The Corporation

  On 4/19/2010 at 12:05 PM, lumpenprol said:

hey, keep in mind some of us here have to watch our blood pressure!

 

seriously though, I'm going to stick my head in the sand on this one, I don't need to be reminded of how wealth and power are continuing to be concentrated in the hands of the very few. China is insane in this regard. A govt official recently responded to the outcry over rising housing prices here by saying "what does it matter to you if the cost of a home has doubled in the past year? Either way, you wouldn't be able to afford it."

China's Market Authoritarianism is the neo-con's wet dream. Dick Cheney would die of priapism if he could exert that kind of control over Americans.

I hate to be the fucker doing this, but corporations have done some good you know. For example...the computer that every single one of you is typing your fervent reponses to this post on? You don't get it this powerful for this cheap without capitalism and corporations.

Corporate personhood, fucked (especially since it originally came not from a supreme court decision or anything but rather from the passing remarks of a judge which were noted by a court reporter in the official court record) and it should be revoked, especially since it is a very selective form of personhood, as in the corporations seem to have all the benefits of being a person with none of the penalties.

But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  On 4/19/2010 at 5:21 PM, JW Modestburns said:

I would also like to recommend a few documentaries by Adam Curtis. The Century of the Self (2002),The Power of Nightmares (2004) and The Trap (2007).

YES

  On 4/19/2010 at 7:16 PM, theSun said:

should i really watch this? zeitgeist 1 and 2 made a lot of good points but i feel like they were less objective than they were trying to convince you of

As others have said: an important point: The Corporation is a very good documentary, thought provoking but well researched. The people that made it have no link to that tin-foil-hat zeitgeist stuff that was on the net.

is this the thread to recommend documentaries then?

Power of Nightmares and Century of the Self are both awesome. Did someone already mention Manufacturing Consent?

Radiant City - not a documentary per se, but an interesting look at suburbia.

Food Inc.

And then some to get you real depressed about humanity.

Fog of War

God Grew Tired of Us

Ghosts of Rwanda

PBS has done a great bunch of documentaries on the history of Asia.

  On 4/19/2010 at 3:23 PM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

i hate all pigs for what they symbolize. i hate capital for it's destruction and commodification of the natural world and ourselves. i refuse to find my livelihood in, or follow the competitive framework of this hugely inflated, stagnant, corporate-consumer spectacle we call society... home. not without personally trying to change it, or dismantle it.

 

"SOCIALISM OR BARBARISM!!!!"

 

get out there out there and participate in your communities and fight the corporate machine!! there are others! yes, there are many others...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JySzR9G5KNc

 

the militarization of police forces facilitates this corporate up-swelling. how much longer will the masses stay comfy in their consumer/worker bubbles is the real question, better yet, how will all the brainwashed right winged patriotic idiots react to this?

 

REAL times o' change are on the horizon, i feel...

i detect hypocrisy; show me how you're not a capitalist

i detect witty boi

watch the ride, prik face

watch it

  On 4/19/2010 at 9:02 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 12:05 PM, lumpenprol said:

hey, keep in mind some of us here have to watch our blood pressure!

 

seriously though, I'm going to stick my head in the sand on this one, I don't need to be reminded of how wealth and power are continuing to be concentrated in the hands of the very few. China is insane in this regard. A govt official recently responded to the outcry over rising housing prices here by saying "what does it matter to you if the cost of a home has doubled in the past year? Either way, you wouldn't be able to afford it."

 

China's Market Authoritarianism is the neo-con's wet dream. Dick Cheney would die of priapism if he could exert that kind of control over Americans.

 

I hate to be the fucker doing this, but corporations have done some good you know. For example...the computer that every single one of you is typing your fervent reponses to this post on? You don't get it this powerful for this cheap without capitalism and corporations.

Corporate personhood, fucked (especially since it originally came not from a supreme court decision or anything but rather from the passing remarks of a judge which were noted by a court reporter in the official court record) and it should be revoked, especially since it is a very selective form of personhood, as in the corporations seem to have all the benefits of being a person with none of the penalties.

But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

if you read my replies you will see that I absolutely agree with you. Corporatism itself isnt under attack, its the idea of an inhuman institute by definition, becoming a human being by US law.

Smettingham Rutherford IV has me on ignore, watch how he won't respond to my post

what am i responding to?

