should i mixer ?

Whether you are intentionally bypassing my point or not, it's still facepalm city. NO COMPANY MAKES COMPLETELY CONSISTENT IN QUALITY PRODUCTION WITH NO DEVIATION IN GOODNESS OR BADNESS EVERY YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

Keep your friends and enemies the same no matter what they do.

Gina is the same girl she was in junior high even though she just slept with your cousin and Tommy is still a dickhead just like he was in college even though he just moved to haiti to adopt 5 children and make houses for the homeless mothers.

Nothing ever changes EVER.

GINA SLEPT WITH MY COUSIN!?!?

She sure did, better back hand that cunt and tell her she fucked up. While you're at it apologize to Tommy for all the endless shit you have been taking about him all these years. He finally got his shit together.

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:29 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

She sure did, better back hand that cunt and tell her she fucked up. While you're at it apologize to Tommy for all the endless shit you have been taking about him all these years. He finally got his shit together.

You didn't hear that Tommy fled to Haiti because he was being investigated for ?

Hence the adoptions...

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:34 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

ya get an audio interface but dont get a presonus cuz they suck shit

What? I've always heard great things about the sound of PreSonus pres and have enjoyed them myself.

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

I'm also not a fan of Alesis, as a lot of the time the design of their stuff just feels convoluted and it's usually just par for sound.

Did you know the 303 was meant as a backing bass synth for singers?

  On 10/5/2010 at 8:14 PM, chassis said:

Did you know the 303 was meant as a backing bass synth for singers?

 

 

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bass backing for guitar players you goon you

  On 10/5/2010 at 8:19 PM, sneaksta303 said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 8:14 PM, chassis said:

Did you know the 303 was meant as a backing bass synth for singers?

 

 

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bass backing for guitar players you goon you

sneaks 1, chassis 0

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:30 PM, wake said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:29 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

She sure did, better back hand that cunt and tell her she fucked up. While you're at it apologize to Tommy for all the endless shit you have been taking about him all these years. He finally got his shit together.

You didn't hear that Tommy fled to Haiti because he was being investigated for ?

Hence the adoptions...

You would come up with a dumb rumor like that you evil cunt. (I am Tommy and that's not true I never did anything wrong to you besides calling you fat that one time in communications 101)((I'm sorry but don't say shit about me that you have no idea is really true or not))

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

Nah. The BCR 2000 is really solidly made, powerful firmware, nothing else on the market quite like it.

And they make component-for-component reissues of Boss pedals that go for hundreds on ebay and they charge $30 for them. I now have a Dimension-C ($300)and a VB2 Vibrato ($300)

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:34 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

ya get an audio interface but dont get a presonus cuz they suck shit

What? I've always heard great things about the sound of PreSonus pres and have enjoyed them myself.

 

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

 

I'm also not a fan of Alesis, as a lot of the time the design of their stuff just feels convoluted and it's usually just par for sound.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD fucking look at my above posts. Aren't you seeing that you guys both have conflicting rumormongering preconceptions from limited experience with companies that go through varying quality changes from product to product. One guy could have a PreSonus that was manufactured early on in Korea and it could have failed on him after 2 months but you got a Presonus firewire that was manufactured second generation from a manufacturing plant in China that has been working perfectly for 5 years.

Your making drastic over simplification generalizations on companies that make products with hundreds of different transistors, pots and gum gum drops from different suppliers that change in quality from different engineers, ownership and manufacturing all the time. Sure their are some companies that stay pretty well the same over the years but they still are going to back something mediocre or even stuff that fails on people really quickly from time to time.

You can name off specific experiences that you had with a specific piece of gear from a specific time in a companies life. But saying Presonus sucks cause one time I had a Presonus 412 Mic Pre-Amp that I got used at Martys Pawn shop and it distorted a lot and had tons of signal noise. I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I used a 50 dollar used condenser microphone to feed into it with 3 dollar used radioshack cables and I nearly always turned the gain all the way up because I wanted it sound hot yo and I have no understanding of simple audio production science. (what most negative audio gear rumors come from)((really biased specific experiences and then they just go PreSonus SUCKS!!))

