Algorithms of max / msp in Oversteps?

Do you hear something like that? Something similar to the algorithms, I hear in Pt2ph8, See On See, Treale. Questionable in Known(1) and O=0.

An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp.

what would happen if you'd replace algorithms with magic, and Max/MSP with pointy hat?

  On 3/24/2010 at 4:59 PM, Garkken said:

Do you hear something like that? Something similar to the algorithms, I hear in Pt2ph8, See On See, Treale and Redfall. Questionable in Known(1) and O=0.

 

An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp.

It's like there's this Mexican dude listening to ae, and he's all, "that's some rhythm!" But it comes out as "es algo ritmo" and then people think it's all generative, but really, it's just a Mexican dude who apparently isn't very good at speaking Spanish in the first place.

  On 3/24/2010 at 7:25 PM, baph said:

It's like there's this Mexican dude listening to ae, and he's all, "that's some rhythm!" But it comes out as "es algo ritmo" and then people think it's all generative, but really, it's just a Mexican dude who apparently isn't very good at speaking Spanish in the first place.

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

lol

Complete fake. Nothing like see on see.

Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad.

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

entirely and completely fake, yep

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

 

lol

 

Complete fake. Nothing like see on see.

 

Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad.

 

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

 

lol

 

Complete fake. Nothing like see on see.

 

Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad.

 

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up.

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said:

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

 

Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up.

is that how bad the leak sounded? i'm pleased i didn't give the leak any listen

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:22 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said:

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

 

Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up.

is that how bad the leak sounded? i'm pleased i didn't give the leak any listen

No idea! The first I heard of Oversteps was the Bleep release

  On 3/24/2010 at 4:59 PM, Garkken said:

An algorithm, I mean random sequence of sounds or sequences may have something else, I am unfamiliar with max / msp.

lol wow this is really really really really really NOT what an algorithm is. an algorithm is essentially a procedure you use to compute a given function over a certain domain.

i'd be really amazed if anything on oversteps was generative... like... really amazed. i'm positive they use tons of stutter stuff in their music, i.e. insert randomness to avoid having a same-y beat repeat over and over and add some syncopation, but i'm willing to bet a lot of money these melodies came out of their brains (probably through their fingers).

edit: the ae boys mentioned they never released many generative tracks. i'm pretty sure one of the only ones they confirmed was like bine or someth.

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

 

lol

 

Complete fake. Nothing like see on see.

 

Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad.

 

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

 

Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up.

That version of "see on see" was actually taken from the German Radio broadcast about 5-7 hours before the leak. I edited out the talking by the DJ that occurs just before and after, so the intro and ending aren't as good as the actual track.

  On 3/24/2010 at 10:24 PM, Xyrofen said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:18 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 9:11 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:55 PM, Obel said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:45 PM, Jonas said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:18 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

yeah, that'll be a fake then

 

Out of track 6 'see on see' from the soulseek dl:

 

Bet it is a fake, or?

 

lol

 

Complete fake. Nothing like see on see.

 

Oversteps is on Youtube man, if you want to listen to it that bad.

 

good call on the real see on see, but fuck me - it sounds like shit on youtube!

 

Yeah, I think it might have been taken from the leak that was flying about before Bleep put it up.

 

That version of "see on see" was actually taken from the German Radio broadcast about 5-7 hours before the leak. I edited out the talking by the DJ that occurs just before and after, so the intro and ending aren't as good as the actual track.

Ah, I didn't even realise the name! Haha, nice one. Cheers for clarifying!

But what about the bass in Redfall? It sounds rather chaotic.

there's definitely generative/rules-based stuff going on within the melodic aspects of Oversteps. they begin with a certain chord or melody and then program their patch to weave around within that melodic 'space'. i wouldn't be surprised if they were using bits of this in the studio as well as live on their current tour.

your dick jakced off on me to oversteps, how's that for an algorithm

maybe there's a mix of generative and written melodies but a lot of things match up so damn wonderfully, eg pt2ph8, the chord progressions, little details like the swelling symphonic pads at the ends of some of the phrases that lead into the next.. the changing timbres of the bass percussive sounds esp towards the end of the track.. if it's all purely generative they clearly put some serious time into making some crazy algorithms

yerh for all we know it could be made entirely in Ableton Live with a bit of clever arpeggiator fiddling though. Will we ever find out?

from the interviews, it seems like oversteps has the most generative stuff since confield.

  On 3/26/2010 at 3:58 PM, phling said:

yerh for all we know it could be made entirely in Ableton Live with a bit of clever arpeggiator fiddling though.

I guess it is. Why not? Now with Max4Live it would be stupid not to use Ableton as sequencer...IMO of course.

Re: identifying tools and methods, and 'generative or not' just by listening to a track, here is an exercise.

I have attached an Aeriae track of mine below. It's not mastered yet so you will need to put your volume dial probably a little higher than usual to get nice volume.

Listen through and then tell me if you think it sounds like

(a) any particular software was used

(b) any particular hardware was used

(c ) any particular generative stuff was used

After some guesses I'll tell you what I did use.

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Angel Team (mono) (prealbum).mp3Fetching info...

all of the above.

Just software. The only hardware was the computer, no outboard stuff. No generative stuff used at all. I just programmed and moved midi events around manually with the mouse.

The thing about generative is I see it more as another tool than an end in itself. It can impart a particular sound, and people often hear that sound and think 'ah, they broke out the generative software', but I don't think you can ever pick it for sure because every outcome can be reached in a ton of different ways.

I put up this track in particular because people asked me if I used Max to do the 2nd half sounds especially, but they're just moused.

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