iZotope Stutter Edit

Cause I'll probably buy it. It really is very well done, and basically what I've been looking for.

While certainly you can load up the presets and mash keys around very easily and etc... If you actually go into the presets and see what's happening, it's actually very well done, and allows for a lot of precise control.

I'm especially happy about the control envelopes and how they can be linear or exponential, and you can morph between the two, to get the exact kind of curve you want.

I've seen BT play before and it was spectacularly boring. He is also a giant cunt. After his set during the set of the next DJ (who was actually making people dance) he literally flew out over the crowd on these high wire things designed for exotic dancers, and totally sucked all the attention of the crowd away from the music.

cunt.

  On 1/15/2011 at 11:20 PM, Awepittance said:

haha... well.... a lot of the performers i'm thinking of in my rant above actully make great music, one of them that comes to mind is Cevin Key. The guy is for sure in my top 10 electronic musicians. However his set was puncuated with endless stutters and quick flanges at an alarming rate. The source material before the effects was amazing.

I don't find this at all surprising. I share your enthusiasm for Cevin Key's stuff but how long has it been since he was releasing truly exciting music? For me, I reckon it's since around about Effector and although I've enjoyed stuff since it's definitely felt much more like he's following other folk. Seems logical that he'll end up with these lazy punctuations.

About Stutter Edit, I'm sure it's decent and, as usual, if you dig into the potential of a tool it will be capable of so much more than what preset-kiddies will do. However, I don't see why this is necessarily going to lead to such an influx of that sort of stuff. Especially when it's not as if there is a dearth of this sort of stuff already. Surely the BT endorsement couldn't have that much of an effect?

  On 1/15/2011 at 3:40 PM, Kcinsu said:

I LOATH poorly done stutters, because what it comes down to, to me, is compositional laziness.

I came to this conclusion the other day when listening to the flashbulb, shitty soullessly perfect stuttering. It just sounds so stupid to me. I can't really put my finger on it. I still think aphex twin holds the epitome of perfect and tactful mindblowing stutters, stretches and delays in harmonious combination.

  On 1/16/2011 at 11:15 PM, jeyemusik said:

  On 1/15/2011 at 11:20 PM, Awepittance said:

haha... well.... a lot of the performers i'm thinking of in my rant above actully make great music, one of them that comes to mind is Cevin Key. The guy is for sure in my top 10 electronic musicians. However his set was puncuated with endless stutters and quick flanges at an alarming rate. The source material before the effects was amazing.

 

I don't find this at all surprising. I share your enthusiasm for Cevin Key's stuff but how long has it been since he was releasing truly exciting music? For me, I reckon it's since around about Effector and although I've enjoyed stuff since it's definitely felt much more like he's following other folk. Seems logical that he'll end up with these lazy punctuations.

i actually really enjoyed the previous Download album Fixer and the latest plateau stuff, but yeah Helicopter didn't really do it for me.

i will illegally download this and use it in all sets tactfully but remorselessly, while not listening to any of BT's gay emo music ever.

  On 1/17/2011 at 2:35 AM, Lube Saibot said:

i will illegally download this and use it in all sets tactfully but remorselessly, while not listening to any of BT's gay emo music ever.

That "gay emo stuff" does take up most of his discography, but I would actually recommend This Binary Universe. It's a pretty badass album, and worth a listen. It's pretty honestly.

"BT's This Binary Universe is really a follow-up to his 2004 soundtrack to Monster, a brilliant work of cinematic moods and ambient Americana. It was unjustly ignored by both the Oscars and the Grammys, where it should have at least been nominated for Best Surround Sound Recording. None of that has stopped Brian Transeau from going further down this path of expansive ambient electronica that takes him out of the techno-pop and trance direction he had been pursuing. This Binary Universe taps into BT's classical side, with expansive arrangements and intricate, albeit minimalist, thematic development. From the opening of "All That Makes Us Human Continues," BT reveals himself as a master of Eno-esque melancholy, as simple melodies evolve through an electro-orchestral instrumental palette. Lounge jazz with solos in the key of abstract, plaintive arpeggiated guitars, electro marches, minimalist hymns, and pastoral dreamscapes drive an album that seeks out joy and redemption, but not without traveling through the dark. The last track, "Good Morning Kaia," is a paean to his newborn daughter, and the most purely anthemic track on the disc."

