Scintilli

  On 6/10/2010 at 5:28 PM, sirch said:

  On 6/10/2010 at 5:21 PM, magdog said:

can't beat BoC in spring or autumn.

 

or around Jan/Feb time, when it's snowing :)

but Autumn aswell, definitely.... like on Bonfire night.

the snow and starkness of winter.. perfect time for BoC also.. i should have said early spring / late autumn. techno is great at summer time.. well, anything from the states really :)

Can't say I care if BoC ever release anything again nowadays, I'll just stick with their past releases. At least there are regular signs of real life from Plaid, as opposed to semi-retirement with the very occasional remix or production credit.

yeah Plaid are still on it big time! with remixes, live gigs, DJ'ing, collaborations, soundtracks, etc. etc.

they just aren't knocking out the actual 'plaid' releases. but i'm sure they could knock out albums and EP's every year if they really wanted to..

but they obviously only want to release a Plaid album/EP's, on Warp. whenever the time is right. could be 2 years between albums, could be 10.

i admire that really, at the end of the day. it's quality not quantity with them i reckon. even tho it is a tad frustrating for us fans! haha :)

ps. yeah BoC should really do more! wtf, eh. they don't do anything it's quite strange, cos they could make a tidy sum for doing some gigs every now and again!!!! even DJ appearances!! ANYTHING!

  On 6/10/2010 at 9:40 PM, sirch said:

ps. yeah BoC should really do more! wtf, eh. they don't do anything it's quite strange, cos they could make a tidy sum for doing some gigs every now and again!!!! even DJ appearances!! ANYTHING!

That would pretty much damage their mysterious persona characters, for which they are known, amongst other things. I like it that way. It reinforces the quality of their releases, because in the end of the day, it's all about the music.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, they could've released a couple of albums since 2006 and still remained mysterious though! i don't really buy into the whole mysterious thing anyway though. yeah it was cool back in 2002, but that's when they were releasing stuff quite often! i think there's a point the mysterious wonder-thing can get to where people just don't really give a fuck anymore lol, as Caretstik is clearly showing!

i think they should at least do some gigs occasionally. they could even do it from behind a big screen if they wanted to, like Gorillaz, lol

  On 6/11/2010 at 3:51 PM, sirch said:

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, they could've released a couple of albums since 2006 and still remained mysterious though! i don't really buy into the whole mysterious thing anyway though. yeah it was cool back in 2002, but that's when they were releasing stuff quite often! i think there's a point the mysterious wonder-thing can get to where people just don't really give a fuck anymore lol, as Caretstik is clearly showing!

i think they should at least do some gigs occasionally. they could even do it from behind a big screen if they wanted to, like Gorillaz, lol

I know that feeling of having a fresh new release from an act i really like, specially if it is electronic music like BoC, RDJ or Plaid. And i love it.

But i don't think they should keep releasing just because we want. They should put it out whenever they feel like, if they do. If any of them stop releasing stuff for some reason, it's fine for me. Who am i to complain? It would probably be a mess if they released something just to keep people happy.

This is the main difference between mainstream and this electronic music we discuss on WATMM. One makes music that simply satisfies commercial needs and the other makes music coming from a desire of self-expression, that just doesn't pretend to sell, but to be music.

That's why i don't waste time trying to confirm fakes or cry for new releases. If they come, then great. If not, i don't really care. I mean, these artists don't owe us anything.

  On 6/11/2010 at 5:06 PM, ruiagnelo said:

I know that feeling of having a fresh new release from an act i really like, specially if it is electronic music like BoC, RDJ or Plaid. And i love it. But i don't think they should keep releasing just because we want.

that's not really what i was suggesting, nor do i agree they should.. :)

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They should put it out whenever they feel like, if they do. If any of them stop releasing stuff for some reason, it's fine for me. Who am i to complain? It would probably be a mess if they released something just to keep people happy.

i agree, but they could at least do some live gigs every now and again, surely! it's odd why they don't do anything. but who knows why!

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This is the main difference between mainstream and this electronic music we discuss on WATMM. One makes music that simply satisfies commercial needs and the other makes music coming from a desire of self-expression, that just doesn't pretend to sell, but to be music.

i don't agree. there are a lot more differences, like in style and sound and production. plus a lot of mainstream artists express themselves really really well and it's valid and worth something. not all mainstream or pop music is commercial rubbish. a lot of it is 'proper' art.

