Guest Garkken Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Do you hear something like that? Something similar to the algorithms, I hear in Pt2ph8, See On See, Treale. Questionable in Known(1) and O=0. An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 what would happen if you'd replace algorithms with magic, and Max/MSP with pointy hat? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Garkken Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) On 3/24/2010 at 4:59 PM, Garkken said: Do you hear something like that? Something similar to the algorithms, I hear in Pt2ph8, See On See, Treale and Redfall. Questionable in Known(1) and O=0. An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp. Edited March 24, 2010 by Garkken Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 It's like there's this Mexican dude listening to ae, and he's all, "that's some rhythm!" But it comes out as "es algo ritmo" and then people think it's all generative, but really, it's just a Mexican dude who apparently isn't very good at speaking Spanish in the first place. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyxox Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 7:25 PM, baph said: It's like there's this Mexican dude listening to ae, and he's all, "that's some rhythm!" But it comes out as "es algo ritmo" and then people think it's all generative, but really, it's just a Mexican dude who apparently isn't very good at speaking Spanish in the first place. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscillik Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide oscillik's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? lol Complete fake. Nothing like see on see. Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad. Edited March 24, 2010 by Obel Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscillik Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? entirely and completely fake, yep Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide oscillik's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscillik Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? lol Complete fake. Nothing like see on see. Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad. good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide oscillik's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? lol Complete fake. Nothing like see on see. Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad. good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscillik Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said: good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up. is that how bad the leak sounded? i'm pleased i didn't give the leak any listen Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide oscillik's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 9:22 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said: good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up. is that how bad the leak sounded? i'm pleased i didn't give the leak any listen No idea! The first I heard of Oversteps was the Bleep release Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigs Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) On 3/24/2010 at 4:59 PM, Garkken said: An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp. lol wow this is really really really really really NOT what an algorithm is. an algorithm is essentially a procedure you use to compute a given function over a certain domain. i'd be really amazed if anything on oversteps was generative... like... really amazed. i'm positive they use tons of stutter stuff in their music, i.e. insert randomness to avoid having a same-y beat repeat over and over and add some syncopation, but i'm willing to bet a lot of money these melodies came out of their brains (probably through their fingers). edit: the ae boys mentioned they never released many generative tracks. i'm pretty sure one of the only ones they confirmed was like bine or someth. Edited March 24, 2010 by bigs Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyrofen Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? lol Complete fake. Nothing like see on see. Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad. good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up. That version of "see on see" was actually taken from the German Radio broadcast about 5-7 hours before the leak. I edited out the talking by the DJ that occurs just before and after, so the intro and ending aren't as good as the actual track. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On 3/24/2010 at 10:24 PM, Xyrofen said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said: On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said: I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'. yeah, that'll be a fake then Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl: Bet it is a fake, or? lol Complete fake. Nothing like see on see. Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad. good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube! Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up. That version of "see on see" was actually taken from the German Radio broadcast about 5-7 hours before the leak. I edited out the talking by the DJ that occurs just before and after, so the intro and ending aren't as good as the actual track. Ah, I didn't even realise the name! Haha, nice one. Cheers for clarifying! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1278793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Garkken Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 But what about the bass in Redfall? It sounds rather chaotic. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1279293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) there's definitely generative/rules-based stuff going on within the melodic aspects of Oversteps. they begin with a certain chord or melody and then program their patch to weave around within that melodic 'space'. i wouldn't be surprised if they were using bits of this in the studio as well as live on their current tour. Edited March 25, 2010 by digit Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1279311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 your dick jakced off on me to oversteps, how's that for an algorithm Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1280297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiddleBot Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 maybe there's a mix of generative and written melodies but a lot of things match up so damn wonderfully, eg pt2ph8, the chord progressions, little details like the swelling symphonic pads at the ends of some of the phrases that lead into the next.. the changing timbres of the bass percussive sounds esp towards the end of the track.. if it's all purely generative they clearly put some serious time into making some crazy algorithms Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide TwiddleBot's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1280504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 yerh for all we know it could be made entirely in Ableton Live with a bit of clever arpeggiator fiddling though. Will we ever find out? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1280508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 from the interviews, it seems like oversteps has the most generative stuff since confield. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide azatoth's signature Hide all signatures last.fm the biggest illusion is yourself Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1280511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyxox Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 On 3/26/2010 at 3:58 PM, phling said: yerh for all we know it could be made entirely in Ableton Live with a bit of clever arpeggiator fiddling though. I guess it is. Why not? Now with Max4Live it would be stupid not to use Ableton as sequencer...IMO of course. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1280706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djimbe Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Re: identifying tools and methods, and 'generative or not' just by listening to a track, here is an exercise. I have attached an Aeriae track of mine below. It's not mastered yet so you will need to put your volume dial probably a little higher than usual to get nice volume. Listen through and then tell me if you think it sounds like (a) any particular software was used (b) any particular hardware was used (c ) any particular generative stuff was used After some guesses I'll tell you what I did use. --- aeriae.com Angel Team (mono) (prealbum).mp3Fetching info... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1309980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktait2 Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 all of the above. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1310428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djimbe Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Just software. The only hardware was the computer, no outboard stuff. No generative stuff used at all. I just programmed and moved midi events around manually with the mouse. The thing about generative is I see it more as another tool than an end in itself. It can impart a particular sound, and people often hear that sound and think 'ah, they broke out the generative software', but I don't think you can ever pick it for sure because every outcome can be reached in a ton of different ways. I put up this track in particular because people asked me if I used Max to do the 2nd half sounds especially, but they're just moused. --- aeriae.com Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/54655-algorithms-of-max-msp-in-oversteps/#findComment-1311012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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