hhahahahahahahaha

"All That Makes Us Human Continues" – 8:15

"Dynamic Symmetry" – 11:23

"The Internal Locus" – 10:27

"1.618" – 11:34

"See You on the Other Side" – 14:23

"The Antikythera Mechanism" – 10:06

"Good Morning Kaia" – 8:11

hahahahahahahahahaha

if that blurb i found is accurate at all i'm probably never going to even skim through this shit

I like Izotope. I effin love download. And BT, ain't so bad. I don't care so much for BT's music, but he's a zillion times more prolific, motivated, and prosperous, than myself. So more power to him. A lot of people would say quality over quantity. And I couldn't agree more. But he puts out quality stuff, whether it's anyone's taste of not. All things aside. I'm sure he was paid a flat fee, plus a tiny bit of commission for his work in Stutter Edit. The majority of folks' money would be going to izotope. Izotope is a company i have absolutely NO problem giving my money to. They've put out quality, and well laid out plugins since their inception. Izotope is great, hands down, regardless who they choose to oversee their projects.

I'm sure it's great, I'm sure I'm not interested. never heard of the guy, or his dumb ass hair cut, so his endorsement doesn't sway me either way.

Just not really so interested in another plug in which seems to be a bunch of standard effect modules powered by envelopes triggered by key presses, sorry, "gestures"

I still don't see why people regard such interfaces as a means of playing anything. I find it similar to triggering midi loops from a launch pad or whatever, just start stop. pressing the space bar more or less. (edit, this reads bad, have seen some people do amazing things with grid interfaces, not wanting to tar with one brush)

When something like this turns up which genuinely allows you to play effects, I'll be interested. For now ill just settle for programming the old fashioned way, and my own shitty reaktor attempts at live buffer driven effects.

also, fkn thing looks huge!!! any space on that screen for anything else? Oh, and 10 years to develop a VST, WTF?!

I guess what I feel at the moment is, it's definately the most simple devices that are the most intriguing. Things like the monome, and their new knob things... With something like this, which seems SOO directly aimed at specific scenarios, it just becomes completely dull. it doesn't make you try and develop your own use for it, When a products use is ambiguous the possibilities are enormous. the more specific it becomes the greater its limits are.

  On 1/17/2011 at 4:26 AM, Brandi_B said:

I like Izotope. I effin love download. And BT, ain't so bad. I don't care so much for BT's music, but he's a zillion times more prolific, motivated, and prosperous, than myself. So more power to him. A lot of people would say quality over quantity. And I couldn't agree more. But he puts out quality stuff, whether it's anyone's taste of not. All things aside. I'm sure he was paid a flat fee, plus a tiny bit of commission for his work in Stutter Edit. The majority of folks' money would be going to izotope. Izotope is a company i have absolutely NO problem giving my money to. They've put out quality, and well laid out plugins since their inception. Izotope is great, hands down, regardless who they choose to oversee their projects.

iZotope is this shit. I will say however that in this case, BT deserves more credit for this plugin than iZotope. He was developing it and using it for the vast majority of its history. It was only last year that iZotope bought his software company, Sonik Architects (*shudders at name*) and picked up Stutter Edit as a project.

  On 1/17/2011 at 6:11 AM, TechDiff said:

Just not really so interested in another plug in which seems to be a bunch of standard effect modules powered by envelopes triggered by key presses, sorry, "gestures"

 

I still don't see why people regard such interfaces as a means of playing anything. I find it similar to triggering midi loops from a launch pad or whatever, just start stop. pressing the space bar more or less. (edit, this reads bad, have seen some people do amazing things with grid interfaces, not wanting to tar with one brush)

 

When something like this turns up which genuinely allows you to play effects, I'll be interested. For now ill just settle for programming the old fashioned way, and my own shitty reaktor attempts at live buffer driven effects.

It should also be noted that you can also control the position in the envelope (timeline in their jargon) with a MIDI controller/CC value.

  On 1/17/2011 at 8:42 AM, wahrk said:

He was developing it and using it for the vast majority of its history. It was only last year that iZotope bought his software company, Sonik Architects (*shudders at name*) and picked up Stutter Edit as a project.

i'm pretty convinced BT farms out that stuff to other people, in fact i know actual people who he's farmed out his 'innovations' to were not given proper credit.

  On 1/17/2011 at 2:56 AM, wahrk said:

This Binary Universe. It's a pretty badass album, and worth a listen. It's pretty honestly.