IT WOULD SEEM I WAS WRONGÈD

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:28 PM, zazen said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 7:16 PM, theSun said:

should i really watch this? zeitgeist 1 and 2 made a lot of good points but i feel like they were less objective than they were trying to convince you of

 

As others have said: an important point: The Corporation is a very good documentary, thought provoking but well researched. The people that made it have no link to that tin-foil-hat zeitgeist stuff that was on the net.

are you referring to zeitgeist 1? be specific and try to explain why it has a "tin-foil hat" element to it? From what I understand, everything in that film is linked to a source (at the end credits), and provides social theories based on evidence - e.g. the 9/11 section

anyone who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by terrorists in the Middle East hiding in little caves should only be told 1 word = THERMITE

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  On 4/19/2010 at 10:52 PM, Bread said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:28 PM, zazen said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 7:16 PM, theSun said:

should i really watch this? zeitgeist 1 and 2 made a lot of good points but i feel like they were less objective than they were trying to convince you of

 

As others have said: an important point: The Corporation is a very good documentary, thought provoking but well researched. The people that made it have no link to that tin-foil-hat zeitgeist stuff that was on the net.

are you referring to zeitgeist 1? be specific and try to explain why it has a "tin-foil hat" element to it? From what I understand, everything in that film is linked to a source (at the end credits), and provides social theories based on evidence - e.g. the 9/11 section

anyone who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by terrorists in the Middle East hiding in little caves should only be told 1 word = THERMITE

i naturally automatically distrust any "documentary" with absolutely no direct interviews, that is, members of the arguments responding to the statements made in the movie.

also, I find the religious segment of it, while seemingly well-argued, full of flaws. I personally cannot name them off the top of my head, as I am not well versed in religion, but I do have a friend who is a religious scholar and I think he said the "no one mentioned Jesus during his lifetime" is incorrect.

lastly, the third part is incredibly generalized and I feel that the argument they make for the Venus Project cannot be properly explained in the time allotment they give him. there needs to be more hard statistics in that section/

I agree with some of the things in Zeitgeist, but I disagree with how these ideas are portrayed. I also cant help but sustain disbelief in any documentary that assumes it can diagnose all the wrongs of the world within a 70 min movie.

just for the sake of making a positive point, I thought parts of the federal reserve history and the stock market crashes were well-needed, a lot of those concepts are criminally ignored by most of the public.

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:56 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

i naturally automatically distrust any "documentary" with absolutely no direct interviews, that is, members of the arguments responding to the statements made in the movie.

 

also, I find the religious segment of it, while seemingly well-argued, full of flaws. I personally cannot name them off the top of my head, as I am not well versed in religion, but I do have a friend who is a religious scholar and I think he said the "no one mentioned Jesus during his lifetime" is incorrect.

 

lastly, the third part is incredibly generalized and I feel that the argument they make for the Venus Project cannot be properly explained in the time allotment they give him. there needs to be more hard statistics in that section/

 

I agree with some of the things in Zeitgeist, but I disagree with how these ideas are portrayed. I also cant help but sustain disbelief in any documentary that assumes it can diagnose all the wrongs of the world within a 70 min movie.

I too am not very familiar with the study of religious origins. I grew up (unfortunately) in a very strong Christian background, but that's as far as my knowledge goes of the Christian religion which is, of course, heavily questioned in Zeitgeist 1 - and quite rightly so... I think the initial purpose of Z1 is to get people to question the origins of religious teachings, which causes no harm and encourages critical thinking (which is always a good thing). I can completely understand how the concepts of Christianity have many similarities with Astrology (12 disciples/12 constellations, Pisces the fish [age of Pisces] and Jesus is symbolized by a fish as he lived during the so-called age of Pisces, there's a recurrence of themes in different religions) etc.. I think Peter did quite a good job of showing the similarities.

When you mention The Venus Project - TVP is in Addendum, the second Zeitgeist film. It's true that a resource based economy can be quite a huge theme but obviously with Addendum being a documentary film of only a couple of hours, it's main intention is to expose people to a resource based economy, and then after watching the film, they then conduct the research on an RBE themselves.

What most people forget is that Zeitgeist 1 was never meant to be as big as it is. I recall Peter Joseph claiming the Google counters on Zeitgeist 1 were up to approx 100 million. It was a little project of his before 2007 and he actually never planned on creating any kind of mass awareness as it did. In a way, it has it's positive and negative attributes to the Zeitgeist Movement - unfortunately, some uneducated people attach the "conspiracy tag" to us as a group, when in fact the people part of the movement are far from that crowd - everything to do with the movement is derived from logical, scientific understandings of the world, and how to apply this to society.

the third Zeitgeist film, which is going to be called "Moving Forward" will have many interviews with people of scientific, academic and credible backgrounds to discuss the feasibility of technology to create a resource based economy with current technologies, plus a section on human behaviour and conditioning.

  On 4/19/2010 at 11:15 PM, Bread said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:56 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

i naturally automatically distrust any "documentary" with absolutely no direct interviews, that is, members of the arguments responding to the statements made in the movie.

 

also, I find the religious segment of it, while seemingly well-argued, full of flaws. I personally cannot name them off the top of my head, as I am not well versed in religion, but I do have a friend who is a religious scholar and I think he said the "no one mentioned Jesus during his lifetime" is incorrect.

 

lastly, the third part is incredibly generalized and I feel that the argument they make for the Venus Project cannot be properly explained in the time allotment they give him. there needs to be more hard statistics in that section/

 

I agree with some of the things in Zeitgeist, but I disagree with how these ideas are portrayed. I also cant help but sustain disbelief in any documentary that assumes it can diagnose all the wrongs of the world within a 70 min movie.

