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  On 12/16/2010 at 6:25 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

 

I agree with a lot of what is being said, but I do have to nitpick at the "rich, privileged white men" part of it. This goes back and sort of culminates with Charles Beard at the turn of the century, but he's only telling a half truth. If you look closely at a lot of their personal documents, and their public speeches, the idea of their privilege was to lead by example...with the radicalism of the republican experiment at the forefront, their job as the top class was to provide a benevolent or rather "enlightened paternalism"...every aspect of Washington's character, and certainly much of Madison and Jefferson's were based on this principle, so if they were lying to the public,they were certainly lying to themselves.

 

The idea was that eventually the public would become such a radically transformed and motivated populous upholding republicanism, that UNLESS the ruling class maintained and upheld a dignified, enlightened, knowledgeable and rational sense of character, they would be replaced by someone who would do it better...Jefferson and in many cases Paine said it should be done by force if need be. And a lot of that is transparency, maybe not in their words, but they certainly paint the same picture.

 

Just to clear that up, Gordon Wood, Carol Berkin, and others to an extent have challenged Beard's interpretation of those lads...not to say that there isn't some hypocrisy in what they were saying (Jefferson was well aware that successive generations would mock his unabashed hatred for slavery while at the same time owning a huge plantation). But to paint the broad brush that they didn't in some sense believe what they were saying has been trumped pretty badly by modern historians.

I do have some knowledge about Beard's work (as opposed to other people you cited, so I cannot give you any thought on that), and I give him credit for being right in most cases. I can't get around the fact that industrial revolution sprung the power of economy. And at that time, there have been huge clashes of interest groups (most notable being the infamous communist vs. capitalist) gaining their 'territory'. But the capitalist had the certain advantage. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it did make easier for some to gain power, just by being able to buy their rights (and their way to key decision making positions).

 

So, I'd just like to emphasize your last thoughts (about the successive generations). Even though the initial idea was to 'hold the torch for freedom' with leading by example, the successive generations are clearly enjoying the fruits which their elders seeded. But those fruits are now rotten in the core. Whatever their nature was at the beginning.

 

I bother to watch some foreign news channels from time to time (but I don't have to, for it is evident everywhere else too), and I can see that some important officials don't have a clue about their field of work. For instance, you can easily have a defense secretary that has a degree in agriculture. You can have internal affairs minister who is basically a dropped out medicine student. Now how can that go through? And then I hear, for instance, that Joe Barton (at the time of the BritishPetroleum disaster) doesn't have a clue about how oil is being produced in nature in the first place, yet he is there to lead the congressional hearing about the problem. Or that majority of american political arguments are somewhat based on the bible. I know this might be a blunt example, but I hope I'm getting any clearer.

 

And sorry for the offtopic, it just seemed relevant to me to discuss broader issue of today's world. Assange was just a detonator for my time bomb.heh :trashbear:

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no it isn't. they're rolling out a supremely irritating new feature that basically removes the abilities to post paragraphs in responses to status updates at present (yes, really)

  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

  On 12/16/2010 at 10:38 PM, kaini said:

no it isn't. they're rolling out a supremely irritating new feature that basically removes the abilities to post paragraphs in responses to status updates at present (yes, really)

 

lol wat

 

Mark Zuckerberg Person of the Year 2010! FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

Supporters liken Bradley Manning’s detention to torture

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/supporters-bradley-manning-detention-torture/

 

Daniel Ellsberg got arrested at a recent protest - Dozens of activists, including the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers on the Vietnam War, were arrested Thursday at the White House as they protested the Afghanistan conflict and defended WikiLeaks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/war-opponents-arrested-white-house/

 

Things are very interesting in the world at the moment - and for the most part, 2010 has been a critical year. We have had the Wikileaks situation (Embassy cables/Iraq + Afghan Logs/Collateral Murder video), many protests across areas of Europe for most of the year, the UK student protests over tuition fees, TSA touching people up in the US and the "police state" scenario in parts of the world becoming very possible and imminent in the near future based on current economic trends, austerity measures and internet censorship, the Gulf oil spill.. I hope people wake up and unite for a better world amongst all of this happening.

  On 12/16/2010 at 10:40 PM, karmakramer said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:38 PM, kaini said:

no it isn't. they're rolling out a supremely irritating new feature that basically removes the abilities to post paragraphs in responses to status updates at present (yes, really)

 

lol wat

 

Mark Zuckerberg Person of the Year 2010! FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

 

when you press return, facebook now interprets it as 'lol, i'm done. post that shit!'

it's fucking horrible. it also now auto-tags people in status updates.

  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

i haven't tested that. but the 'comment' button seems to be gone.

 

assange to c4 - there are a number of forces "pushing together for their perceived mutual interest" to try to keep him in custody and get him extradited, eventually to the US.

 

http://www.channel4.com/news/wikileaks-assange-ongoing-attempts-to-extradite-me-to-us

 

hopefully video should be available to people outside the uk/ireland.

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  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

  On 12/16/2010 at 10:56 PM, kaini said:

assange to c4 - there are a number of forces "pushing together for their perceived mutual interest" to try to keep him in custody and get him extradited, eventually to the US.

 

that quote which channel 4 have emphasised is a bit more conspiracy-ey than what he actually said which was:

 

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"This is a complex case, there are a number of motivations at play - those include the United States, certain political forces that have to do with domestic politics in Sweden, probably personal jealousies... all these factors intermixed.

