Lossless BOC

It seems like it's very difficult to find lossless copies of non-official BOC material. Does anyone know where to get any? I will happily swap my mother for any copies.

On the BOC pages it claims that the 2 or 3 live bootlegs available only circulate as lossy mp3s. However, I have a FLAC copy of the 10th Anniversary-1999-11-05 Old Truman Brewery show that tests as lossless in 'traders little helper'.

Surely there must be more lossless stuff circulating somewhere. Get in touch if you have any (I've mentioned it before, but I'd love to get my hands on A Few Old Tunes in lossless format - someone must have the original cassette(s) from which a high-quality lossless transfer could be made)

dR

you won't find them. because they don't exist

  On 12/3/2010 at 10:42 AM, verticalhold said:

you won't find them. because they don't exist

Lossless versions don't exist? Or the cassettes in the 1st place don't exist?

The former.

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:15 AM, mcbpete said:

The former.

But if originals do exist, then, in theory, it's possible to make lossless transfers, no?

I was always told that it's not possible to get hold of lossless live BOC shows, but I eventually got my hands on one...

someone's hiding them all in a drawer somewhere!

originals of the live shows, maaaaaaaaybe. but old tunes etc no

I remember when Watmm was hosting a load of bootlegs the BoC shows were uploaded as flacs. I downloaded them and looked at them through a spectrum analyzer. The top end was chopped pretty hard so it was obvious that these were reencoded mp3s. Never seen a truly lossless version of the love shows or OT.

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:23 AM, davidraphael said:

But if originals do exist, then, in theory, it's possible to make lossless transfers, no?

I was always told that it's not possible to get hold of lossless live BOC shows, but I eventually got my hands on one...

Well yeah - you're right about that (Unless they were recorded on some mp3 Dictaphone type thing, though given the dates that seems unlikely). As for the lossless show you own - are you sure it's lossless or has someone just transcoded the mp3 back into flac thinking it'll somehow magic back all the frequencies again ?

  On 12/6/2010 at 6:57 PM, mcbpete said:

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:23 AM, davidraphael said:

But if originals do exist, then, in theory, it's possible to make lossless transfers, no?

I was always told that it's not possible to get hold of lossless live BOC shows, but I eventually got my hands on one...

Well yeah - you're right about that (Unless they were recorded on some mp3 Dictaphone type thing, though given the dates that seems unlikely). As for the lossless show you own - are you sure it's lossless or has someone just transcoded the mp3 back into flac thinking it'll somehow magic back all the frequencies again ?

It's lossless according to Traders Little Helper, unlike the Sussex show which some hapless individual converted to Flac from mp3.

  On 12/3/2010 at 10:19 AM, davidraphael said:

It seems like it's very difficult to find lossless copies of non-official BOC material. Does anyone know where to get any? I will happily swap my mother for any copies.

 

On the BOC pages it claims that the 2 or 3 live bootlegs available only circulate as lossy mp3s. However, I have a FLAC copy of the 10th Anniversary-1999-11-05 Old Truman Brewery show that tests as lossless in 'traders little helper'.

 

Surely there must be more lossless stuff circulating somewhere. Get in touch if you have any (I've mentioned it before, but I'd love to get my hands on A Few Old Tunes in lossless format - someone must have the original cassette(s) from which a high-quality lossless transfer could be made)

 

dR

You're new here so let me politely say that requests for illegal MP3s/FLACs are frowned upon, and making threads requesting so is a no-no.

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:28 AM, verticalhold said:

originals of the live shows, maaaaaaaaybe. but old tunes etc no

The only live show I know of (because I have it) in lossless (mine is a CD made from the original audio recording on MD) is the Lighthouse gig. There are Old Tunes and BoC Maxima (the only other BoC unreleased material 'in the wild' besides the Old Tunes) in lossless format.

  On 12/6/2010 at 9:11 PM, Joyrex said:

There are Old Tunes and BoC Maxima (the only other BoC unreleased material 'in the wild' besides the Old Tunes) in lossless format.

Is it safe to assume that these files are not floating around on p2p networks? Sorry if it's a naive question, I've never really looked into it...

speaking of quality recordings does anyone know where it's possible to buy the original Aquarius/Chinook MP3s? read on discogs that they were on Skam's webstore:

"If you buy these tracks from Skam's MP3 download store, "Aquarius" has a running time of 6:10, and "Chinook" is 7:25. What's on the MP3s are the same versions as what's on the original 7" single. Presumably, the MP3s were made from the master tapes, so their track times are probably more accurate than what's listed here at discogs. (I guess the timings listed here were estimated from playback on a turntable that was running slightly fast.)"

and yet the store reads "Skam Mp3's, Flaks, Wavs etc are available at all major stores World Wide.

