I like Canada, It's the shit.

  On 3/21/2010 at 11:22 PM, chax said:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/spector-vision/duceppe-and-the-quebec-resistance-movement/article1507230/

 

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In a speech to 300 party members in Québec City yesterday, Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe said:

 

"We’re on the right side, the rising side, of history. For the moment, we are resistants. But yesterday’s resistants are tomorrow’s winners….Quebec has no future in Canada…the only worthy future for Québec is full and complete political liberty. And that’s called sovereignty. "

 

According to Bloc MPs interviewed by Le Journal de Montréal’s Taieb Moalla , this marks the first time that the Bloc has used the term “résistant” to describe itself, and it signifies that the Party is “raising its tone” in regard to Ottawa.

 

At a press conference following his speech, according to a report by CP’s Martin Ouellet, Duceppe defended himself when questioned by reporters about drawing a parallel between the sovereignty movement and the French resistance against the Nazis.

 

He said that he drew his inspiration from a text authored by the late intellectual and union activist Pierre Vadeboncoeur.

 

Nevertheless, he reaffirmed that sovereignty would only be possible with the work of the resistance, as was the case for the liberation of France in 1944.

 

“Québec sovereignty, no more than the Libération, is not possible, would not have been possible, without the work of the resistants.”

 

Duceppe actually compared life in Quebec similar to life in France under Nazi occupation, which is just insane. This is a pretty extreme viewpoint to take.

 

What I think is going to happen to Canada is that there will be another election either at the end of this year or next year sometime. There will be another 'issue' everyone is divided about, but there will be no change federally with another Conservative minority winning the election. Then all of a sudden there will be another NDP-Liberal-Bloc Coalition that will try to overturn the results of the election in order to get power. And because of the recent prorogation motion passed by Jack Layton of the NDP so that Stephen Harper can't prorogue the House of Commons anymore, the coalition ends up taking over and winning. After the riots and outrage and possibly civil war, Alberta and the West decide to secede from Canada, resulting with every other province also becoming their own republic. The end.

that would be shitty.

  On 3/21/2010 at 11:39 PM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

 

that would be shitty.

Unfortunately I see it as being the most likely outcome. Canada as a 'country' will only remain so in the loosest sense possible, there are just too many regional/cultural differences.

Also major LOL:

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Bloc Quebecois slammed for comments tied with Nazism

 

MONTREAL—The Bloc Quebecois’ hint at Nazi-era terminology to define its relationship with Canada ranks among the most absurd statements ever made by sovereigntists, a senior federal cabinet minister said Sunday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/783045--bloc-quebecois-slammed-for-comments-tied-with-nazism?bn=1

the craziness in this thread is off the hook.

lol at american and canadian culture being the same. 90% of the Canadian population live within that range because of geography, not out of any sense of affinity with America. If you think we'd be better off as the 51st state, go live there with their wonderful free-market health care approach, lots of guns, and millions of crazies (see tea party thread).

lol at the Bloc Quebecois who will continue to fail. Yeah you guys sure are being shipped off to gas chambers out there in Quebec.

Alberta is part of the prairies, not the west.The rockies represent more than a physical barrier. having said that, it takes more than cultural differences to split up a nation. And those stresses are not present in Canada.

LOL at chax - that's right, all the environmental degradation caused by the tar sands is just propaganda. In fact greenpeace hacked google satellites to show the erosion on google maps.

How about a different way of looking at it: the tar sands will appease the world's thirst for oil for 30 years, delaying research on alternative energy sources.

  On 3/22/2010 at 12:17 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Alberta is part of the prairies, not the west.The rockies represent more than a physical barrier. having said that, it takes more than cultural differences to split up a nation. And those stresses are not present in Canada.

When I say the 'West' I actually mean Calgary and Alberta. 'The West' is in terms compared to the position of Toronto. Everyone here calls Alberta the west.

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LOL at chax - that's right, all the environmental degradation caused by the tar sands is just propaganda. In fact greenpeace hacked google satellites to show the erosion on google maps.

How about a different way of looking at it: the tar sands will appease the world's thirst for oil for 30 years, delaying research on alternative energy sources.

I'm not saying it's all propaganda, that there isn't environmental damage, but most of the groups that are saying it are these super extreme left-wing groups that want all of us to significantly lower our quality of life in favour of some kind of socialism or marxism. It isn't just about concern over the environment with Greenpeace. Yeah there is environmental damage, but that's the cost of progress. I don't understand the mentality of not wanting to make Canada better and more prosperous. Besides the technologies to put the entire country (which mostly is rural) on some kind of 'clean' renewable energy source is definitely more than 30 years away.

