blood? "Genetically" i am more american than anything else because my ancestors have lived here for hundreds of years, but all came over from europe.

 

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ethnicity is not politically correct, it is scientifically correct, or is at least the scientific standard today. Check out some books or articles on the current debates about ethnicity.

 

So ethnicity can be scientifically proven and is genetic? didnt you just say

 

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Ethnicity has less to do with genetics than sharing a common heritage or attachment, such as where they were born, where there family was, what political system or social systems they had participated in over a long period of time, etc.

 

Political/social systems arent very "scientific"

your first part of the post, the answer is because our definition of "ethnicity" is still undergoing metamorphosis, in line with progression of sociological ideas and research. for your second part, i never said ethnicity is scientifically proven, i said it is the scientific standard. I guess I could say I was wrong and change it to the sociological standard, but that is irrelevant as both fields are scientific in nature.

seriously though read up on the various theories on ethnicity, they can explain the debate/whats wrong/whats right better than I can.

i would, but its not really something i care enough about really. Its interesting to hear other people's opinions but not a subject i find particularly interesting to research myself.

basically people should stop being fucking touchy. some people are born with different shit to other people. la-dee-da! who gives a fuck. let's talk about it and get some laughs out of it and shit, innit.

fucking PC fags

we get laughs out of it all the time here, so what is your point?

  On 1/21/2010 at 10:46 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

we get laughs out of it all the time here, so what is your point?

dunno i didn't really read the thread lol

nice one LOL

  On 1/21/2010 at 9:44 PM, BCM said:

when i was in Africa they called me The White Devil.