stolen generative sequencer patches

i dunno i think hand-programming is probably just as effective.

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  encey said:

i dunno i think hand-programming is probably just as effective.

 

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agreed. or to put it another way, it's a time-saving device, in the manner that a dishwasher saves you having to wash the dishes every night. to a certain degree.

i think generative composition is a tool to be used sparingly, or edited heavily, or somewhere in between.

it shouldn't be regarded as a style, but as a technique, like creative panning or a nice granular synth/effect.

pure generative stuff belongs in the wankier end of the wire's reviews.

and i'm a huuuge fan of eno, but KOAN was just wanky.

  awepittance said:

  six said:

 

WTF! :omg:

 

hopefully somebody accidentally leaves that on a usb thumb drive

the whole thing is interesting & i'm trying to run those patches with max/msp (the first musical prog loaded in my pc EVER , i guess it will take me 12 years to understand how to use it)

but i dont understand that whole story with that pix taken from a usb thumb drive??!! : i have the same pix on my computer for 2 years! its a just snapshot made by ae themselves when they did that very same interview, you can find it easily on the net....

I think he was talking about the actual program the picture is of, not just the picture

ok, but i actually loaded max/mxp on my pc (its funny 'cause like i said its the first EVER prog i put in on), loaded awepitance patches & guess what after 2 sec my pc put outs loads of autechrian bits!!! :grin:

i was about to turn the light off & smoke above my laptop & grow a beard & pretend being autechre on my own :grin: never had so much fun since i discover karaoke.

big up to awepitance (even if its a fake, its brillant!!)

Am very impressed with the output generated by these so far. To second most of what's been said here: If this isn't Autechre, whomever hoaxed it is almost on an equal plane with their expertise. If these truly were done by Rob and Sean, though, it offers an amazing window into their programming and technical knowledge.

While there's a lot of discussion going on here about the vailidity of generative music, I still think it's important to note that AE seem to (or at least claim to) use it rather sparingly. If you create a generative patch, yet still manipulate its various parameters through MIDI data, it's hardly random.

I do the same thing when I sit down and play drums. Just let my mind wander and play whatever rhythms that happen to come out on the kit. Once I find a grove I like, I stick with it for a while, slowly adding variations. No different than a MIDI-maleable generative patch, in my eyes.

Cheers mates....good thread so far.

If only AE would post here. I'm sure they ready every once in a while.

Edit: Read every once in a while. :D

  Tree said:

I do the same thing when I sit down and play drums. Just let my mind wander and play whatever rhythms that happen to come out on the kit. Once I find a grove I like, I stick with it for a while, slowly adding variations. No different than a MIDI-maleable generative patch, in my eyes.

exactly, thats why i find it funny when people diss all forms of randomly assisted or randomly generated electronic music.

on a side note Autechres modern drum farts/stutters are mosty likely not done by hand (by typing in notes into step or piano roll sequencer) , but that doesnt make them any less amazing or complex for me.

i get the impression that a lot of Draft and Untilted are hand-sequenced.

i doubt they read this forum. :(

and not that it's a complaint, but i'm surprised no thread nazis have subforum'd this thread yet ...

ncie

the differences between the people at watmm and the people at That Other Site™ here

Interestingly I'm currently listening to EP7 and the Liccflii track came on. I'm assuming they used the patch but them post-processed it properly on a sequencer. It seems carefully arranged so that every time the ~16 bar phrase finishes it slowly filters into another version with different grungey noiseness on it. The actuall track does seem much more interesting than the patch but I assume like I said that they grabbed the output from the patch and then stuck it together more cohesively into a proper sounding track.

  encey said:

and not that it's a complaint, but i'm surprised no thread nazis have subforum'd this thread yet ...

SHH!!!

i think the xlt folks have a point, namely that these are stolen, and the best one could do with them is admire them, maybe get some ideas for one's own music; the worse one could do is use these things themselves, unaltered, to make one's 'own' track, and that by sharing these you are opening both possibilities.

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  encey said:

i think the xlt folks have a point, namely that these are stolen, and the best one could do with them is admire them, maybe get some ideas for one's own music; .........., and that by sharing these you are opening both possibilities.

 

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fleetmouse always has good points! i was mainly talking about the other folks.

my impression is this:

if autechre didn't want these to leak they wouldn't have given the EP7 patch to the russian website & sean booth wouldn't have given it out to a maxmsp programmer.

both patches appear to be designed for other people (not autechre) to use them. This is evident in how much of the patch is locked and the little quasi GUI they made for it.