I too am not very familiar with the study of religious origins. I grew up (unfortunately) in a very strong Christian background, but that's as far as my knowledge goes of the Christian religion which is, of course, heavily questioned in Zeitgeist 1 - and quite rightly so... I think the initial purpose of Z1 is to get people to question the origins of religious teachings, which causes no harm and encourages critical thinking (which is always a good thing). I can completely understand how the concepts of Christianity have many similarities with Astrology (12 disciples/12 constellations, Pisces the fish [age of Pisces] and Jesus is symbolized by a fish as he lived during the so-called age of Pisces, there's a recurrence of themes in different religions) etc.. I think Peter did quite a good job of showing the similarities.

 

When you mention The Venus Project - TVP is in Addendum, the second Zeitgeist film. It's true that a resource based economy can be quite a huge theme but obviously with Addendum being a documentary film of only a couple of hours, it's main intention is to expose people to a resource based economy, and then after watching the film, they then conduct the research on an RBE themselves.

 

What most people forget is that Zeitgeist 1 was never meant to be as big as it is. I recall Peter Joseph claiming the Google counters on Zeitgeist 1 were up to approx 100 million. It was a little project of his before 2007 and he actually never planned on creating any kind of mass awareness as it did. In a way, it has it's positive and negative attributes to the Zeitgeist Movement - unfortunately, some uneducated people attach the "conspiracy tag" to us as a group, when in fact the people part of the movement are far from that crowd - everything to do with the movement is derived from logical, scientific understandings of the world, and how to apply this to society.

 

the third Zeitgeist film, which is going to be called "Moving Forward" will have many interviews with people of scientific, academic and credible backgrounds to discuss the feasibility of technology to create a resource based economy with current technologies, plus a section on human behaviour and conditioning.

whether you like it or not, you live somewhere

  On 4/19/2010 at 11:17 PM, tht tne said:

whether you like it or not, you live somewhere

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  On 4/19/2010 at 10:38 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 9:02 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 12:05 PM, lumpenprol said:

hey, keep in mind some of us here have to watch our blood pressure!

 

seriously though, I'm going to stick my head in the sand on this one, I don't need to be reminded of how wealth and power are continuing to be concentrated in the hands of the very few. China is insane in this regard. A govt official recently responded to the outcry over rising housing prices here by saying "what does it matter to you if the cost of a home has doubled in the past year? Either way, you wouldn't be able to afford it."

 

China's Market Authoritarianism is the neo-con's wet dream. Dick Cheney would die of priapism if he could exert that kind of control over Americans.

 

I hate to be the fucker doing this, but corporations have done some good you know. For example...the computer that every single one of you is typing your fervent reponses to this post on? You don't get it this powerful for this cheap without capitalism and corporations.

Corporate personhood, fucked (especially since it originally came not from a supreme court decision or anything but rather from the passing remarks of a judge which were noted by a court reporter in the official court record) and it should be revoked, especially since it is a very selective form of personhood, as in the corporations seem to have all the benefits of being a person with none of the penalties.

But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

 

if you read my replies you will see that I absolutely agree with you. Corporatism itself isnt under attack, its the idea of an inhuman institute by definition, becoming a human being by US law.

I wasn't necessarily replying to you :) Just pointing it out.

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:33 PM, tht tne said:

i detect hypocrisy; show me how you're not a capitalist

i'm openly anticapitalist. however, i do participate in this system of entrapment for only the things needed for my survival, and because i simply live in it. that doesn't mean i'm not trying to make the world a better place by speaking or acting out against it, which i attempt to do whenever possible.

i also work a minimum wage job, so yes, like i said, i participate in the system, but am in no way a capitalist or "enterprising". i do so just to get by for the time being.

fuck, i don't know. none of that really proves my antipathy towards the green paper... just trust me when i say it's "antipathy".

  On 4/20/2010 at 1:05 AM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 10:33 PM, tht tne said:

i detect hypocrisy; show me how you're not a capitalist

i'm openly anticapitalist. however, i do participate in this system of entrapment for only the things needed for my survival, and because i simply live in it. that doesn't mean i'm not trying to make the world a better place by speaking or acting out against it, which i attempt to do whenever possible.

 

i also work a minimum wage job, so yes, like i said, i participate in the system, but am in no way a capitalist or "enterprising". i do so just to get by for the time being.

 

fuck, i don't know. none of that really proves my antipathy towards the green paper... just trust me when i say it's "antipathy".

i would immolate myself before participating in capitalism

lol wut? curious to know how you have managed to avoid participating in capitalism

  On 4/20/2010 at 3:46 AM, lumpenprol said:

lol wut? curious to know how you have managed to avoid participating in capitalism

by lovingly hand-crafting every transistor in his computer and laying the fibre directly to the watmm server. mad skillz.

i'm selling hand crafted capacitors right now, hand sculpted and fired in a kiln. all the metals inside were mined myself, melted down and molded. any buyers please pm me

  On 4/20/2010 at 9:17 AM, Awepittance said:

i'm selling hand crafted capacitors right now, hand sculpted and fired in a kiln. all the metals inside were mined myself, melted down and molded. any buyers please pm me

dedication. respeck.