Your Ultimate DAW

  On 11/15/2010 at 8:26 PM, wahrk said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 8:15 PM, yek said:

my fave app )DAW?) is acid pro. very easy to use and does everything i want it too.

Really? I ain't hatin', but I always thought Acid was really lacking in most features. Maybe I wasn't doing it right (or maybe I just haven't used it in a while).

well as long as you are using it to record shit. the midi sequencing sucks.

Ableton

Emagic Logic 2.5 for the Atari

(although technically it's not really a DAW)

  On 11/15/2010 at 8:30 PM, yek said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 8:26 PM, wahrk said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 8:15 PM, yek said:

my fave app )DAW?) is acid pro. very easy to use and does everything i want it too.

Really? I ain't hatin', but I always thought Acid was really lacking in most features. Maybe I wasn't doing it right (or maybe I just haven't used it in a while).

well as long as you are using it to record shit. the midi sequencing sucks.

Ah, that would be why. I rarely record for my wahrk stuff. Just the occasional guitar part.

  On 11/15/2010 at 7:19 PM, Cryptowen said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 7:15 PM, bigfatLOL said:

you see that hard drive drum machine clip on youtube?

 

Don't think I have. I did see a few videos of guys who used midi-to-relay circuits, which is the route I'm going. I think there might also be some possibilities with using a CV Out as a trigger.

  On 11/15/2010 at 6:08 PM, bigfatLOL said:

have fun getting it working right, usually it will inexplicably fail randomly and youll spend all day trying to figure it out only to have the problem disappear randomly as well.

are you sure it's Reaper itself and not a VSt or plugin causing it to crash? In Cubase or Logic 90% of the time it's crashed it's due to a buggy plugin

  On 11/15/2010 at 10:55 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 6:08 PM, bigfatLOL said:

have fun getting it working right, usually it will inexplicably fail randomly and youll spend all day trying to figure it out only to have the problem disappear randomly as well.

 

are you sure it's Reaper itself and not a VSt or plugin causing it to crash? In Cubase or Logic 90% of the time it's crashed it's due to a buggy plugin

can definitely relate there. especially when using plugins that are of questionable origin

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:02 PM, oscillik said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 10:55 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 6:08 PM, bigfatLOL said:

have fun getting it working right, usually it will inexplicably fail randomly and youll spend all day trying to figure it out only to have the problem disappear randomly as well.

 

are you sure it's Reaper itself and not a VSt or plugin causing it to crash? In Cubase or Logic 90% of the time it's crashed it's due to a buggy plugin

can definitely relate there. especially when using plugins that are of questionable origin

True dat.

I also fucking hate it when plugins don't save their patch/pattern/whatever data with a song, so that when you reload the song you have to reselect the patch and/or make all your adjustments again. If you didn't save your sound you're fucked. Current perpetrator: Audio Damage Tattoo. Grrrr.

Logic is brilliant. It's where everything comes together. I wouldn't have it any other way. You can combine the midi and the audio perfectly, there is nothing more to add to the actual song sequencing part. Also the effects and all are very, very easy to implement. Ableton is good but I don't like working that way at all unless I'm trying to make a live performance. I need the "gooey-ness" of Logic. It's very moldable while Ableton and Renoise feel more cubist.

The automation is a bit irritating tho, particularly when trying to get really in depth which is what I like to do. Renoise certainly has a huge one up on that level - the automation is amazing for specific notes and that. So perhaps I'll just buy Renoise and "Rewire" it or whatever into Logic. That seems logical.

Sequencing is really, really important. I need multiple different ways to sequence. The sequencing is really the heart of the actual music, apart from the sounds, and different ways to sequence make your mind open up to new possibilities in structure and so on. For instance, the Logic piano roll is fantastic. It's great for writing the melodies and synth lines and all that. That's fine. There are small things that I don't understand or that aren't available that I need to figure out but I'll save that for later. But for DRUM SEQUENCING, I need something different. Something completely dedicated to in depth drum sequencing and tweaking that IS NOT the piano roll and also is not Ultrabeat (loading samples is too time consuming but that sequencer is so good... dammit). And Renoise is good but the vertical thing throws me off, I don't like it yet. Then again I've only just started using it.

I heard about something called Numerology, I'll look into that.

On top of all this I want to have some actual real hardware synths to work with so I can craft my own sounds. That's probably the next step for me. I need to be able to sequence the notes using the piano roll in Logic and basically just use the sounds from the hardware when I lay down the mix. My sample collection is really good, I've got all the drum samples from old records and all that, and some other stuff. I don't know what else I could add to my arsenal other than some hardware to take it up a notch.