For now this shop specialises in hard product. Enjoy."

would really like the 7" of this eventually but having something other then a vinyl rip would be great

Chinook is fucking gold. help me out here

  On 12/6/2010 at 9:11 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 12/3/2010 at 10:19 AM, davidraphael said:

It seems like it's very difficult to find lossless copies of non-official BOC material. Does anyone know where to get any? I will happily swap my mother for any copies.

 

On the BOC pages it claims that the 2 or 3 live bootlegs available only circulate as lossy mp3s. However, I have a FLAC copy of the 10th Anniversary-1999-11-05 Old Truman Brewery show that tests as lossless in 'traders little helper'.

 

Surely there must be more lossless stuff circulating somewhere. Get in touch if you have any (I've mentioned it before, but I'd love to get my hands on A Few Old Tunes in lossless format - someone must have the original cassette(s) from which a high-quality lossless transfer could be made)

 

dR

 

You're new here so let me politely say that requests for illegal MP3s/FLACs are frowned upon, and making threads requesting so is a no-no.

 

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:28 AM, verticalhold said:

originals of the live shows, maaaaaaaaybe. but old tunes etc no

 

The only live show I know of (because I have it) in lossless (mine is a CD made from the original audio recording on MD) is the Lighthouse gig. There are Old Tunes and BoC Maxima (the only other BoC unreleased material 'in the wild' besides the Old Tunes) in lossless format.

Apologies, I had no idea that unofficial recordings (ie, non-commercial material) were illegal. As a collector of many years I've looked into the issue and not found any legal precedent that shows trading unofficial/unreleased material to be truly illegal as such. Selling, yes, absolutely, but not trading/swapping.

Still, if it's a rule on this forum I certainly won't make such requests again.

Thanks for the heads-up

dR

  On 12/7/2010 at 2:39 AM, homecharlie said:

  On 12/6/2010 at 9:11 PM, Joyrex said:

There are Old Tunes and BoC Maxima (the only other BoC unreleased material 'in the wild' besides the Old Tunes) in lossless format.

 

Is it safe to assume that these files are not floating around on p2p networks? Sorry if it's a naive question, I've never really looked into it...

They're out there...

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:00 AM, davidraphael said:

  On 12/6/2010 at 9:11 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 12/3/2010 at 10:19 AM, davidraphael said:

It seems like it's very difficult to find lossless copies of non-official BOC material. Does anyone know where to get any? I will happily swap my mother for any copies.

 

On the BOC pages it claims that the 2 or 3 live bootlegs available only circulate as lossy mp3s. However, I have a FLAC copy of the 10th Anniversary-1999-11-05 Old Truman Brewery show that tests as lossless in 'traders little helper'.

 

Surely there must be more lossless stuff circulating somewhere. Get in touch if you have any (I've mentioned it before, but I'd love to get my hands on A Few Old Tunes in lossless format - someone must have the original cassette(s) from which a high-quality lossless transfer could be made)

 

dR

 

You're new here so let me politely say that requests for illegal MP3s/FLACs are frowned upon, and making threads requesting so is a no-no.

 

  On 12/3/2010 at 11:28 AM, verticalhold said:

originals of the live shows, maaaaaaaaybe. but old tunes etc no

 

The only live show I know of (because I have it) in lossless (mine is a CD made from the original audio recording on MD) is the Lighthouse gig. There are Old Tunes and BoC Maxima (the only other BoC unreleased material 'in the wild' besides the Old Tunes) in lossless format.

 

Apologies, I had no idea that unofficial recordings (ie, non-commercial material) were illegal. As a collector of many years I've looked into the issue and not found any legal precedent that shows trading unofficial/unreleased material to be truly illegal as such. Selling, yes, absolutely, but not trading/swapping.

Still, if it's a rule on this forum I certainly won't make such requests again.

Thanks for the heads-up

 

dR

Regardless of whether music (or any art) is commercially released or not, it still retains a copyright by the original creator/publisher. By spreading and dealing in unreleased material, you deprive the artists of any potential future profit if they were to commercially release said material. Even 'trading' without commercial gain is hurtful due to dissemination (the 'copy' you swap is not the only copy in existence, and each successive swap creates another copy the artist loses (potential) revenue on. Not to mention the artist's inability to control the quality, method, format or channels of distribution due to personal exchanges or sharing of the file, they are further deprived (and some would argue incentive) of releasing and profiting from said material.