  On 10/5/2010 at 10:15 PM, analogue wings said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

 

Nah. The BCR 2000 is really solidly made, powerful firmware, nothing else on the market quite like it.

 

And they make component-for-component reissues of Boss pedals that go for hundreds on ebay and they charge $30 for them. I now have a Dimension-C ($300)and a VB2 Vibrato ($300)

Hmm, I'll have to check out these pedals you speak of.

I've just had shitty experience with everything Behringer I've owned. We had a PA and a couple amps, and I have an audio interface, and all have them have just had the worst build quality and have fallen apart and sounded sub-par.

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

This is a really bad over generalization. Maybe some of the gear they made from 95' to 2002' or something might have been low quality but again shit changes and generation to generation quality can differ dramatically.

The newest generation Behringer mixer I suggested above is only $130 dollars and I wasn't that worried about it being top quality I just needed a mixer for a show. I tried it out before I got it at guitar center and was impressed but have realized over the months that its literally one of the best mixers of its kind I have used. I feed it all sorts of audio and it does not degrade the signal in the least it sounds clear, punchy, phat, prestine, tight. the thing has less white noise hum than a few 600 dollar mackie mixers I have used. It's built in compression works great and is very transparent. Their is no pops or clicks when I tap the mute buttons like crossfaders, the volume faders are smoooth as butter, its not a bad looking mixer at all. I have heard a few behringer mixers made around 2000 that had lots of white noise when you brought the gain up at all and just didn't show much sign of quality. this is a completely different scenario.

ITS FUCKING FLAWLESS AND HAS MORE FEATURES THAN ANY OTHER MIXER IN ITS PRICE RANGE AND ITS A BEHRINGER

you're over generalizations and dedications are going to make you miss out on better products that are better priced from time to time if you don't open your mind

  On 10/5/2010 at 10:32 PM, wahrk said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 10:15 PM, analogue wings said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

 

Nah. The BCR 2000 is really solidly made, powerful firmware, nothing else on the market quite like it.

 

And they make component-for-component reissues of Boss pedals that go for hundreds on ebay and they charge $30 for them. I now have a Dimension-C ($300)and a VB2 Vibrato ($300)

Hmm, I'll have to check out these pedals you speak of.

 

I've just had shitty experience with everything Behringer I've owned. We had a PA and a couple amps, and I have an audio interface, and all have them have just had the worst build quality and have fallen apart and sounded sub-par.

It's all about strategic deployment. You either plan to replace it as soon as you can afford it, or you think "what could they not possibly fuck up?" - I have a behringer patch bay for example.

In the case of pedals, you wouldnt get them for on-stage actual stomp box use because LOL PLASTIC. But hey thirty fucken bux. Get someone to re-house it for you for another 30 and you've still saved $240.

I never got one of those rackmount compressor/gate/limiters that everyone had a few years ago cos I was like "this sounds like a job for anyone-but-behringer", but now I'm hearing about cool producers using them as secret studio weapons. Plus they are on ebay for like 20 bucks.

Secret knowledge - the following Behringer pedals clone the circuits of rare and expensive Boss pedals:

Boss DC-2 Dimension-C - Behringer CC300 Chorus Space-C

Boss DC-3 Digital Dimension - Behringer CD400 Chorus Space-D

Boss DF-2 Super Distortion Feedbacker - Behringer FD300 Ultra Feedback / Distortion

Boss SP-1 Spectrum - Behringer SE200 Spectrum Enhancer

Boss SG-1 Slow Gear - Behringer SM200 Slow Motion

Boss VB-2 Vibrato - Behringer UV300 Ultra Vibrato

Boss PN-2 Tremolo/Pan - Behringer TP300 Ultra Tremolo/Pan

  On 10/5/2010 at 10:27 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 5:40 PM, wahrk said:

  On 10/5/2010 at 12:34 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

ya get an audio interface but dont get a presonus cuz they suck shit

What? I've always heard great things about the sound of PreSonus pres and have enjoyed them myself.

 

Also, Behringer anything is the worst (though cheapest) you can get unless Radioshack makes that type of equipment.