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That's why i don't waste time trying to confirm fakes or cry for new releases. If they come, then great. If not, i don't really care. I mean, these artists don't owe us anything.

true... and good for you mate.. i can't say i don't care if anything new comes! i want something new faiiiirrrly often (like say every few years) from the artists and musicians i like. but each to their own. :)

but these (slightly) older electronic artists i suppose shouldn't be rushed toooo much though, aye. i mean i can understand people in their 20's and 30's knocking stuff out all the time! cos they naturally have more energy and passion for it.. but it must get harder to keep doing it as much or even wanting to do it, and/or as well as you used to do it, as you approach the big 5 O !

i can get that.

Plaid remain pretty active though, still... which was what we were saying before. so, respect for that!

if only the Boards were as active, it would be a good thing. that's my opinion. and they SHOULD gig more! haha :)

..for their own sakes at least!?? ..or maybe that BMW advert they did a while back has sorted them out financially for a couple of decades!!

(Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)

  On 6/11/2010 at 6:23 PM, sirch said:

 

 

i don't agree. there are a lot more differences, like in style and sound and production. plus a lot of mainstream artists express themselves really really well and it's valid and worth something. not all mainstream or pop music is commercial rubbish. a lot of it is 'proper' art.

Well, i was kinda generalising. Of course there are mainstream artists that make true good music, but the majority don't. And we both know that.

Also, of course there are plenty of differences between mainstream/alternative electronic (or whatever), but that one seems to me to be the main difference.

  On 6/11/2010 at 6:23 PM, sirch said:

..or maybe that BMW advert they did a while back has sorted them out financially for a couple of decades!!

Mate, i don't doubt that. That's what commercials are for

  On 6/11/2010 at 6:32 PM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/11/2010 at 6:23 PM, sirch said:

 

 

i don't agree. there are a lot more differences, like in style and sound and production. plus a lot of mainstream artists express themselves really really well and it's valid and worth something. not all mainstream or pop music is commercial rubbish. a lot of it is 'proper' art.

 

Well, i was kinda generalising. Of course there are mainstream artists that make true good music, but the majority don't. And we both know that.

Also, of course there are plenty of differences between mainstream/alternative electronic (or whatever), but that one seems to me to be the main difference.

 

 

  On 6/11/2010 at 6:23 PM, sirch said:

..or maybe that BMW advert they did a while back has sorted them out financially for a couple of decades!!

 

 

Mate, i don't doubt that. That's what commercials are for

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo @ car commercials though!!!!!!!! that's like selling your soul to the Devil.

they might aswell say on the sleeve of their next album that 'we promote cancer, pollution, untimely death, and the eradication of the countryside for concrete metal motorways' !!!! ......

My personal understanding is artist's that don't have a large ego to maintain aren't bothered about the release process. It's the making of the music and the whole creative aspect which gives them fulfilment. Granted, money pays the bills and fills the belly, but, these aren't the reasons why they create art. This might be why Plaid enjoying playing out live.. they get to play their music to the public whilst still having a form of creative control.

It's only because we can post in forums like this one that we can ask or make known our desire for a release to be made public by an artist. What would happen without this form of technology.. would we be phoning or posting a letter through artists doors asking "when the f**k is this record gonna get released!?!?!" Please understand this only my personal opinion and don't want to change the habits of anyone reading :)

Anyway, as there's always a ton of great music new/old and of different styles to be heard at any given moment, i'm happy to wait without complaint. When the record does come out, i'll buy, love and share it.

I'm sure i heard/seen BoC's "A Beautiful Place..." on a TV advert the other day. Can't remember the ad.. anyone else seen it?

  On 6/13/2010 at 10:48 PM, magdog said:

It's only because we can post in forums like this one that we can ask or make known our desire for a release to be made public by an artist. What would happen without this form of technology.. would we be phoning or posting a letter through artists doors asking "when the f**k is this record gonna get released!?!?!" Please understand this only my personal opinion and don't want to change the habits of anyone reading :)

yeah that's true mate. i certainly wouldn't send wtf letters. i agree forums are the place for that sorta discussion, when you feel like it. :)

my scintilli frustrations thread a short while ago was more a wtf @ the warp business machine. not @ Plaid as artists.

derr, me. this IS my scintilli frustrations thread! just shows how much i pay attention, eh!! LOL :)