If someone uses these patches in their own music more power to em,

  encey said:

the worse one could do is use these things themselves, unaltered, to make one's 'own' track

i don't see anythign wrong with that, its a drop in the bucket for the mass of bad new electronic music bombarding us everyday.

  awepittance said:

  encey said:

the worse one could do is use these things themselves, unaltered, to make one's 'own' track

 

i don't see anythign wrong with that, its a drop in the bucket for the mass of bad new electronic music bombarding us everyday.

yeah well i'd be ashamed if i released a track 'generated' by this patch, the only thing this is useful for is for deconstructing it and learning more about max. it's not like your using someone else's vst, it's like your using someone else's track 'template'.

  iep said:

yeah well i'd be ashamed if i released a track 'generated' by this patch,

agreed, and id assume most other musicians would also feel ashamed including myself.

  iep said:

  awepittance said:

 

  encey said:

the worse one could do is use these things themselves, unaltered, to make one's 'own' track

 

i don't see anythign wrong with that, its a drop in the bucket for the mass of bad new electronic music bombarding us everyday.

 

yeah well i'd be ashamed if i released a track 'generated' by this patch, the only thing this is useful for is for deconstructing it and learning more about max. it's not like your using someone else's vst, it's like your using someone else's track 'template'.

Exactly, I just think it's awesome because I've tried Max MSP with little success and it's fascinating to me to see how a successful patch works. By tweaking this patch you can make something that sounds totally different. Of course I would never use this for any of my own tracks, I just think it is a valuable learning experience.

i can't figure out how to even make a fucking sound with the reaktor patch, let alone make a fucking track out of it.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  b born droid said:

i can't figure out how to even make a fucking sound with the reaktor patch, let alone make a fucking track out of it.

 

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

did you download the ENS file or the ISM files? i will try my best to help you get them working.

The ism files must be connected to the ouputs 1 & 2 of the audio outs on reaktor. If you want to use more than one ISM file at once you need to hook them up to a mixer reaktor object. The ENS file can simply be loaded in reaktor, and all you do is hit play. If the processor overloads let me know, its very possible it will, even on my 2.6 ghz pentium 4 system it reaches 85% cpu load (as you can see i am not an efficient programmer by any means)

  Koko Cornelius said:

i've been going to a friends computer music class at UCSD where they primarily use puredata as their music program (it's somewhat like maxMSP so i kinda understand whats going on in those diagrams)

 

even if it's not autechre it's still really impressive stuff, imma show it to the professor and see what he says

If its Miller, I've already showed him. Shlomo or Peter might not have seen it yet though. Not sure what they would think

  gl0tch said:

  Koko Cornelius said:

i've been going to a friends computer music class at UCSD where they primarily use puredata as their music program (it's somewhat like maxMSP so i kinda understand whats going on in those diagrams)

 

even if it's not autechre it's still really impressive stuff, imma show it to the professor and see what he says

 

 

If its Miller, I've already showed him. Shlomo or Peter might not have seen it yet though. Not sure what they would think

what did miller have to say about it?

  awepittance said:

  gl0tch said:

  Koko Cornelius said:

i've been going to a friends computer music class at UCSD where they primarily use puredata as their music program (it's somewhat like maxMSP so i kinda understand whats going on in those diagrams)

 

even if it's not autechre it's still really impressive stuff, imma show it to the professor and see what he says

 

 

If its Miller, I've already showed him. Shlomo or Peter might not have seen it yet though. Not sure what they would think

 

what did miller have to say about it?

This was like over a year ago.. I recall him saying something about it being interesting (sort of) but mentioned it as dancey, which kinda immediately categorized it into Pop for him I think.

as in puckette? you guys are lucky to have him teaching you :omg:

  laika said:

as in puckette? you guys are lucky to have him teaching you :omg:

Yeah, he's one of my advisors. He's pretty chill.

I think this is pretty bad, they are stolen.

It means they were personal property, ae did not want to share this.

It has nothing to do with appreciating their programming skills or trying to understand it.

If you want to appreciate, listen to the music, if you want to understand learn how to program.

It's like going through a girls dirty laundry and telling her you are just trying to understand and appreciate her.

Or diary/e-mail etc.

Bah.

  gl0tch said:

  laika said:

as in puckette? you guys are lucky to have him teaching you :omg:

 

Yeah, he's one of my advisors. He's pretty chill.

didnt he invent PD and MAX?