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:14 PM, Joyrex said:

Regardless of whether music (or any art) is commercially released or not, it still retains a copyright by the original creator/publisher. By spreading and dealing in unreleased material, you deprive the artists of any potential future profit if they were to commercially release said material. Even 'trading' without commercial gain is hurtful due to dissemination (the 'copy' you swap is not the only copy in existence, and each successive swap creates another copy the artist loses (potential) revenue on. Not to mention the artist's inability to control the quality, method, format or channels of distribution due to personal exchanges or sharing of the file, they are further deprived (and some would argue incentive) of releasing and profiting from said material.

It could also be argued that dissemination increases an artist's fan base and therefore revenue, even if not all of the fans actually purchase a copy it would still reach a wider audience. People can not go around blaming the internet and digital age for everything. 60 years ago Boards of Canada wouldn't sell a single album because mainstream radio would never have gone for it. One cannot both praise internet radio for exposure and allowing artists to explore new genres and ideas and condemn someone if they choose to rip a stream of said station. If artists and producers used their brains they would put 2+2 together (should be possible for BoC) and cater to the market which, regardless of its moral stance (subjective), is the future of sound and the recording industry. Perhaps someone would sell lossless format files online for a fair price and hopefully cut as many of the middle men as possible, whom the consumers $ typically go to anyway and our OP wouldn't be looked upon as a criminal, just as someone who wants real value for what he/she pays.

P.S. CDs do not deliver real value

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:25 PM, Scrambled Ears said:

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:14 PM, Joyrex said:

Regardless of whether music (or any art) is commercially released or not, it still retains a copyright by the original creator/publisher. By spreading and dealing in unreleased material, you deprive the artists of any potential future profit if they were to commercially release said material. Even 'trading' without commercial gain is hurtful due to dissemination (the 'copy' you swap is not the only copy in existence, and each successive swap creates another copy the artist loses (potential) revenue on. Not to mention the artist's inability to control the quality, method, format or channels of distribution due to personal exchanges or sharing of the file, they are further deprived (and some would argue incentive) of releasing and profiting from said material.

It could also be argued that dissemination increases an artist's fan base and therefore revenue, even if not all of the fans actually purchase a copy it would still reach a wider audience. People can not go around blaming the internet and digital age for everything. 60 years ago Boards of Canada wouldn't sell a single album because mainstream radio would never have gone for it. One cannot both praise internet radio for exposure and allowing artists to explore new genres and ideas and condemn someone if they choose to rip a stream of said station. If artists and producers used their brains they would put 2+2 together (should be possible for BoC) and cater to the market which, regardless of its moral stance (subjective), is the future of sound and the recording industry. Perhaps someone would sell lossless format files online for a fair price and hopefully cut as many of the middle men as possible, whom the consumers $ typically go to anyway and our OP wouldn't be looked upon as a criminal, just as someone who wants real value for what he/she pays.

 

P.S. CDs do not deliver real value

the reason old tunes will probably never be officially released is because so much of it infringes upon other copyrighted material through sampling. it was never supposed to be publicly released in the first place. even if it were to be released I think anyone who heard the leak and liked it would be even more inclined to buy the finished product. although I don't think they intentionally wanted these tapes to be heard, its viral effect certainly didn't deprive them of profit.. if anything it just helped feed the fanbase's interest in the band. basically I don't think free distribution of material such as this is doing any harm.. it's already been floating around for five years

also still looking for confirmation of whether or not Aquarius/Chinook had an official MP3 release.

and for those who haven't heard it yet, this is probably the best live recording of boc available

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-y8HNhJkyM

  On 12/7/2010 at 9:26 PM, viscosity said:

and for those who haven't heard it yet, this is probably the best live recording of boc available

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-y8HNhJkyM

Is this really legit, sounds more like a fan remix. If it is though, where the foley mc.chinnery is the rest of that set - I want !

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:25 PM, Scrambled Ears said:

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:14 PM, Joyrex said:

Regardless of whether music (or any art) is commercially released or not, it still retains a copyright by the original creator/publisher. By spreading and dealing in unreleased material, you deprive the artists of any potential future profit if they were to commercially release said material. Even 'trading' without commercial gain is hurtful due to dissemination (the 'copy' you swap is not the only copy in existence, and each successive swap creates another copy the artist loses (potential) revenue on. Not to mention the artist's inability to control the quality, method, format or channels of distribution due to personal exchanges or sharing of the file, they are further deprived (and some would argue incentive) of releasing and profiting from said material.