So basically I love Logic, but I need some new sequencing techniques to mess with the audio. Everything other than that is dependent on me venturing into the world of hardware, modular synths, tapes, and all around true non-computer based sonic experimentation.

  On 11/16/2010 at 4:54 AM, vamos scorcho said:

Logic is brilliant. It's where everything comes together. I wouldn't have it any other way. You can combine the midi and the audio perfectly, there is nothing more to add to the actual song sequencing part. Also the effects and all are very, very easy to implement. Ableton is good but I don't like working that way at all unless I'm trying to make a live performance. I need the "gooey-ness" of Logic. It's very moldable while Ableton and Renoise feel more cubist.

 

The automation is a bit irritating tho, particularly when trying to get really in depth which is what I like to do. Renoise certainly has a huge one up on that level - the automation is amazing for specific notes and that. So perhaps I'll just buy Renoise and "Rewire" it or whatever into Logic. That seems logical.

 

Sequencing is really, really important. I need multiple different ways to sequence. The sequencing is really the heart of the actual music, apart from the sounds, and different ways to sequence make your mind open up to new possibilities in structure and so on. For instance, the Logic piano roll is fantastic. It's great for writing the melodies and synth lines and all that. That's fine. There are small things that I don't understand or that aren't available that I need to figure out but I'll save that for later. But for DRUM SEQUENCING, I need something different. Something completely dedicated to in depth drum sequencing and tweaking that IS NOT the piano roll and also is not Ultrabeat (loading samples is too time consuming but that sequencer is so good... dammit). And Renoise is good but the vertical thing throws me off, I don't like it yet. Then again I've only just started using it.

 

I heard about something called Numerology, I'll look into that.

 

On top of all this I want to have some actual real hardware synths to work with so I can craft my own sounds. That's probably the next step for me. I need to be able to sequence the notes using the piano roll in Logic and basically just use the sounds from the hardware when I lay down the mix. My sample collection is really good, I've got all the drum samples from old records and all that, and some other stuff. I don't know what else I could add to my arsenal other than some hardware to take it up a notch.

 

 

So basically I love Logic, but I need some new sequencing techniques to mess with the audio. Everything other than that is dependent on me venturing into the world of hardware, modular synths, tapes, and all around true non-computer based sonic experimentation.

have you tried battery for sequencing drums? some people swear by it.

  On 11/16/2010 at 7:12 AM, yek said:

  On 11/16/2010 at 4:54 AM, vamos scorcho said:

Logic is brilliant. It's where everything comes together. I wouldn't have it any other way. You can combine the midi and the audio perfectly, there is nothing more to add to the actual song sequencing part. Also the effects and all are very, very easy to implement. Ableton is good but I don't like working that way at all unless I'm trying to make a live performance. I need the "gooey-ness" of Logic. It's very moldable while Ableton and Renoise feel more cubist.

 

The automation is a bit irritating tho, particularly when trying to get really in depth which is what I like to do. Renoise certainly has a huge one up on that level - the automation is amazing for specific notes and that. So perhaps I'll just buy Renoise and "Rewire" it or whatever into Logic. That seems logical.

 

Sequencing is really, really important. I need multiple different ways to sequence. The sequencing is really the heart of the actual music, apart from the sounds, and different ways to sequence make your mind open up to new possibilities in structure and so on. For instance, the Logic piano roll is fantastic. It's great for writing the melodies and synth lines and all that. That's fine. There are small things that I don't understand or that aren't available that I need to figure out but I'll save that for later. But for DRUM SEQUENCING, I need something different. Something completely dedicated to in depth drum sequencing and tweaking that IS NOT the piano roll and also is not Ultrabeat (loading samples is too time consuming but that sequencer is so good... dammit). And Renoise is good but the vertical thing throws me off, I don't like it yet. Then again I've only just started using it.

 

I heard about something called Numerology, I'll look into that.

 

On top of all this I want to have some actual real hardware synths to work with so I can craft my own sounds. That's probably the next step for me. I need to be able to sequence the notes using the piano roll in Logic and basically just use the sounds from the hardware when I lay down the mix. My sample collection is really good, I've got all the drum samples from old records and all that, and some other stuff. I don't know what else I could add to my arsenal other than some hardware to take it up a notch.