 

I'm also not a fan of Alesis, as a lot of the time the design of their stuff just feels convoluted and it's usually just par for sound.

 

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD fucking look at my above posts. Aren't you seeing that you guys both have conflicting rumormongering preconceptions from limited experience with companies that go through varying quality changes from product to product. One guy could have a PreSonus that was manufactured early on in Korea and it could have failed on him after 2 months but you got a Presonus firewire that was manufactured second generation from a manufacturing plant in China that has been working perfectly for 5 years.

 

Your making drastic over simplification generalizations on companies that make products with hundreds of different transistors, pots and gum gum drops from different suppliers that change in quality from different engineers, ownership and manufacturing all the time. Sure their are some companies that stay pretty well the same over the years but they still are going to back something mediocre or even stuff that fails on people really quickly from time to time.

 

You can name off specific experiences that you had with a specific piece of gear from a specific time in a companies life. But saying Presonus sucks cause one time I had a Presonus 412 Mic Pre-Amp that I got used at Martys Pawn shop and it distorted a lot and had tons of signal noise. I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I used a 50 dollar used condenser microphone to feed into it with 3 dollar used radioshack cables and I nearly always turned the gain all the way up because I wanted it sound hot yo and I have no understanding of simple audio production science. (what most negative audio gear rumors come from)((really biased specific experiences and then they just go PreSonus SUCKS!!))

You're right to an extent. But I have a problem with a company that would let enough low quality products slip through that I could end up owning 4 different products that are all of inferior quality. But anyway, to me and from my experience and from the majority of people I know who have owned Behringer equipment, you're getting what you pay for. It's almost always the cheapest stuff available in pro audio, and it's usually the the lowest quality product you can get that still works acceptably. That's kinda Behringer's steez. They're not out to make the best stuff.

Other people's experiences may conflict, but I'm just saying that that is what I have encountered.

And Alesis is a whole other thing. The quality's fine. It's just the design the peeves me. Alesis stuff never seems intuitive to me.

I understand your perspective completely but people say shit like Peavey sucks ass and all their gear is horrible like its gods absolute truth 111% of the time everytime. When even though a lot of their gear is cheese dick, some of this shit they make is pretty good and the the 2002 Peavey 5150 that they made with one specific power transformer is one of the greatest modern high gain distortion amps the world has ever known.

I just want people to see things more dynamically sometimes.

  On 10/6/2010 at 12:37 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I understand your perspective completely but people say shit like Peavey sucks ass and all their gear is horrible like its gods absolute truth 111% of the time everytime. When even though a lot of their gear is cheese dick, some of this shit they make is pretty good and the the 2002 Peavey 5150 that they made with one specific power transformer is one of the greatest modern high gain distortion amps the world has ever known.

 

I just want people to see things more dynamically sometimes.

Yeah, I'm with you there. I was a little too blunt and snooty. I also exaggerate stuff a lot. I kinda want a personal disclaimer that says, "This guy blows stuff out of proportion for effect sometimes."

One of the guitarists in my old band had a 5150 that actually sounded pretty decent. Not my style, but cool. It got tons of Spanish radio though. In guitar amps, for me, I don't see how Crate's so big. I can't stand the way they sound personally.

But ANYWAY, enough shit-talking about gear. This thread's about mixers and whether or not yek should get one.

  On 10/6/2010 at 12:51 AM, wahrk said:

  On 10/6/2010 at 12:37 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I understand your perspective completely but people say shit like Peavey sucks ass and all their gear is horrible like its gods absolute truth 111% of the time everytime. When even though a lot of their gear is cheese dick, some of this shit they make is pretty good and the the 2002 Peavey 5150 that they made with one specific power transformer is one of the greatest modern high gain distortion amps the world has ever known.

 

I just want people to see things more dynamically sometimes.

Yeah, I'm with you there. I was a little too blunt and snooty. I also exaggerate stuff a lot. I kinda want a personal disclaimer that says, "This guy blows stuff out of proportion for effect sometimes."