It could also be argued that dissemination increases an artist's fan base and therefore revenue, even if not all of the fans actually purchase a copy it would still reach a wider audience. People can not go around blaming the internet and digital age for everything. 60 years ago Boards of Canada wouldn't sell a single album because mainstream radio would never have gone for it. One cannot both praise internet radio for exposure and allowing artists to explore new genres and ideas and condemn someone if they choose to rip a stream of said station. If artists and producers used their brains they would put 2+2 together (should be possible for BoC) and cater to the market which, regardless of its moral stance (subjective), is the future of sound and the recording industry. Perhaps someone would sell lossless format files online for a fair price and hopefully cut as many of the middle men as possible, whom the consumers $ typically go to anyway and our OP wouldn't be looked upon as a criminal, just as someone who wants real value for what he/she pays.

 

P.S. CDs do not deliver real value

Nice try - playing something online via streaming radio is akin to "the old days" when a song was played on terrestrial radio, and if I wanted to, I could record it to cassette - that's not the point here. To use your analogy, rather than record it off the internet, someone has gone and grabbed the master hq file and is making copies of that without the artists' consent.

The other part of your argument is valid though (promotion through free music and sample songs) - the difference being is BoC aren't putting these out for people to hear - those who have pirated and disseminated these songs are doing so without BoC's permission.

P.S.: CDs DO deliver real value - come 15 years from now, do you honestly think you'll be able to get more copies of your digital media without paying a "recovery" fee to get it?

Food for thought.

  On 12/7/2010 at 8:14 PM, Joyrex said:

Regardless of whether music (or any art) is commercially released or not, it still retains a copyright by the original creator/publisher. By spreading and dealing in unreleased material, you deprive the artists of any potential future profit if they were to commercially release said material. Even 'trading' without commercial gain is hurtful due to dissemination (the 'copy' you swap is not the only copy in existence, and each successive swap creates another copy the artist loses (potential) revenue on. Not to mention the artist's inability to control the quality, method, format or channels of distribution due to personal exchanges or sharing of the file, they are further deprived (and some would argue incentive) of releasing and profiting from said material.

  On 12/6/2010 at 9:11 PM, Joyrex said:

The only live show I know of (because I have it) in lossless (mine is a CD made from the original audio recording on MD) is the Lighthouse gig.

The words Pot, Kettle and Black spring to mind. Or, perhaps Holier, Than and Thou.

  On 12/7/2010 at 10:29 PM, Joyrex said:

P.S.: CDs DO deliver real value - come 15 years from now, do you honestly think you'll be able to get more copies of your digital media without paying a "recovery" fee to get it?

 

Food for thought.

some more food for thought

any storage medium has it's failure point. that goes for vinyl, cassette, optical media, or hard disk based.

  On 12/7/2010 at 10:02 PM, mcbpete said:

  On 12/7/2010 at 9:26 PM, viscosity said:

and for those who haven't heard it yet, this is probably the best live recording of boc available

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-y8HNhJkyM

Is this really legit, sounds more like a fan remix. If it is though, where the foley mc.chinnery is the rest of that set - I want !

dunno about the rest of the set, but this one was on their official Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/boardsofcanada#p/c/221B13914A7EF3A2/0/h-y8HNhJkyM

  On 12/8/2010 at 1:08 AM, viscosity said:

  On 12/7/2010 at 10:02 PM, mcbpete said:

  On 12/7/2010 at 9:26 PM, viscosity said:

and for those who haven't heard it yet, this is probably the best live recording of boc available

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-y8HNhJkyM

Is this really legit, sounds more like a fan remix. If it is though, where the foley mc.chinnery is the rest of that set - I want !

 

 

dunno about the rest of the set, but this one was on their official Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/boardsofcanada#p/c/221B13914A7EF3A2/0/h-y8HNhJkyM

this is the live version for sure. excellent!

off topic but more into the live boc topic:

always been fond of the live version of Telephasic Workshop, myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1qKLKRRIoU

  On 12/21/2010 at 5:37 PM, Homestar Runner said:

off topic but more into the live boc topic:

always been fond of the live version of Telephasic Workshop, myself.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1qKLKRRIoU

Man, those chopped vocals are so fucking fantastic. I wish they would release more tracks like that.