how clichéd is the glitchy/stutter/IDM sound these days

had a chap say to me other day I used go be into all that IDM glitchy shigt years ago but I'm into my dubstep now

am I becoming the old prog rocker saying shit was better back in the 70's or is it not what you glitch but the way you glitch it?

To me, dubstep got clichéd much faster than IDM (or whateverthefuck) has in 20 years.

agreed with the latter... it's the way you do things that counts. glitch is just like anything else.. a few artists make some cool new shit then everyone else jumps on the bandwagon and before you know it you've got yourself a new subgenre. occasionally you get an artist who develops the idea further

think i might have a date with the elph sometime soon..

  On 6/17/2010 at 8:00 PM, soundwave said:

or is it not what you glitch but the way you glitch it?

both. its what you glitch and the way you glitch it.

and dubstep is pretty cliche at this point (and it hasnt even been around that long...)

Not as cliched as a sodding electro spinback ::shakes fist at youngsters::

  On 6/17/2010 at 8:00 PM, soundwave said:

I am becoming the old prog rocker saying shit was better back in the 70's!

this

People still love cliché IDM depending on who made it. Proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGA68vYFytw

the kids, you see, they don't 'get' the jazz

i listened to a machinedrum album last night and it was a really weird experience because it felt already dated (this was made in 2002) in the same way a Phil Collins 80s production sounds dated. The glitches and 'fills' felt really expected and a product of the times, even though it was only 8 years ago

  On 6/17/2010 at 9:33 PM, Enter a new display name said:

People still love cliché IDM depending on who made it. Proof:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGA68vYFytw

um how the f is that song cliche.

floaty melancholic synth melodies through reverb?

other than that i don't know

Stutter still sounds awesome

there's no right or wrong answer. if you like it you like it. if you don;t you don;t. if you hate it you hate it.

better to say you don;t like something or it's not as good as such and such from way back when, if you really believe that,

than to be a sheep and go along with everyone else and say yeah that new shit by DJ Shit is fuckin brilliant maaaaan. even tho it's not.

but if you really like something.. cool, and it doesn't matter how 'old' it is! even if it's 70's prog rock, lol.. or tired ol' samey IDM.

imho Ae are one of the only few ppl who still do that 'IDM' thing well, and get away with it still lol.

most of the other imitators that jumped on the wagon have fallen by the wayside, imho.

Are you talking about retrigger or just glitch beats?

I'm just hoping that 20 years down the road teenagers find IDM as fun as they do 80s pop today, though that sounds pretty awful to say.

  On 6/18/2010 at 12:55 AM, chassis said:

Are you talking about retrigger or just glitch beats?

its like the snare rush and filter sweeps of the 90's are now the glitch and stutter beat sound is almost like a cliche of 2K

not heard Autecre do this since Untilted and I think the IDM synth pad sound for them is perfectly acceptable seeing as they pretty much invented it in the first place

I was actually listening to Astrobotnia - A1 today, and the way he just glitches the beat more and more through the song made me think that it was some kind of a statement like "Hey, you guys like the glitches how about this?" and he just pushes it more and more until it becomes noise. I personally love glitchy stuff, but not the really "standard" sounding stuff anymore. I like how it can add continuously evolving interesting details. As stated though, there is good and there is bad... Listen to what you like regardless of what others think about it.

Someone called Autechre glitch once, that kind of annoyed me (as much as a comment on a forum can annoy me, anyway) as their music has always sounded like it was perfectly structured. Whereas implying they're glitch says that there are some tripped up sounds.. Right?

Glitch is mostly shit anyway. I think it tired really quickly. Geometry by Jega would be an amazing tune, truly beautiful... if only it didn't have those fucking glitchy edits. It doesn't work whatsoever.

The best glitch I've heard is Moustache by Mr Oizo. It's not just glitching, it's entire tunes created from glitchiness! But it's perfectly done. Also, Sean Booth blatantly robbed those snares from Latex in the Quari live set :P

  On 6/17/2010 at 10:39 PM, Awepittance said:

i listened to a machinedrum album last night and it was a really weird experience because it felt already dated (this was made in 2002) in the same way a Phil Collins 80s production sounds dated. The glitches and 'fills' felt really expected and a product of the times, even though it was only 8 years ago

Yeah, that Machine Drum was the first artist to springs to mind when I read the description. It's still nice though. edIT's first album also sounds very dated nowadays.

  On 6/21/2010 at 2:54 AM, soundwave said:

not heard Autecre do this since Untilted

i take it you haven't heard the quaristice, untilted or oversteps live tour recordings. They use quite a lot of retriggering/rapid fire beats but in a very tasteful and subtle way

  On 6/21/2010 at 5:30 AM, xxx said:

This is why I'm so excited for Macc & dgHon.

lots more where that came from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcnQquAueQc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-glvjB9egk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwxo_A1eCwc

it was american teenagers making something nothing to do with aphex twin then pretending it was the same style

lucky ceephax/analord showed them the truth

now soon there will be some further electronics truth coming out then USA might do some proper music for a change instead of yuck autechre yuck or the yucky USA fake genres like glitch and idm yuck

out of all the "idm" groups id say the only good one was called nautilus on planetmu records. the rest were conned by fake philosophy of fake american idm genre. thanks god thats over. about time idm died, fake genre of america that it always been hehe.

for me venetian snares is the best example

  On 6/25/2010 at 9:43 AM, chunky said:

it was american teenagers making something nothing to do with aphex twin then pretending it was the same style

lucky ceephax/analord showed them the truth

now soon there will be some further electronics truth coming out then USA might do some proper music for a change instead of yuck autechre yuck or the yucky USA fake genres like glitch and idm yuck

 

out of all the "idm" groups id say the only good one was called nautilus on planetmu records. the rest were conned by fake philosophy of fake american idm genre. thanks god thats over. about time idm died, fake genre of america that it always been hehe.

  On 6/25/2010 at 9:43 AM, chunky said:

it was american teenagers making something nothing to do with aphex twin then pretending it was the same style

lucky ceephax/analord showed them the truth

the truth is to go back to obsessing over Ronald gear? I love both of their output but what the hell. Im guessing your post was in jest