EPS 1991 - 2002

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:29 AM, sljiva said:

So you're agreeing with me that this is not a perfect system, because offering me in advance (against my will) something I'll later get anyway (excpet for the videos) just to ensure there won't be any cancelling on my part is not something indie label should do. As much as I want to believe that they're doing this "immediate downloads" thing to satisfy the customer more, they should realize that the most satisfied customer is customer that actually has options. And that options are not that hard to implement.

how the fuck is it "against your will"? you saw what the item page on bleep was offering. if you didn't want it, you should've bought elsewhere.

just admit that you're butthutt over the fact that you have paid slightly more with bleep for a boxset plus downloads, when if you had looked first and not been so trigger happy you could've gotten it cheaper elsewhere and foregone the digital downloads.

as i've said, it's completely up to bleep whether they refund you or not. but from a strictly business perspective (and probably legally) they are not obligated to refund you in full because you have actually received part of the item already and have no way to return it.

edit: and no, i am not agreeing with you. you seem to not understand how digital downloads work.

20 bucks is one album more, and of course I'm butthurt because as much as the next guy I don't like to pay more for the item that cost less elsewhere. I'm just disappointed by the fact Bleep handles the business this way. I would expect this behaviour from major labels, not relatively small ones like Warp. Whether they offer me a refund or not, I'm going to send them a protest mail with suggestion to add an option if you really want to download the yet unreleased stuff or not, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same.

sljiva, You were actually paying for the digital downloads (hence the price) as well as the box set... Sure, they could have had a downloadless option, but you still knew what you were buying. If bleep do refund you fully, it would rather kindhearted, and un-commerce-like...

Edit; You're the kind of customers businesses despise. There is no harm in asking, but to get so uptight and righteous... Either way, you are still paying less than $10 for each ep, getting it in several formats + videos... a bloody good deal, even if it is cheaper elsewhere

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:44 AM, sljiva said:

20 bucks is one album more, and of course I'm butthurt because as much as the next guy I don't like to pay more for the item that cost less elsewhere. I'm just disappointed by the fact Bleep handles the business this way. I would expect this behaviour from major labels, not relatively small ones like Warp. Whether they offer me a refund or not, I'm going to send them a protest mail with suggestion to add an option if you really want to download the yet unreleased stuff or not, and I'd advise everyone else to do the same.

please go and look at the product page on bleep for the item you bought.

YOU PAID FOR A BOXSET AND DIGITAL DOWNLOADS.

you do not seem to understand this.

I think its a legitimate complaint especially since its a bit absurd to think someone would go through such hassle to get free wavs, when they could find the files in flac online pretty easily. Also how does a new product become so cheap on amazon? I've seen lps at record stores for cheaper than bleep. You'd think the direct source would have the most affordable pricing (aside from shipping ofc)

Yeah I know. I thought this was some kind of limited set that only Bleep would offer, so I ordered it through them. Just this stupid practice of offering the downloads immediately to avoid cancellations is bugging me. This is not something Bleep should be doing, especially since they're otherwise pretty good store.

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:48 AM, karmakramer said:

I think its a legitimate complaint especially since its a bit absurd to think someone would go through such hassle to get free wavs, when they could find the files in flac online pretty easily. Also how does a new product become so cheap on amazon? I've seen lps at record stores for cheaper than bleep. You'd think the direct source would have the most affordable pricing (aside from shipping ofc)

actually i would expect the label, especially if it is an independent like Warp and Skam, to be slightly more expensive since the cost of items from somewhere like amazon or HMV can be offset by the fact that they sell Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and rake in cash that way.

fact of the matter is, it's business.

but then again, in this instance you are buying physical product + downloads, when with amazon or HMV or elsewhere you would just get physical product.

