i'm fucking sick of reason,live,FL,trackers,whats left?

its not hardware against software its about what to do if software bores you the idea by xy_politics is to actively do something with your hands so you get out of your lazy chair being bored

  On 9/17/2010 at 2:55 PM, soundwave said:

i'm in the same boat, most software daws only allow you to work in a common specific way

^^^^^

what he said

guys

thanks for all the input

i am a proficient guitar player /bass player/keyboardist for a long ass time

its my work flow that is uninspired

i specifically just need a new way of putting crap together

max msp/reaktor looks like its the next step

i need to sack up and dedicate 6 months to this

also thinking about KYMA

but it's not cheap at 3k

  On 9/17/2010 at 3:38 PM, Cryptowen said:

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not really interested in being clever.

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I'd recommend using them as little as you possibly can. Unless you actually do want to sound like everyone else

So...making music that doesn't sound like everyone else does not equal being clever?

I think that making music that doesn't sound like anyone else is more to do with not thinking than anything else. Anyone who sets out with an aim to make music unlike anyone else doesn't stand a good chance of achieving it.

My issue with computers isn't so much with the sound they make - even though there's a lot to be said about that - but more about the psychological and physical space musicians place themselves in when they work on a computer, in front of a screen, a keyboard, a mouse. You can see everything happening. Peaks, troughs, surprises, it's all fed to your brain well in advance, which stops you really listening properly to what you're doing. You are led to think, think, think about all the options and possibilities. Everything can be changed, undone, redone, slightly altered, effected, re-edited, mangled, moved and duplicated. You can create the perfect piece of music! Except you probably won't. I find that working on computers encourages you to keep every crappy idea, get all the tools and plugins out, and see it through to its logical, overproduced, crappy conclusion. Then you realise you've just wasted hours. I find it easier to discard bad ideas much more quickly by not working on computers. I do use a computer, but mostly just for playing around with, not for actual proper music making, with other people. Occasionally it might get switched on to try something, but it usually gets switched off again and just used to record the mixdown.

  On 9/17/2010 at 4:51 PM, xy_politics said:

  On 9/17/2010 at 3:38 PM, Cryptowen said:

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not really interested in being clever.

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I'd recommend using them as little as you possibly can. Unless you actually do want to sound like everyone else

So...making music that doesn't sound like everyone else does not equal being clever?

I think that making music that doesn't sound like anyone else is more to do with not thinking than anything else. Anyone who sets out with an aim to make music unlike anyone else doesn't stand a good chance of achieving it.

 

My issue with computers isn't so much with the sound they make - even though there's a lot to be said about that - but more about the psychological and physical space musicians place themselves in when they work on a computer, in front of a screen, a keyboard, a mouse. You can see everything happening. Peaks, troughs, surprises, it's all fed to your brain well in advance, which stops you really listening properly to what you're doing. You are led to think, think, think about all the options and possibilities. Everything can be changed, undone, redone, slightly altered, effected, re-edited, mangled, moved and duplicated. You can create the perfect piece of music! Except you probably won't. I find that working on computers encourages you to keep every crappy idea, get all the tools and plugins out, and see it through to its logical, overproduced, crappy conclusion. Then you realise you've just wasted hours. I find it easier to discard bad ideas much more quickly by not working on computers. I do use a computer, but mostly just for playing around with, not for actual proper music making, with other people. Occasionally it might get switched on to try something, but it usually gets switched off again and just used to record the mixdown.

none of that matters if you make music for yourself; you're talking from a commercial standpoint... also, there are no bad ideas there's only what you like or dislike

  On 9/17/2010 at 4:54 PM, tht tne said:

none of that matters if you make music for yourself; you're talking from a commercial standpoint... also, there are no bad ideas there's only what you like or dislike

Hmm, commercial, personal, I don't see a difference, the process is the same, a good, true musician just wants to make good, true music whether it's for just themselves or for many others too. And while I'm all for experimentation and "putting things out there", and that a "bad idea" is probably best identified by consensus, I certainly think that it holds true for any piece of music that if there isn't something at its core that is good, then covering it with glossy production isn't going to make it a better piece of music. That's all I mean by a bad idea, not an objective thing, just a decision the musician must make, and preferably early on in the process.

  On 9/17/2010 at 5:17 PM, xy_politics said:

  On 9/17/2010 at 4:54 PM, tht tne said:

none of that matters if you make music for yourself; you're talking from a commercial standpoint... also, there are no bad ideas there's only what you like or dislike

 

Hmm, commercial, personal, I don't see a difference, the process is the same, a good, true musician just wants to make good, true music whether it's for just themselves or for many others too. And while I'm all for experimentation and "putting things out there", and that a "bad idea" is probably best identified by consensus, I certainly think that it holds true for any piece of music that if there isn't something at its core that is good, then covering it with glossy production isn't going to make it a better piece of music. That's all I mean by a bad idea, not an objective thing, just a decision the musician must make, and preferably early on in the process.

fair enough, but what is good, true music? something you enjoy or something you make just to sell?

play the banjo

  On 9/17/2010 at 3:53 PM, yikes said:

  On 9/17/2010 at 2:55 PM, soundwave said:

i'm in the same boat, most software daws only allow you to work in a common specific way

 

^^^^^

what he said

 

 

guys

thanks for all the input

i am a proficient guitar player /bass player/keyboardist for a long ass time

its my work flow that is uninspired

i specifically just need a new way of putting crap together

 

max msp/reaktor looks like its the next step

i need to sack up and dedicate 6 months to this

also thinking about KYMA

but it's not cheap at 3k

soundwave tip of the day - try a G2 with a resistive touch screen

  On 9/17/2010 at 4:51 PM, xy_politics said:

Peaks, troughs, surprises, it's all fed to your brain well in advance, which stops you really listening properly to what you're doing.

you never minimize the window while it plays? maybe lean back and close your eyes? if you do that, the world goes away.