  On 3/22/2010 at 12:08 AM, chax said:

 

Unfortunately I see it as being the most likely outcome. Canada as a 'country' will only remain so in the loosest sense possible, there are just too many regional/cultural differences.

 

Exactly. The Status-quo will never fix anything in Canada. It's not even a Québec vs. the rest of Canada. It's all about the fucking mess of a government that goes nowhere, on every side. The sooner the fragmentation of Canada happens, the better everything will be.

Anyway, It's Duceppe man. He's got not choice to do that. You're not in Quebec, you just can't understand. I'm not saying this as a bad thing against you, it's just The two solitudes. 95% of people in Quebec don't know who Anne Murray is. 95% of people in the Rest of Canada don't know who Jean Leloup is.

  On 3/22/2010 at 12:17 AM, chenGOD said:

the craziness in this thread is off the hook.

lol at american and canadian culture being the same. 90% of the Canadian population live within that range because of geography, not out of any sense of affinity with America. If you think we'd be better off as the 51st state, go live there with their wonderful free-market health care approach, lots of guns, and millions of crazies (see tea party thread).

 

There's more gun per person in Canada than in the US.

well we've got Tim Hortons.

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There's more gun per person in Canada than in the US.

that doesnt detract from his argument at all

just curious, how many anti gunners do we have in this forum?

Ah because it's west of Toronto. There's that wonderful Toronto-centric point of view.

Yes, concern for the environment must mean socialism. The horror!

Let's see..hmmm those wild-eyed hippies in the Alberta legislature must be pushing us on the road to marxism

http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm?ReleaseID=/acn/200712/22769EEFBE725-9D96-985A-E4143B1351544456.html

Or long-haired hippies like this guy:

http://www.pembina.org/author/78 who wrote this marxist rant condemning the oil-sands:

http://www.pembina.org/media-release/1978

Sorry for the long reply time, I got stuck eating dinner...

I can still remember Philip Glass calling me an idiot for not voting for Gilles Duceppe in the last federal election, haha. Duceppe acts over the line at times, he tries too hard to live his dream of separation, like the Quebecois party's leader. I don't feel the need to separate, sincerely. You know english people from the Montreal metropolitan area will keep talking english no matter who rules our province. Sure, french makes us a bit different from the rest of the country, but we should thank our bilingualism for keeping us strong economically. What would improve our lives if Quebec was a country? St-Jean Baptiste (Quebec's national day) is enough to make us feel strong as quebecois people, it is not a matter of borders. I don't see any disadvantages in sharing Canada with the other provinces. I love you, guys.

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:08 AM, chenGOD said:

Yes, concern for the environment must mean socialism. The horror!

Let's see..hmmm those wild-eyed hippies in the Alberta legislature must be pushing us on the road to marxism

http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm?ReleaseID=/acn/200712/22769EEFBE725-9D96-985A-E4143B1351544456.html

 

Or long-haired hippies like this guy:

http://www.pembina.org/author/78 who wrote this marxist rant condemning the oil-sands:

http://www.pembina.org/media-release/1978

 

 

Sorry for the long reply time, I got stuck eating dinner...

I haven't read those links closely but they look like legitimate criticisms and possible improvements. What I'm talking about is stuff like this: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Linking+oilsands+Avatar+pure+science+fiction/2646248/story.html and http://www.capp.ca/environmentCommunity/Climate/Pages/default.aspx#gH7KEqb1tnVg

A lot of the groups that are against the oil sands have a lot of ulterior political motives.

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:02 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

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There's more gun per person in Canada than in the US.

 

that doesnt detract from his argument at all

 

just curious, how many anti gunners do we have in this forum?

i think the majority of us are, judging from that acidphakist thread. i am anti gun.

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:24 AM, chax said:

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:08 AM, chenGOD said:

Yes, concern for the environment must mean socialism. The horror!

Let's see..hmmm those wild-eyed hippies in the Alberta legislature must be pushing us on the road to marxism

http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm?ReleaseID=/acn/200712/22769EEFBE725-9D96-985A-E4143B1351544456.html

 

Or long-haired hippies like this guy:

http://www.pembina.org/author/78 who wrote this marxist rant condemning the oil-sands:

http://www.pembina.org/media-release/1978

 

 

Sorry for the long reply time, I got stuck eating dinner...