Sorry mate.. that's just me having my little rant :) You're right of course, forums are the places to let off a little frustration :)

haha, no problem, magdog.. it's good to have a bit of a rant every now and again! :) no worries mate.

summarised, my main points were/are, that Ed said Scintilli was almost finished back in late 2008. and i don't doubt that it wasn't, or wasn't delivered to Warp when he said, also (later that same year). what i was ranting about really was why oh why on Earth had it not been released by warp yet!? i'm just going on what Ed said in that interview. that it was going to be finished and delivered to warp by the end of 2008. even BEFORE Heaven's Door was completed and delivered!! (from what i gather). so, i think it's done and dusted already. Plaid have done quite a few other things, projects and collabs/ live collabs stuff since Heaven's Door came out. they seem to have completely moved on from Scintilli.... i guess. so, it begs the question.. (and i mean @ warp, not Plaid) "where the f*ck is Scintilli" !!?? LOL. you can keep yer poxy 'move of ten', pfft! lol ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYcLipTv-ew

check it, from 2:47 onwards are the juicey bits.... ;)

Cheers sirch, that's an interesting interview. Sad that so much of their live stuff is not destined for release. And maybe I'm just a tard but what did Ed mean by 'internet stuff' near the end? From what else he was saying it certainly seems that Scintilli is done and dusted as far as Plaid are concerned.

  On 6/15/2010 at 6:05 PM, sirch said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYcLipTv-ew

 

check it, from 2:47 onwards are the juicey bits.... ;)

Anyone know when the video is from? It was posted April 2010 but it's definitely from before Heaven's Door came out. Doesn't really give any clues about Scinitilli being finished though, unless I missed something. I just kept hearing "in the works".

Thanks for sharing regardless.

it's from 2008, mate. like i said before! :)

it's a 'vimeo' video, originally. posted more recently on youtube, obviously.

  On 6/15/2010 at 8:46 PM, sidewinder said:

Doesn't really give any clues about Scinitilli being finished though, unless I missed something.

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]Ed Handley - "normally we spend at least a year on an album.... this we did in 4 months (tekkon kinkreet)"

 

"i don't reckon we'll have the (new) album (Scintilli) finished for a little bit, probably by the autumn, umm, september/october we'll deliver the album, yeah.

then it'll come out quite quick cos it's all internet stuff now. and then the soundtrack album aswell, early next year (2009). another soundtrack album (Heaven's Door)[/i]

i'd say there's some pretty big clues right there.

not that it was definitely finished in that year. but it's 2010 now, obviously. so y'know.. 2 years on. make of it what you will. :)

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Thanks for sharing regardless.

no problem, sidewinder. it's (the interview) actually been posted here several times before in this forum. so i'm not the first to share it or post about it or link to it!

Yeah I just don't read every little bit, it gets tedious and annoying especially when nothing's coming out anyway. I shouldn't even be in here!

  On 6/15/2010 at 6:36 PM, Caretstik said:

Cheers sirch, that's an interesting interview. Sad that so much of their live stuff is not destined for release. And maybe I'm just a tard but what did Ed mean by 'internet stuff' near the end? From what else he was saying it certainly seems that Scintilli is done and dusted as far as Plaid are concerned.

no probs man. glad u found it interesting. it has been posted before tho so i can't claim to be the first here to discover and share it.

and i think he just meant digital download ipod culture. like for eg. you can get 'move of ten' now already from Bleep.. a month before its physical release, innit? - plus with ppl sharing leaks 'n stuff via megaupload, months in advance, etc. etc. etc. , y'know. u'll be able to get it online before it comes out in the shops or is delivered through your front door, no doubt.

that's what i think anyway. :)

  On 6/15/2010 at 9:55 PM, sidewinder said:

Yeah I just don't read every little bit, it gets tedious and annoying especially when nothing's coming out anyway. I shouldn't even be in here!

k, nobody say a word now til Scintilli's release date is announced! lol ;)

ps. you have every right to be in here.

tbh, i don't think this album will ever come out now.... it's been tooooo long.

something went wrong somewhere, and now... i think it's been fucked off, indefinitely, for some strange reason.

i think you'll only ever get to hear what was meant to be on Scintilli, live, now.. in parts. but that's all.

so give up.

just see Plaid live, record all their sets and make ur own albums, innit :D