 

One of the guitarists in my old band had a 5150 that actually sounded pretty decent. Not my style, but cool. It got tons of Spanish radio though. In guitar amps, for me, I don't see how Crate's so big. I can't stand the way they sound personally.

 

But ANYWAY, enough shit-talking about gear. This thread's about mixers and whether or not yek should get one.

it's all good, i was enjoying the conversation

i found this the other day, what y'all think?

it's hella cheap

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-10-Input-Stereo-Mixer-?sku=630138

  On 10/6/2010 at 1:47 AM, yek said:

  On 10/6/2010 at 12:51 AM, wahrk said:

  On 10/6/2010 at 12:37 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I understand your perspective completely but people say shit like Peavey sucks ass and all their gear is horrible like its gods absolute truth 111% of the time everytime. When even though a lot of their gear is cheese dick, some of this shit they make is pretty good and the the 2002 Peavey 5150 that they made with one specific power transformer is one of the greatest modern high gain distortion amps the world has ever known.

 

I just want people to see things more dynamically sometimes.

Yeah, I'm with you there. I was a little too blunt and snooty. I also exaggerate stuff a lot. I kinda want a personal disclaimer that says, "This guy blows stuff out of proportion for effect sometimes."

 

One of the guitarists in my old band had a 5150 that actually sounded pretty decent. Not my style, but cool. It got tons of Spanish radio though. In guitar amps, for me, I don't see how Crate's so big. I can't stand the way they sound personally.

 

But ANYWAY, enough shit-talking about gear. This thread's about mixers and whether or not yek should get one.

 

 

 

it's all good, i was enjoying the conversation

 

i found this the other day, what y'all think?

 

 

it's hella cheap

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-10-Input-Stereo-Mixer-?sku=630138

You should get an audio interface.

I can nearly guarantee the Behringer 1204 Mixer I use is better than that Yamaha. This guys review of that specific yamaha mixer is probably the most accurate.

Nice Features, Below Average Sound Quality

Posted by Rhythm Signal from Texas on Jun 19, 2009

Experience w/product: I own it

Reviewer's Background: Engineer, Musician, Producer,Label Owner

Reviewer's Play Style: Whatever I want and whatever I'm paid to do

Maybe I got a lemon. I do like the features especially the low cut and compressor which are hard to find on inexpensive, small mixers but the sound really bothers me. Any time something is run through the Yamaha, low end and 1kHz on up are heavily altered leaving a boxy sounding instrument. Even a tone deaf, inexperienced novice like my wife (her words not mine) can clearly hear the difference when comparing 3 different ways - direct signal, the Yamaha MG102C, and a Mackie 32/8. Also the preamps are weak, needing a lot of gain as compared to 3 other mixers I own (behringer and 2 mackies). I can get kind of close to the original sound using the EQ (which isn't that great either) but there really shouldn't be this drastic of a change in sound.

  On 10/6/2010 at 3:10 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I can nearly guarantee the Behringer 1204 Mixer I use is better than that Yamaha. This guys review of that specific yamaha mixer is probably the most accurate.

 

Nice Features, Below Average Sound Quality

Posted by Rhythm Signal from Texas on Jun 19, 2009

Experience w/product: I own it

Reviewer's Background: Engineer, Musician, Producer,Label Owner

Reviewer's Play Style: Whatever I want and whatever I'm paid to do

Maybe I got a lemon. I do like the features especially the low cut and compressor which are hard to find on inexpensive, small mixers but the sound really bothers me. Any time something is run through the Yamaha, low end and 1kHz on up are heavily altered leaving a boxy sounding instrument. Even a tone deaf, inexperienced novice like my wife (her words not mine) can clearly hear the difference when comparing 3 different ways - direct signal, the Yamaha MG102C, and a Mackie 32/8. Also the preamps are weak, needing a lot of gain as compared to 3 other mixers I own (behringer and 2 mackies). I can get kind of close to the original sound using the EQ (which isn't that great either) but there really shouldn't be this drastic of a change in sound.

I heard Behringer mixers were awful?

You're so lols I can't even compute the roflcopters to lols ratio.

You should get a mixer.