 

I haven't read those links closely but they look like legitimate criticisms and possible improvements. What I'm talking about is stuff like this: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Linking+oilsands+Avatar+pure+science+fiction/2646248/story.html and http://www.capp.ca/environmentCommunity/Climate/Pages/default.aspx#gH7KEqb1tnVg

 

A lot of the groups that are against the oil sands have a lot of ulterior political motives.

Did you actually watch that video you linked to in the second link, or read that organization's website at all?

Those unclean flower-power freaks at Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers are really trying to break up the oil industry.

Environmental organizations definitely have a political agenda, and there are some who definitely engage in hyperbole. But the big ones do engage in serious science sometimes, and while they don't always offer solutions, they do bring th epublic's attention to matters that need examining.

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:24 AM, JohnTqs said:

  On 3/22/2010 at 2:02 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

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There's more gun per person in Canada than in the US.

 

that doesnt detract from his argument at all

 

just curious, how many anti gunners do we have in this forum?

 

i think the majority of us are, judging from that acidphakist thread. i am anti gun.

hmm, good to know.

I'm anti gun but I would like to point out that I am most definitely pro murder.

"Guns don't kill people

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I kill people... with guns"

p.s.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

man i cant wait til guns get banned and theres no more freedom

Umm...

ya, i went there.

i will be a REAL CANADIAN soon EH

Ontario's decent but it's all too flat and architecturally sterile for me

[/snob]

  On 3/22/2010 at 5:18 PM, ezkerraldean said:

i will be a REAL CANADIAN soon EH

 

Ontario's decent but it's all too flat and architecturally sterile for me

 

[/snob]

you chose to be canadian? congratulations! i am a british canadian immigrant myself. as i'm sure you are aware, canada has many of its own social problems, however, people that can make an impact on their community for the greater good helping acceptance and understanding of the world, make our country a richer place.

oh, and get ready for the bucket bongs, that BC bud is gonna wreck your head ^_^

  On 3/22/2010 at 5:23 PM, hexson said:

 

you chose to be canadian? congratulations! i am a british canadian immigrant myself. as i'm sure you are aware, canada has many of its own social problems, however, people that can make an impact on their community for the greater good helping acceptance and understanding of the world, make our country a richer place.

 

oh, and get ready for the bucket bongs, that BC bud is gonna wreck your head ^_^

really? where you from originally?

i'll be in the good ol' GTA, at least first (since that's where my parents are and i'm piss poor); i'd much rather live either in Vancouver/Victoria/etc, or way out east somewhere. i can't stand the flat bit.

also lol, the slang for getting hold of ganja where i'm from is "getting post from canada". it's all about the BC green

  On 3/22/2010 at 5:27 PM, ezkerraldean said:

  On 3/22/2010 at 5:23 PM, hexson said:

 

you chose to be canadian? congratulations! i am a british canadian immigrant myself. as i'm sure you are aware, canada has many of its own social problems, however, people that can make an impact on their community for the greater good helping acceptance and understanding of the world, make our country a richer place.

 

oh, and get ready for the bucket bongs, that BC bud is gonna wreck your head ^_^

really? where you from originally?

 

i'll be in the good ol' GTA, at least first (since that's where my parents are and i'm piss poor); i'd much rather live either in Vancouver/Victoria/etc, or way out east somewhere. i can't stand the flat bit.

 

also lol, the slang for getting hold of ganja where i'm from is "getting post from canada". it's all about the BC green

was born in manchester UK and grew up in vancouver/victoria. went back to UK when i was 19, from there went to france and japan. sort of... long story

i was born in the uk, moved to montreal a few years back and I love it. French thing isnt that much of a big deal, but canada rules!!

I was born in Mumbai, India and moved to Edmonton,Alberta approximately seven years ago.Thinking about moving to Toronto or Vancouver in the near future.

Ann Coulter's speech at the University of Ottawa was canceled tonight due to mob rule and violence:

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/posted/archive/2010/03/24/ann-coulter-event-at-the-university-of-ottawa-cancelled-over-security-concerns.aspx

It's disturbing that in Canada the only free speech that's allowed is "liberal" or "left-wing" and there can be no differing of viewpoints or debate even at a university. This feels like 1930's Berlin to be honest