The Binary Universe mini review by me:

raise 2 million dollars of your own money, and then use it to suck the life and soul out of every sample source material you work with until you have no more money left. Until your album sounds so clean, pristine, and lacking of any character whatsoever that it resembles free licensing music with 10,000 pitch perfect stutters made by farmed out employees while you crack the whip

  On 1/17/2011 at 6:11 AM, TechDiff said:

, When a products use is ambiguous the possibilities are enormous. the more specific it becomes the greater its limits are.

completely agree. People's creativity starts to take a back seat

  On 1/17/2011 at 7:56 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 1/17/2011 at 8:42 AM, wahrk said:

He was developing it and using it for the vast majority of its history. It was only last year that iZotope bought his software company, Sonik Architects (*shudders at name*) and picked up Stutter Edit as a project.

 

i'm pretty convinced BT farms out that stuff to other people, in fact i know actual people who he's farmed out his 'innovations' to were not given proper credit.

This is 100% correct and I know several people that have worked for him. BT is a corporation, not a solo electronic music producer that he markets himself as.

Do not get me started.

  On 1/17/2011 at 9:27 PM, Kcinsu said:

BT is a corporation

this is really all that needs to be said, hehe

  On 1/17/2011 at 9:27 PM, Kcinsu said:

  On 1/17/2011 at 7:56 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 1/17/2011 at 8:42 AM, wahrk said:

He was developing it and using it for the vast majority of its history. It was only last year that iZotope bought his software company, Sonik Architects (*shudders at name*) and picked up Stutter Edit as a project.

 

i'm pretty convinced BT farms out that stuff to other people, in fact i know actual people who he's farmed out his 'innovations' to were not given proper credit.

 

This is 100% correct and I know several people that have worked for him. BT is a corporation, not a solo electronic music producer that he markets himself as.

 

Do not get me started.

Hmmm. Well okay then.

An unexpected shortfall: there is no "stutter the audio on key press" where it starts stuttering the audio at that exact moment... Instead it's constantly buffeting the entire bar and the position of what part of the bar that gets retrigger is set in one if the parameters. For example, you could have a gesture that no matter what beat you trigger it on, the audio that will be player and buffered would be the first beat of the bar... Interesting. A bit of a dissapointment, but I can see there reasoning. So, it doesn't completely replace the atomizer effect....

  On 1/21/2011 at 3:29 PM, Kcinsu said:

An unexpected shortfall: there is no "stutter the audio on key press" where it starts stuttering the audio at that exact moment... Instead it's constantly buffeting the entire bar and the position of what part of the bar that gets retrigger is set in one if the parameters. For example, you could have a gesture that no matter what beat you trigger it on, the audio that will be player and buffered would be the first beat of the bar... Interesting. A bit of a dissapointment, but I can see there reasoning. So, it doesn't completely replace the atomizer effect....

Play with the grid settings.

BT. A shit version of Tipper.

I played with it all night last night, and no change to the grid setting addressed that issue for me...

  On 1/21/2011 at 5:34 PM, Kcinsu said:

I played with it all night last night, and no change to the grid setting addressed that issue for me...

Hmm. I'll play with it later and let you know.

Finally played with this for the first time and after 2 hours I was slightly underwhelmed. I'm sure once you figure out how to squeeze more juice out of the thing it's a lot more impressive. Most of the gesture patches or whatever that were mapped the keys sucked surprisingly bad IMHO in most of presets I tried.

WoW, just watched some demos of the Access Atomizer, it seems to be way more along the lines of what I want. So far it seems like it's only available on the Virus TI, no stand alone VST?

That is correct.

So is anyone actually liking this VST more & more when they use it or is everyone getting bored of it? Like I said I tried it & it felt unpredictable & sluggish. Some of the generative FX were crazy loud but they might be designed to compete the loudly mastered stuff. I'm only really wanting to use it live on not super compressed performances in my FX return on my looper. I dunno, I will spend some more time with it but I feel like it's too techno ridiculous & doesn't seem like it will ever feel great or fitting on non-techno-ish stuff.

  On 1/29/2011 at 5:21 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

So is anyone actually liking this VST more & more when they use it or is everyone getting bored of it? Like I said I tried it & it felt unpredictable & sluggish. Some of the generative FX were crazy loud but they might be designed to compete the loudly mastered stuff. I'm only really wanting to use it live on not super compressed performances in my FX return on my looper. I dunno, I will spend some more time with it but I feel like it's too techno ridiculous & doesn't seem like it will ever feel great or fitting on non-techno-ish stuff.

I checked this thing for about 20 minutes and decided I'll never use this outside of a live situation. Plus, in about 6 months to a year everyone will recognize the sound