  On 9/17/2010 at 6:13 PM, hahathhat said:

  On 9/17/2010 at 4:51 PM, xy_politics said:

Peaks, troughs, surprises, it's all fed to your brain well in advance, which stops you really listening properly to what you're doing.

 

you never minimize the window while it plays? maybe lean back and close your eyes? if you do that, the world goes away.

This. I never look at meters and such while listening, unless something is badly out of whack and throwing the rest of the track off, until I'm at the end of the writing part of the process. I just write and replay and write and replay until i get what I wanted, then I do the eq'ing/compressing/etc.

Drop the DAW, drop the synths, get Supercollider and play with the big boys.

  On 9/18/2010 at 12:48 AM, Dan C said:

Drop the cheap sequencers get Nuendo, Logic or DP and play with the big boys.

1. awepittance, as always, i love you

2. xy_politics, what. the. fuck. are. you. talking. about. you're on watmm like your sitting on this hot pie of revelation that's just a steaming turd of platitudes. the reality is you're probably not very good with computers so you sit with an electribe and a guitar or someshit and "jam" -> you're pretty much the EVERYHIPSTER. you do realize MOST, probably 90% of the music being thrown about these parts, is made completely inside the box. druqks, or at least the crazy awesome parts of druqks that changed up the whole fucking game, were made inside the box. the advantages of analogue sound are undeniable, but analog sequencing? who fucking does that nowadays expect the like... barely a dozen of hip-hop guys still rocking an mpc and richard doing analord more as an exercise in self-limitation... and of course, you can fucking tell the difference. sorry to unload on you, but you're like the nth pretentious noname punk on this board talking out of his ass on "analogue vs digital". if seeing a fucking wave file while also hearing it impedes your ability to exert quality control on yourself then it just means you don't really have an ear for music, or are a self-important noob, and should either work harder or leave electronic music to the to computer-literate people.

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Drop the DAW, drop the synths, get Supercollider and play with the big boys.

Every time I think about taking the plunge into something like supercolldier I feel like I will never be able to write competent music with it. Please change my fucking mind because, like the OP, I'm so fucking tired of normal daws. I would drop all of my software if I knew that sc was capable of everything I need, but I've never heard anything convincing. Most of the music I write is based around samples so I've been using Renoise for a few years.

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also thinking about KYMA

  On 9/17/2010 at 12:02 PM, chris moss acid said:

  On 9/17/2010 at 8:24 AM, BCM said:

get five12 numerology! it's fucking wicked, can be used with hardware, vst instruments and samples and is the most fun I've had with some music software in years.

 

WOAH! thanks for the tip, ill try it out...no i wont, MAC only.

ah yes, sorry forgot to mention that....

  On 9/17/2010 at 2:15 PM, futuregirlfriend said:

i've gotten sick at this...wait till you goons hear my bogdan razscynski - alright kazoo covers

also

and ya xy_politics I don't know what you're smoking about computers. the 202 is just as complex and frustrating as doing stuff on a comp if this is your beef...and ya what sound does a computer make...?

oh these i guess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cAexKwplgs

not letting me edit, rather i should say that you dont have to look at the waveforms or sequencer when making tunes on the comp...you can still use your ears without having to buy a djembe

Nuendo, Sonar, Cubase, Renoise, Reaper, Electribes (nothing wrong with these, imo, if you spend the time to learn them), Elektrons, etc. etc.

in fact there's nothing wrong with anything! experiment with everything, then stick with one sequencer, i say..

but try to use some hardware with it (analog+digital) wherever you can, aswell as samples and softwares. 'cos it's just a lot more fun, imo.

and you feel like you're actually making real music when you use hardware, (well at least i do anyway) instead of just clicking a mouse inside some little music making computer game. although that can be a lot of fun for a while.

i bought a qy 700 for 200 bucks

next up is an akai s6000 and a roland d2 or mc 505 and or maybe a dave smith tetra

i am trying to do a hardware studio for 1500 - 2000 total

  On 9/17/2010 at 5:33 AM, Wall Bird said:

Perhaps an acoustic instrument?

find a way to set everything to random. press record. edit.

  On 10/1/2010 at 4:31 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

oh, i forgot to say, get on the mic and rant conspiracy theories over the mess.

<-would listen.

  On 10/1/2010 at 4:39 AM, Hanratty said:

  On 10/1/2010 at 4:31 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

 

 

oh, i forgot to say, get on the mic and rant conspiracy theories over the mess.

oh ok mousey

i think this statement alone renders you outside this discussion presetty

"This update is great for me. I dont make my own instruments, just mess with the ensembles, but the electronic instruments 1 and 2 are excellent, as is the lazerbass ensemble. i find it as stable as before the update (crashed sometimes when switching ensembles, same now as it was then)."

he likes presets

why even use reaktor toy?

need i say more?

sure

where are your tracks heavyweight?