 

 

So basically I love Logic, but I need some new sequencing techniques to mess with the audio. Everything other than that is dependent on me venturing into the world of hardware, modular synths, tapes, and all around true non-computer based sonic experimentation.

have you tried battery for sequencing drums? some people swear by it.

Battery can't sequence drums can it? I fidgeted with it for a bit, and I'm pretty sure it's just a sampler, albeit a fucking awesome one.

vamos, I'm pretty sure you just need to take some time to sit down and get used to Renoise, as it sounds exactly like what you need. I can enjoy myself doing almost everything else in other DAWs, but for drums I just feel naked trying to recreate the minute editing I employ in Renoise. It does take some getting used to, but once you get accustomed to it, you won't know how you ever lived without it.

I was fortunate, as my initial Renoise learning experience was my recovery time from getting my wisdom teeth out, so I couldn't go out at all and I was on a bunch of pills, so I just sat in my room reading through the manual, crawling through demo tracks, and staring at the keyboard shortcuts and pattern commands for hours (when I wasn't meticulously organizing my Aphex Twin and Venetian Snares collections that I had only recently completed).

Also, if you want something that will work in Logic instead of just with, check out reViSiT. It is suuuper well-designed and, while it as well takes some getting used to, it's super powerful. I plan on using it more with REAPER in the near future. You can get the pro version for free through the reViSiT Experiment.

booourns on only having VST and PC support...

The sequencer view of Reaper combined with everything else of Buzz would be bloody awesome.

i love nuendo

hate pro tools

logic is douched but effective

i hate most DAWs they are all so …..cold

i love metasynth been fucking with the demo

renoise is great

raktor looks so sick but shit how many programs can one guy learn

reason is great

i don't ableton like live but can appreciate it

i like tape better than a hard drive but its expensive

i want to fuck with chucK and max msp and super collider and kyma and rewireALL of em together

  On 11/16/2010 at 4:55 PM, yikes said:

i love nuendo

hate pro tools

logic is douched but effective

i hate most DAWs they are all so …..cold

i love metasynth been fucking with the demo

renoise is great

raktor looks so sick but shit how many programs can one guy learn

reason is great

i don't ableton like live but can appreciate it

i like tape better than a hard drive but its expensive

i want to fuck with chucK and max msp and super collider and kyma and rewireALL of em together

ChucK is the shizzzz.

- Logic

- with Adobe Audition 2.0 built in and integrated,

- and midi ox built in with a midi feedback eliminator

- with good quality MODERN synth control templates (ie: bring back and majorly update sounddiver) for analog/digital synths that lack a decent interface, or that you want to control inside the box. Generic, terribly laid out templates do not cut it.

- do not want the clicks, pops, audio pauses that turning on vsts in cubase creates

- live and remix functions of abelton without the wonky interface

- integrated dj/live tools (ie deckadance, traktor) that run smooth and without issue as part of the program and not as a plug in

Also I would like this for PC plz thx.

- cubase's "pool"

- cubase's midi/seq/arp inserts

- step sequencer from Vaz Modular

- total integration (midi and audio) with Korg Electribe EMX and SX

- cubase and logics nice plugs that come with the progs

- An interface that looks nothing like an apple screen and that you can customize

MOST IMPORTANT:

Easy, seamless recall of a session, including all external hardware being sent a program change signal so you can call up a song live and tweak out all the hardware as if you were right in the middle of the original recording.

I like cubase and all but the only reason i use it is b/c they stopped making logic for Windows machines. I never have a desire to own an Apple computer and am quite happy with souped up quadcore and higher pcs with tons of ram and a great FSB.

EDIT: Forgot, easy export for Pro Tools sessions for mixing/mastering in other studios. Cubase does this now so I assume Logic can , but just in case! I do not like pro tools and never want to have to use it to make something compatible.

  On 11/15/2010 at 7:05 PM, Cryptowen said:

Buzz hasn't failed me yet as far as a DAW goes.

Ha! I'm sorry man, but if you never crashed Buzz, you've either only used the new revival or never used Buzz

Slick one, Brandi.

  On 11/16/2010 at 5:58 PM, acid1 said:

  On 11/15/2010 at 7:05 PM, Cryptowen said:

Buzz hasn't failed me yet as far as a DAW goes.

 

Ha! I'm sorry man, but if you never crashed Buzz, you've either only used the new revival or never used Buzz

Oh, I've crashed it plenty (years ago when I first started I actually caused my motherboard to melt from overheating while using Buzz). I just mean that I've never felt limited by the software.