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:50 AM, sljiva said:

Yeah I know. I thought this was some kind of limited set that only Bleep would offer, so I ordered it through them. Just this stupid practice of offering the downloads immediately to avoid cancellations is bugging me. This is not something Bleep should be doing, especially since they're pretty good store anyway.

you really are a bit thick aren't you?

they are not offering downloads as a way to avoid cancellations.

they are offering downloads as a "deal sweetener", it is added value to get you to buy from bleep instead of somewhere else.

it is akin to buying a computer game from a certain retailer and getting retailer exclusive DLC.

but it is pretty obvious from your ramblings that you do not understand commerce.

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:51 AM, oscillik said:

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:48 AM, karmakramer said:

I think its a legitimate complaint especially since its a bit absurd to think someone would go through such hassle to get free wavs, when they could find the files in flac online pretty easily. Also how does a new product become so cheap on amazon? I've seen lps at record stores for cheaper than bleep. You'd think the direct source would have the most affordable pricing (aside from shipping ofc)

actually i would expect the label, especially if it is an independent like Warp and Skam, to be slightly more expensive since the cost of items from somewhere like amazon or HMV can be offset by the fact that they sell Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and rake in cash that way.

 

fact of the matter is, it's business.

 

but then again, in this instance you are buying physical product + downloads, when with amazon or HMV or elsewhere you would just get physical product.

I bet my locally run record store has this collection for cheaper. Pretty much every warp release is cheaper there (only record shop I know of that would consistently have warp albums). Just seems odd to me... I don't know the business at all though.

And aside from the videos (which you can watch for free in HD online) anyone can create WAVs and MP3s from the CDs. Sure its a bonus getting them earlier perhaps?... but from my perspective it seems like a ploy to encourage early purchases, before people see other price listings. $20 cheaper is almost half off...

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:56 AM, karmakramer said:

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:51 AM, oscillik said:

  On 2/27/2011 at 6:48 AM, karmakramer said:

I think its a legitimate complaint especially since its a bit absurd to think someone would go through such hassle to get free wavs, when they could find the files in flac online pretty easily. Also how does a new product become so cheap on amazon? I've seen lps at record stores for cheaper than bleep. You'd think the direct source would have the most affordable pricing (aside from shipping ofc)

actually i would expect the label, especially if it is an independent like Warp and Skam, to be slightly more expensive since the cost of items from somewhere like amazon or HMV can be offset by the fact that they sell Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and rake in cash that way.

 

fact of the matter is, it's business.

 

but then again, in this instance you are buying physical product + downloads, when with amazon or HMV or elsewhere you would just get physical product.

 

I bet my locally run record store has this collection for cheaper. Pretty much every warp release is cheaper there (only record shop I know of that would consistently have warp albums). Just seems odd to me... I don't know the business at all though.

 

And aside from the videos (which you can watch for free in HD online) anyone can create WAVs and MP3s from the CDs. Sure its a bonus getting them earlier perhaps?... but from my perspective it seems like a ploy to encourage early purchases, before people see other price listings. $20 cheaper is almost half off...

of course it is a "ploy to encourage early purchases", and i know that you can rip the CDs and make your own WAVs and MP3s from the CDs. but there are bandwidth costs involved (the files total 4.57GB), and the fact of the matter is that those downloads are sold separately. this whole argument about getting a full refund would be valid if the item page explicitly listed the downloads as being "free". but it didn't. they are included in the purchase, and are henceforth part of the value of the boxset being bought direct from bleep. it is an exclusive.

I understand commerce, but I'm not naive enough to think this is some kind of "deal sweetener".

"Deal sweetener" is when a company releases a car with self parking option, but also offers one without it for less money. Yeah, they want you to buy the more expensive car, but even if you don't they'll make profit. "Deal sweetener" is not when the same company offers just a car with self parking option, because just as much as I'm able to park by myself, I'm able to wait for the actual physical products to arrive (or I don't want to mess with digital files or whatever).

osc, you are theoretically correct, but I guess others see it as a shittier way of running a business.

i love warp, but because I pay very close attention to their releases and news... I haven't been too satisfied with their business practices.

  On 2/27/2011 at 7:06 AM, sljiva said:

I understand commerce, but I'm not naive enough to think this is some kind of "deal sweetener".

 

"Deal sweetener" is when a company releases a car with self parking option, but also offers one without it for less money. Yeah, they want you to buy the more expensive car, but even if you don't they'll make profit. "Deal sweetener" is not when the same company offers just a car with self parking option, because just as much as I'm able to park by myself, I'm able to wait for the actual physical products to arrive.

i am not naive. and you do not understand. if you really do truly want to understand, go back and re-read my posts. i made a rather clear post on how similar this practice is to exclusive DLC with games sold from certain retailers.

good luck with your refund. i hope bleep take pity on you for your ignorance. just be aware that if they decide to not refund you in full, you haven't got a leg to stand on with regards to taking it further.

  On 2/27/2011 at 7:07 AM, karmakramer said:

osc, you are theoretically correct, but I guess others see it as a shittier way of running a business.

 

i love warp, but because I pay very close attention to their releases and news... I haven't been too satisfied with their business practices.

oh i agree that Warp and Bleep have lately been doing some very very bad business practices of late. however, this practice of including digital downloads with purchases made with Bleep is (in my opinion) a perfectly fine and legitimate way to encourage people to buy from them rather than elsewhere.

it is as i've said, added value.

I don't play games so I wouldn't know what DLC is. And I understand their system, I just think it could and it must work better. And to be realistic, I'm not expecting a refund, but I'll send the proposition anyway.

  On 2/27/2011 at 7:13 AM, sljiva said:

I don't play games so I wouldn't know what DLC is. And I understand their system, I just think it could and it must work better. And to be realistic, I'm not expecting a refund, but I'll send the proposition anyway.

do you understand the concept of a retailer selling an item that is available to be purchased by you, the consumer?

do you also understand that there are many retailers selling a particular item, and all are competing for your hard earned money?

do you understand that each retailer has it's own pros and cons that are personal to you if you buy from them? it might be that they are only 5 mins walk around the corner from you and you don't mind paying an extra £5 instead because you'll get it in your hands rather than saving £5 but waiting a few days for delivery?

do you understand that some retailers will sell you things in a bundle, so you will have a perceived added value? "oh, Buy one get one free? i'll go for that!"

it is the exact same practice. just because part of the product you bought was digital, does not lessen the fact that you received product that you paid for.

What if they decide to add hi-def scans of artwork or some stupid shit as letter to fans in pdf format and rise the price even more. Would it still be ok?

  On 2/27/2011 at 7:40 AM, sljiva said:

What if they decide to add hi-def scans of artwork or some stupid shit as letter to fans in pdf format and rise the price even more. Would it still be ok?

but it already comes with high-def scans of the artwork.

and such a letter wouldn't be exclusive to this set. also i very highly doubt that bleep would increase the cost for such a superfluous feature.

Massive amount of awesome music = 35€ = Fuckin awesome

but...

No original artwork = not buying it.

Because, apart from the music, what I apreciate the most when buying physical releases (and I have (will) never bought (buy) digital releases) is the artwork. Artwork means a lot to me. So screw that awesome boxset.

f lol guyse

i might get this for $30, since i DL'd the albums mostly and just burn.

since they don't have any other exciting shit i want to buy to support their wackass music

Still don't know what to do about this release.

But damn it on Amazon.com I pay like, what, 22€ For 5 CDs, even without the original artworks, that's quite an interesting deal (even if I basically don't know about the shipping fees).

On the other hand I can afford very good older albums for 22€ too.

Fuck I need money.

I would definitely buy this if it had included Quadrange.

  On 2/26/2011 at 7:24 PM, Gabriel said:

(here's the article)

thanks

I just realised I am never ever going to buy every EP included in that boxset one by one, but I still need moar pics to be convinced.

Trademark Ribbons of Gold fucking sucks man.

lol

Does anybody know if the boxset includes PDF's of the original artwork or something like that?