 

"Like any rare event it is the combination of all these forces pushing together for their perceived mutual interest."

  On 12/16/2010 at 10:41 PM, Bread said:

Supporters liken Bradley Manning’s detention to torture

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/supporters-bradley-manning-detention-torture/

 

Daniel Ellsberg got arrested at a recent protest - Dozens of activists, including the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers on the Vietnam War, were arrested Thursday at the White House as they protested the Afghanistan conflict and defended WikiLeaks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/war-opponents-arrested-white-house/

 

Things are very interesting in the world at the moment - and for the most part, 2010 has been a critical year. We have had the Wikileaks situation (Embassy cables/Iraq + Afghan Logs/Collateral Murder video), many protests across areas of Europe for most of the year, the UK student protests over tuition fees, TSA touching people up in the US and the "police state" scenario in parts of the world becoming very possible and imminent in the near future based on current economic trends, austerity measures and internet censorship, the Gulf oil spill.. I hope people wake up and unite for a better world amongst all of this happening.

 

 

hate to be the fatalist yet again but I can't help but feel this will not happen, and if it does, will be an incredibly violent and repressive perversion of what "a better world" entails.

 

but then again, ive been told us fatalists are merely depressed and jaded optimists...so time will tell.

  On 12/16/2010 at 7:15 PM, Awepittance said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 6:51 AM, lumpenprol said:

 

 

As far as I can tell, Facebook has created a new form of networking throughout the entire globe. That's important.

 

but you do realize that Time got 10x more votes for Assange and purposefully side stepped him, right? sure you can make the argument that facebook is 'more important' than wikileaks, but you can't say that Time fairly chose the most popular person of the year.

 

it's person of the year, not most popular person of the year...anyway I don't give a shit, and would have preferred seeing another shot of Julian's smug mug and immortal hair, too

After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside.

- lost cloud

 

I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work!

 

So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces.

-organized confused project

Went to a non-official berlin-wikileaks meeting today, unfortunatly the were talking about the working class/world revolution for half of the time :cerious:

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  On 12/17/2010 at 3:29 AM, tontonz said:

 

that is an internet ISP that hosts 2 computers for wikileaks :emotawesomepm9:

  On 12/16/2010 at 10:41 PM, kaini said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:40 PM, karmakramer said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:38 PM, kaini said:

no it isn't. they're rolling out a supremely irritating new feature that basically removes the abilities to post paragraphs in responses to status updates at present (yes, really)

 

lol wat

 

Mark Zuckerberg Person of the Year 2010! FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

 

when you press return, facebook now interprets it as 'lol, i'm done. post that shit!'

it's fucking horrible. it also now auto-tags people in status updates.

 

 

One paragraph=640k :)

백호야~~~항상에 사랑할거예요.나의 아들.

 

Shout outs to the saracens, musulmen and celestials.

 

  On 12/17/2010 at 4:01 AM, chenGOD said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:41 PM, kaini said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:40 PM, karmakramer said:
  On 12/16/2010 at 10:38 PM, kaini said:

no it isn't. they're rolling out a supremely irritating new feature that basically removes the abilities to post paragraphs in responses to status updates at present (yes, really)

 

lol wat

 

Mark Zuckerberg Person of the Year 2010! FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

 

when you press return, facebook now interprets it as 'lol, i'm done. post that shit!'

it's fucking horrible. it also now auto-tags people in status updates.

 

 

One paragraph=640k :)

 

they seem to have sorted it out now. whether due to a great disturbance in the internet or an intern mashing keys like a fucking spaz, who knows?

  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

“TIME’s person of the year is Mark Zuckerberg. Sorry Julian Assange, I guess you didn’t violate enough peoples privacy.”

 

- Stephen Colbert

:emotawesomepm9:

look at the comments on that rap news vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbCwq4ewBU&feature=watch_response

there's an awful lot of talk of viewcount manipulation

 

just so this post has new content, here's rap news 4 which also kills it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3adw9oLBkBI&feature=player_embedded

 

holy crap rap news 2 samples goblin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jHe5OjAm_E&feature=related

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  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

interview with rap news conducted by my sister Abby Martin, in case anyone missed it -

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

interesting new article on my gay lover Glenn Greenwald's blog, basically talking about how the US is trying to break Manning down so that he accuses Assange of coercing him into leaking classified documents. This is problematic since if they end up prosecuting Assange for this, they'd basically have to prosecute any newspaper too that tried to influence a source to leak them classified information. Talk about a slippery slope!

 

Getting to Assange through Manning

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  On 12/17/2010 at 10:53 PM, Awepittance said:

interesting new article on my gay lover Glenn Greenwald's blog, basically talking about how the US is trying to break Manning down so that he accuses Assange of coercing him into leaking classified documents. This is problematic since if they end up prosecuting Assange for this, they'd basically have to prosecute any newspaper too that tried to influence a source to leak them classified information. Talk about a slippery slope!

 

Getting to Assange through Manning

 

Yikes this is scary shit.

 

I bet they are trying to draw up some deals with Manning

Edited by karmakramer

assange says there's a secret commission in virginia trying to come up with as plausible a charge as they can as we speak. and i believe him.

Edited by kaini
  On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said:

I know IDM can be extreme

  On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said:

this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield

wait a few weeks, till the hubbub dies down, exchange and his execution happens. people get up in arms and protest again, few weeks go by and it dies down again. problem solved huzzah US.

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