Algorithms of max / msp in Oversteps?

like Autechre, I think so fast that I must use 2 computers and Eno

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

Yeah, I think we downloaded the same leak. I actually prefer the fake "See on See" to the authentic version. Any idea who authored the fakes?

  On 4/29/2010 at 6:01 AM, Lascaille said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

 

Yeah, I think we downloaded the same leak. I actually prefer the fake "See on See" to the authentic version. Any idea who authored the fakes?

Altered:Carbon

Supercollider is also perfect for semi-generative melodies with a given set of rules. Max/msp is not the end-all be-all.

  On 4/29/2010 at 9:53 AM, serendipity said:

Supercollider is also perfect for semi-generative melodies with a given set of rules. Max/msp is not the end-all be-all.

How is the MIDI support? I'm using Reaktor right now and it sounds great, but I use the mouse all day at work and it would be nice to have something similar but keyboard-based.

oh God this gem of a thread is back

  On 4/29/2010 at 3:01 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 9:53 AM, serendipity said:

Supercollider is also perfect for semi-generative melodies with a given set of rules. Max/msp is not the end-all be-all.

How is the MIDI support? I'm using Reaktor right now and it sounds great, but I use the mouse all day at work and it would be nice to have something similar but keyboard-based.

if you are already into Reaktor, supercollider will seem rather high level in comparison. I couldnt get into super collider because it was very close to actual programming Code, it reminds me a lot more of Csound than it does of Max/msp or reaktor

here are my 2 cents for easy to use generative music making programs

Koan

Nodal (mac only)

Norton (mac only)

Numerology (mac only)

Plogue Bidule

Reaktor

PD

Buzz

  On 4/29/2010 at 11:00 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 3:01 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 9:53 AM, serendipity said:

Supercollider is also perfect for semi-generative melodies with a given set of rules. Max/msp is not the end-all be-all.

How is the MIDI support? I'm using Reaktor right now and it sounds great, but I use the mouse all day at work and it would be nice to have something similar but keyboard-based.

 

if you are already into Reaktor, supercollider will seem rather high level in comparison. I couldnt get into super collider because it was very close to actual programming Code, it reminds me a lot more of Csound than it does of Max/msp or reaktor

 

here are my 2 cents for easy to use generative music making programs

 

Koan

Nodal (mac only)

Norton (mac only)

Numerology (mac only)

Plogue Bidule

Reaktor

PD

Buzz

Cool! I'm assuming you mean "low level" - that's fine w/ me, actually that's kind of what I was getting at, I would like something more code-oriented rather than point and click. I don't mind writing code at all, until March I wrote PHP/Javascript/MySQL for a living and I kind of miss programing.

I used to use PD on a really slow machine and it just felt really awkward to use. I guess you can write your own C modules but I just wasn't a big fan of the workflow and there were some major structural hangups for me, I think particularly around triggering events with audio.

On a PC over here :P

Buzz is cool but I have been using too many trackers lately (Renoise, LGPT, LSDJ) and right now I kind of want to just keep it to the portable stuff and Milky for reasons which are hard to explain. But yeah esp. w/ stuff like the peer machines and PyBuzz it's amazing! I tried it last week though, and only 1 MIDI controller though - wtf? I guess forgot about this limitation.

  On 4/29/2010 at 8:52 AM, reimdont said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 6:01 AM, Lascaille said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 8:13 PM, Jonas said:

I don't know if there are fake oversteps releases on soulseek, but submitted to the hype and dl'd it yesterday to check out. Don't worry, I'm not a fan and am about to trash it in the digital bin, BUT am kind of amazed I can recognize FL Studio's Grossbeat vst on the master-out in track 06 'see on see'.

 

Yeah, I think we downloaded the same leak. I actually prefer the fake "See on See" to the authentic version. Any idea who authored the fakes?

 

Altered:Carbon

Thanks

I've done some sequencers in Bidule and it seems like coding would be better than patching for them, because there are a lot of repeated elements and you'd want them to be a class or an instance or whatever it's called... they take a lot more cpu power than synths because of that too.

  On 4/30/2010 at 3:44 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 11:00 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 3:01 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 4/29/2010 at 9:53 AM, serendipity said:

Supercollider is also perfect for semi-generative melodies with a given set of rules. Max/msp is not the end-all be-all.

How is the MIDI support? I'm using Reaktor right now and it sounds great, but I use the mouse all day at work and it would be nice to have something similar but keyboard-based.

 

if you are already into Reaktor, supercollider will seem rather high level in comparison. I couldnt get into super collider because it was very close to actual programming Code, it reminds me a lot more of Csound than it does of Max/msp or reaktor

 

that's basically the same issue I have with it. For that reason it's probably more powerful than max but I like the visual interface to see how the data/signal path is flowing otherwise I get confused easily.

In Reaktor, and IIRC in PD as well, there were modules specifically oriented at user interface, display, etc. Does SC have counterparts to these? It seems like this could help a lot with visualizing, or at least debugging. I find debugging a little awkward in Reaktor.

I do appreciate the signal flow / modular synth metaphor. But in many cases, code is a far more elegant way to construct data structures. Certain constructs (e.g. sequencers, mixers) lend themselves quite well to object-oriented programming. For example, I'd much rather type out, in one or two lines, the declaration for a 32-element array of channel strip objects than copy + paste starting with a single channel strip module in Max, et al. It's a seemingly minor issue that can grow exponentially.

Also, this isn't really relevant but the idea of sticking with a paradigm simply for the sake of purity/clarity reminds me of this. And it's kind of cool/ridiculous.

http://rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm