US army uses psy ops on US senators

don't. feed.

I know I know.

ET is poo poo head lol

jesus h christ you guys make this difficult. im not trying to hurt you, im trying to help you, why cant you understand that? im far beyond needing attention here, i get plenty of that. and as for this troll business. my fucking god im sick of people calling me that. is it so impossible for you, that someone with a completely different personality and outlook on life would come on here and not act exactly like you? there is an infinite amount of personalities in the world, and for you to categorize everyone into simple little compartments of understanding, is incredibly inaccurate and lazy

wow, someone comes into the general banter section of a music board and warns people not to eat gmo foods or drink fluoridated tap water, both which have been scientifically proven to be harmful. "troll"!!!!!!

like what the fuck dude? am i the only one here who realizes how fucked up that is? im talking to you man to man here, im not here giggling my ass off watching you respond to my posts. it infuriates me to see others disregard this information so casually, its not fun for me at all. do you think im having fun typing this? no, this sucks. i want to go to the bar and have a couple of drinks, then go to chapters and sit in the lounge and read some books. i cant do that though, because theres so many people on this board who are teetering on the edge of waking up completely. its my duty to warn my fellow neighbors of a threat that im aware of. you are also all my friends. im not gonna sit on this powerful information while you slowly kill yourself and then come on here and tell us all about your health problems and wonder why you and everyone you know has some kind of health ailment. i have to at least try to help those who want it. if you dont want help, fine, pretend you know everything about the world and that youll live forever because life expectancy is rising, but some people are more than keen to the fact that theres something weird going on, and appreciate someone coming to them and showing them some truth for once. think of the hundreds of people that come on here everyday, youve seen the daily login list, its huge. it sucks that some people come on here, see one of my posts, and then read the garbage some of you post afterward, subsequently fucking with their heads. thats not fair, i know this is the internet, and watmm, but really, its one human trying to help another, with you in the middle spinning everything, just confusing everyone who doesnt have a strong hold on this. thats real cool

  On 2/25/2011 at 7:44 PM, 24ourange said:

HEY ET HERES A FUCKING IDEAInstead of posting 500 words on why everyone else is an uneducated deluded idiot...Try backing up your gradiose statements with something other than being a stuckup asshole and getting confrontational when people don't take your word at face value.Try having a fucking rational discussion and don't just drop a couple of shitty posts and leave like you always do.

yeah, your post is freaking great. first off, ive never called anyone an idiot. its a rule of mine, because i obviously have no idea whom im speaking with on here. you could have 7 phds for all i know. its also disrespectful. i will call some one uneducated on a certain subject though, and i believe that that is well founded. no one can really argue the fact that if you dont know, you dont know. its not an ego thing like lots of you make it out to be. its opk if you dont know something, and its ok if i know something you dont. im sure theres plenty you could teach me. but im on my way to specializing in this field of research, so its simply wrong of you to say i dont knwo what im talking about. like i said earlier, ive spent loads of time linking stuff on here. do be honest dude, unless youre just lurking, you dont even come here that much, i never see you here anymore. youve probably missed so much of my material

you want some leads? google the following terms:

codex alimenarius, and heres a video of dr. rima laibow MD giving a lecture on it codex alimentarius

fluoridated water, and heres a video of dr stanley monteith giving a lecture on it fluoridated water

genetically modified food (gmo), and heres a video of author jeffery smith giving a lecture on it gmo foods

obviously the conspiracy is a bottomless pit, theres loads of lectures and documentaries you can watch on all of these subjects and more

dont come back here and tell me this shit isnt real unless youve got scientific data disproving the information provided in the above lectures, and not just simple debunking bullshit and spun articles

  On 2/25/2011 at 7:58 PM, chenGOD said:

Our food and water supply have been contaminated, yet people are living longer than ever. There's something going on here, but ET ain't it.

this is a claim i think ive heard chen make before, if im not mistaken. chen, i know you are a smart man. i find you to be intelligent, witty, and a nice guy. that you would bring this argument to the table, against all the scientific data available, it makes me wonder if you are in denial, or if you are testing me to see if i can break through your faulty logic, or what, i dont know. everywhere else on this board, you seem like a pretty normal, smart dude. suddenly though, when it comes to things like this, you provide arguments against me which blow my mind, and always have some amount of truth to them, but are false enough to confuse and ultimately cause a reader to give up

how could our food and water supply be contaminated while at the same time people are living longer? well for one, the food and water have kept the population in more manageable numbers than what otherwise would have been. its speculated just how many more people would have existed in the world, without the depopulation program, and especially when to you take into account lost future generations, the numbers are staggering. in addition to this, numbers will be numbers and people will be people and reproduce, which is why the depopulation program exists in the first place. as a species we are going to grow exponentially, and at the same time, our knowledge of health, our own bodies, and medical technology, is naturally going to progress. this is why we are living longer now days. it is just statistics though man, are they accurate? probably. are they to be used to dismiss the entire notion of depopulation? absolutely not, and i would have thought better of you to be honest

ET fights belief he's a troll by putting in way more effort than any sane troll would. maybe he's recursively trolling himself, some sort of chaotic positive feedback loop of increased paranoia

what does that even mean?

oh ya youre dr hat nevermind

i am a buick fractal

exactly

  On 2/25/2011 at 9:57 PM, ET said:

 

 

  On 2/25/2011 at 7:58 PM, chenGOD said:

Our food and water supply have been contaminated, yet people are living longer than ever. There's something going on here, but ET ain't it.

 

this is a claim i think ive heard chen make before, if im not mistaken. chen, i know you are a smart man. i find you to be intelligent, witty, and a nice guy. that you would bring this argument to the table, against all the scientific data available, it makes me wonder if you are in denial, or if you are testing me to see if i can break through your faulty logic, or what, i dont know. everywhere else on this board, you seem like a pretty normal, smart dude. suddenly though, when it comes to things like this, you provide arguments against me which blow my mind, and always have some amount of truth to them, but are false enough to confuse and ultimately cause a reader to give up

 

how could our food and water supply be contaminated while at the same time people are living longer? well for one, the food and water have kept the population in more manageable numbers than what otherwise would have been. its speculated just how many more people would have existed in the world, without the depopulation program, and especially when to you take into account lost future generations, the numbers are staggering. in addition to this, numbers will be numbers and people will be people and reproduce, which is why the depopulation program exists in the first place. as a species we are going to grow exponentially, and at the same time, our knowledge of health, our own bodies, and medical technology, is naturally going to progress. this is why we are living longer now days. it is just statistics though man, are they accurate? probably. are they to be used to dismiss the entire notion of depopulation? absolutely not, and i would have thought better of you to be honest

Look at the growth of the population - from 1950 to now the population has increased by 4 billion people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

You want growth to continue with no regards to the environment, whether or not we can sustain it and whether or not it will be a healthy place to live? Population growth would not have been possible without the advancements of the industrial revolution - we wouldn't have been able to feed as many people without improved machinery, improved chemistry to fertilize the soil etc.

Read the book "something new under the sun". Good environmental history. Read "Guns, Germs and Steel" first though.

  On 2/25/2011 at 10:29 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 2/25/2011 at 9:57 PM, ET said:

 

 

  On 2/25/2011 at 7:58 PM, chenGOD said:

Our food and water supply have been contaminated, yet people are living longer than ever. There's something going on here, but ET ain't it.

 

this is a claim i think ive heard chen make before, if im not mistaken. chen, i know you are a smart man. i find you to be intelligent, witty, and a nice guy. that you would bring this argument to the table, against all the scientific data available, it makes me wonder if you are in denial, or if you are testing me to see if i can break through your faulty logic, or what, i dont know. everywhere else on this board, you seem like a pretty normal, smart dude. suddenly though, when it comes to things like this, you provide arguments against me which blow my mind, and always have some amount of truth to them, but are false enough to confuse and ultimately cause a reader to give up

 

how could our food and water supply be contaminated while at the same time people are living longer? well for one, the food and water have kept the population in more manageable numbers than what otherwise would have been. its speculated just how many more people would have existed in the world, without the depopulation program, and especially when to you take into account lost future generations, the numbers are staggering. in addition to this, numbers will be numbers and people will be people and reproduce, which is why the depopulation program exists in the first place. as a species we are going to grow exponentially, and at the same time, our knowledge of health, our own bodies, and medical technology, is naturally going to progress. this is why we are living longer now days. it is just statistics though man, are they accurate? probably. are they to be used to dismiss the entire notion of depopulation? absolutely not, and i would have thought better of you to be honest

 

 

Look at the growth of the population - from 1950 to now the population has increased by 4 billion people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

 

You want growth to continue with no regards to the environment, whether or not we can sustain it and whether or not it will be a healthy place to live? Population growth would not have been possible without the advancements of the industrial revolution - we wouldn't have been able to feed as many people without improved machinery, improved chemistry to fertilize the soil etc.

 

Read the book "something new under the sun". Good environmental history. Read "Guns, Germs and Steel" first though.

i see what you are saying, about how we may not want too many more, based on the future of our environment. my issue, is that the globalists discuss at great lengths, how they want to depopulate the planet down to less than 20% of what it is now, thats the issue im trying to get people to focus on. i agree with what you said about the industrial revolution

thanks for the book recommendations, ill check em out one day

you know, ET isn't really that far off about the food supply being poisoned... perhaps poisoned is not the right way to put it.

the USDA and FDA has everyone in this country afraid of saturated fat and cholesterol,

and these days its rare for people to go for a fatty cut of meat and reaching for

those "LOW-FAT" and "NO CHOLESTEROL" foods that are full of refined carbohydrates is all the rage.

even the great food pyramid suggests people make cereal grain, pasta, and bread the majority of their diet.

our federal government has been subsidizing grain farming for many decades now since richard nixon and earl butz

decided that food should be cheap. and while i agree with them, i don't think creating legislature that

reshaped our agriculture infrastructure to push corn, wheat, and other grain based products (even our cows are given 100% grain diets)

was such a good idea, very wealthy folks in all matter of professions from big pharma, medicine, and the food industry are reaping in rewards from it.

people are being put on statin treatments for heart disease and insulin treatments for their type 2 dibatetes when a change in

diet could eliminate both.

a lot of this all began with Ancel Keys

and what is now referred to as the lipid-hypothesis, or the idea that saturated fat causes heart dieases and dietary cholesterol kills.

his mid-century theories dietary theories are in large part the reason kids now eat low-fat, high-carb meals in school.

and since his popularity exploded thanks to popularization in media there was created a divide among scientists

about whether or not its actually true.

whats strange here is that many scientists have time and time questioned and provided evidence that none of it is true,

yet their voice is rarely heard. the problem here is that our government has its hands in just about everything.

its not at all uncommon to find that both government and corporate money has been put forward to fund the science

that shapes mainstream dietary ideas and attempts to validate them rather than question conclusions.

so lets take a look at our supermarket:

- high fructose corn syrup is in just about everything

- white sugar and brown sugar are in abundance

- entire shelves full of chips, sodas, snack foods, TV dinners, pizzas

- grains are in just about everything

- our meats come from grain-fed environments that give no thought to the native diet of the animals

chickens eat grass and bugs, cows eat grass not corn, pigs eat leaves, grass, flowers, etc not soybean and corn

its little wonder why the fatty-acid and macronutrient profiles of our supermarket meat are so awful

- the majority of our fruit has been genetically modified and breed to be higher in fructose than their wild counterparts

no surprise here, we're a nation full of sugar addicts

but its also no surprise that these foods sell and healthy foods do not..

we've been told for years that low-fat is great, anything in moderation is okay,

and balanced diets are the best diets when in the context of a modern supermarket this is NOT TRUE.

our species did not evolve eating diets anywhere close to what we eat now,

and people wonder why terminal illness is so rampant? diabetes is getting ridiculous

and now people are actually convinced that getting older means developing a big belly,

having frail bones, degenerative disease, and joint pain.

this should not be a normal thing for the majority of us.

i'll tell you what would blow any of your minds,

investigate the anthropological sciences and you will discover

that the occurrence of degenerative disease across the board in contemporary hunter-gatherer populations is pretty fucking close to not existent.

the populations that have either westernized or acculturated are now experiencing the works.

this fact is so pronounced that some scientists are looking toward our evolutionary history as a means

to determine what is going wrong with us, and big shocker:

adequate exercise and calorie counting just isn't enough to keep us from the fray.

so yes, i think ET is on to something..

our government has its hands in just about everything we are currently being fed,

and the majority of us will never hear the truth about what is actually healthy to eat.

instead, soccer moms will continue to buy their shit whole grain products

and the poor will continue to buy food that keeps them from good health because well,

thats all they can fucking afford. and kids will continue to think that hey,

the occasional fast food is okay, right?

and the lactose intolerant and celiacs will continue to live in fear..

and then inflammation will reap its victims while insulin secretly takes its toll.

while i'm sure some of you will question my remarks about saturated fat, cholesterol, and whole grains

you would be wise to investigate the scientists that have been digging deep into it for a decade now.

i think ET's paranoia is really not at all unfounded..

the world is being exposed to foods that neither satiate, nor satisfy nutritional needs.

what makes more money, a food product that makes you hungry an hour later or food that satisfies your hunger

for a large part of the day?

and sugar loaded foods keep most people in a state of addiction to them.. as blood sugar rises and drops

it leaves the brain glucose deprived, and physiologically critical hormones are sent wayward..

the end result is a person who will likely indulge again soon after because it makes them feel better temporarily..

and then the cycle repeats itself.

"comfort foods" bring to mind sugar and refined carbs, not a big piece of fatty meat and a serving of vegetables with a fruit.

i don't think the corporate food industry wants to sell foods that satiate,

there's not as much profit in it..

  On 2/26/2011 at 3:46 AM, fiznuthian said:

 

i'll tell you what would blow any of your minds,

investigate the anthropological sciences and you will discover

that the occurrence of degenerative disease across the board in contemporary hunter-gatherer populations is pretty fucking close to not existent.

the populations that have either westernized or acculturated are now experiencing the works.

this fact is so pronounced that some scientists are looking toward our evolutionary history as a means

to determine what is going wrong with us, and big shocker:

adequate exercise and calorie counting just isn't enough to keep us from the fray.

 

There are at least two things wrong with your proposal. Contemporary hunter-gatherers have much lower life expectancies than people in modern society. The majority of degenerative diseases appear in later life, as a result we don't have much evidence whether or not the elderly suffer from degenerative diseases. Additionally, with degenerative diseases being so rare, the sample group of populations of hunter-gatherers is probably too small, and because they are generally genetic mutations, with an increased gene pool you would expect them regardless in diet. Diet might account for frequency of occurrence, but cannot be as yet equated to creation of the mutations (soil pollution definitely could, but we're talking about diet right?).

Doing some brief research we find the !kung in Africa to be lucky to live past 60 (only 20% of those ever born reach 60 as compared with 83% in modern society), and while "those who do live to age 60 are free from stress related diseases, ... more than half have physical problems that make them dependent on others".¹

Additionally there soon might not be any pure hunter-gatherer bands left to examine

"At current rates of change, within the next decade the few remaining bands of hunter-gatherers will abandon their ways, disintegrate, or die out...".²

"In both hemispheres most foragers eventually turned to food production. Today most foragers have at least some dependence on food production or on food producers".³

Finally, there is benefit to the species as a whole in growing into larger bands than hunter-gatherers, as we are more resilient to infectious disease. "As tragic modern experience with Amazonian Indians and Pacific Islanders confirms, almost an entire tribelet may be wipe out by an epidemic brought by an outside visitor - because no one in the triblet had any antibodies against the microbe. For example, in the winter of 1902 a dysentery epidemic brought by a sailor on the whaling ship Active killed 51 out of 56 Sadlermiut Eskimos, a very isolated band of people living on Southampton Island in the Canadian Arctic".⁴

For a sampling of Degenerative diseases and their typical onset ages, the following links:

Arthritis - predominantly elderly

Rheumatoid Arthritis - onset age of 40-50

Cancer - most significant risk is old age

Alzheimer's - Advancing age is a primary risk factor for the disease and incidence rates are not equal for all ages: every five years after the age of 65, the risk of acquiring the disease approximately doubles

Parkinson's - mean onset age is 60

1: Shostak, Marjorie - "Nisa: The Life and Words of a !Kung Woman". pp.287-288

2: Diamond Jared - "Guns, Germs and Steel". p.86

3: Kent as quoted in Kottak - "Mirror for Humanity" (6th ed.) p.83

4: Diamond, Jared -"Guns, Germs and Steel". pp.203-204

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem with diet, especially in the poorer areas (although the social issues that go into that are fucking immense) of modern society, but to think that just changing to a diet of hunter-gathering will solve many problems is not very realistic.

In b4 Zeitgeist.

HAY GUYZ MOGELLONZ DIZEEZE

fluoride is in your water to help your teeth.

GM food is designed to increase profits.

simple, logical answers.

you can go to you local university and ask people who actually know things about this. you can even test the levels of fluoride in water and ask a toxicologist - someone who has spent years if not decades of his life studying something specific as this - what harm could it do. you can look up actual scientific papers about genetic modification. all this scientific knowledge is out there for you to corroborate, it's not kept secret by anyone. now please fuck off.

all praise gordo.

not to reopen the can of worms, but I always wonder about this (apparently new-ish) claim of conspiracy theorists that the "globalists" want a radical drop in population. Seems to me if they did exist they would want increased population, which would lead to more chaos and fear, but allow people in power to consolidate their gains...More hungry and desperate means more cheap labor, no?

As far as I can tell this new idea about depopulation came into vogue when people like Pat Buchanan became popular in the US; conspiracy theorists wanted a way to speak to the fear of job loss of the god-fearing blue collar middle class, and "population control" - they want to steal your job and your fertility - seemed a good way to do it.

  On 2/26/2011 at 2:23 PM, lumpenprol said:

all praise gordo.

 

not to reopen the can of worms, but I always wonder about this (apparently new-ish) claim of conspiracy theorists that the "globalists" want a radical drop in population. Seems to me if they did exist they would want increased population, which would lead to more chaos and fear, but allow people in power to consolidate their gains...More hungry and desperate means more cheap labor, no?

 

As far as I can tell this new idea about depopulation came into vogue when people like Pat Buchanan became popular in the US; conspiracy theorists wanted a way to speak to the fear of job loss of the god-fearing blue collar middle class, and "population control" - they want to steal your job and your fertility - seemed a good way to do it.

depopulation has been in the political mind since Herbert Spencer and Malthus...its easier to run what you control with less of a horde to come back on you when you fuck up.

My understanding is that fluoride is meant to come in contact with your teeth to have any supposed effect on your teeth.

Digesting it is just swallowing poison.

et is on point

back the fuck up kids

i am 90% vegan

100% vegetarian and i feel it has contributed to my well being greatly[along with internal chinese gung fu]

shop organic

triple purify water and orosmotically purify it.don't eat meat/chicken/pork/dairy/fish ever

they don't care about you or your health

  On 2/26/2011 at 3:46 AM, fiznuthian said:

you know, ET isn't really that far off about the food supply being poisoned... perhaps poisoned is not the right way to put it.

 

the USDA and FDA has everyone in this country afraid of saturated fat and cholesterol,

and these days its rare for people to go for a fatty cut of meat and reaching for

those "LOW-FAT" and "NO CHOLESTEROL" foods that are full of refined carbohydrates is all the rage.

even the great food pyramid suggests people make cereal grain, pasta, and bread the majority of their diet.

 

our federal government has been subsidizing grain farming for many decades now since richard nixon and earl butz

decided that food should be cheap. and while i agree with them, i don't think creating legislature that

reshaped our agriculture infrastructure to push corn, wheat, and other grain based products (even our cows are given 100% grain diets)

was such a good idea, very wealthy folks in all matter of professions from big pharma, medicine, and the food industry are reaping in rewards from it.

people are being put on statin treatments for heart disease and insulin treatments for their type 2 dibatetes when a change in

diet could eliminate both.

 

a lot of this all began with Ancel Keys

and what is now referred to as the lipid-hypothesis, or the idea that saturated fat causes heart dieases and dietary cholesterol kills.

his mid-century theories dietary theories are in large part the reason kids now eat low-fat, high-carb meals in school.

and since his popularity exploded thanks to popularization in media there was created a divide among scientists

about whether or not its actually true.

 

whats strange here is that many scientists have time and time questioned and provided evidence that none of it is true,

yet their voice is rarely heard. the problem here is that our government has its hands in just about everything.

its not at all uncommon to find that both government and corporate money has been put forward to fund the science

that shapes mainstream dietary ideas and attempts to validate them rather than question conclusions.

 

so lets take a look at our supermarket:

- high fructose corn syrup is in just about everything

- white sugar and brown sugar are in abundance

- entire shelves full of chips, sodas, snack foods, TV dinners, pizzas

- grains are in just about everything

- our meats come from grain-fed environments that give no thought to the native diet of the animals

chickens eat grass and bugs, cows eat grass not corn, pigs eat leaves, grass, flowers, etc not soybean and corn

its little wonder why the fatty-acid and macronutrient profiles of our supermarket meat are so awful

- the majority of our fruit has been genetically modified and breed to be higher in fructose than their wild counterparts

no surprise here, we're a nation full of sugar addicts

 

but its also no surprise that these foods sell and healthy foods do not..

we've been told for years that low-fat is great, anything in moderation is okay,

and balanced diets are the best diets when in the context of a modern supermarket this is NOT TRUE.

our species did not evolve eating diets anywhere close to what we eat now,

and people wonder why terminal illness is so rampant? diabetes is getting ridiculous

and now people are actually convinced that getting older means developing a big belly,

having frail bones, degenerative disease, and joint pain.

this should not be a normal thing for the majority of us.

 

i'll tell you what would blow any of your minds,

investigate the anthropological sciences and you will discover

that the occurrence of degenerative disease across the board in contemporary hunter-gatherer populations is pretty fucking close to not existent.

the populations that have either westernized or acculturated are now experiencing the works.

this fact is so pronounced that some scientists are looking toward our evolutionary history as a means

to determine what is going wrong with us, and big shocker:

adequate exercise and calorie counting just isn't enough to keep us from the fray.

 

so yes, i think ET is on to something..

our government has its hands in just about everything we are currently being fed,

and the majority of us will never hear the truth about what is actually healthy to eat.

instead, soccer moms will continue to buy their shit whole grain products

and the poor will continue to buy food that keeps them from good health because well,

thats all they can fucking afford. and kids will continue to think that hey,

the occasional fast food is okay, right?

and the lactose intolerant and celiacs will continue to live in fear..

and then inflammation will reap its victims while insulin secretly takes its toll.

 

while i'm sure some of you will question my remarks about saturated fat, cholesterol, and whole grains

you would be wise to investigate the scientists that have been digging deep into it for a decade now.

::thumbs up::

the other thing is the US army/pentagon/cia have done all kinds of satanic evil black nefarious shit to its own citizens for decades as i am sure they still do

isn't this common knowledge at this point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

so fucking around with a few senators pales in comparison

alot of the 'new world order' conspiracy theories can really be deduced to a non coordinated 'looking the other way' conspiracy of human carelessness and solipsism. This is how corporations and large governments operate, it is not their #1 priority to make sure their actions to do not physically harm human beings.

to me its much scarier knowing that no one is in control of this bus that seemingly is being driven towards a cliff of a mountain side, we're all kind of heading towards it together.

although its harmful to the debate to say the NWO wants to depopulate the planet through poisoning us, it's equally as harmful to say that there is absolutely nothing questionable or wrong about being fed GMOs with absolutely no knowledge of doing so (They are not required to put warning labels) and many other things. Too often people not just scoff at these conspiracy theories but outright dismiss any potential harm byt he subjects brought up