new Atlas Shrugge movie has 0% on RT

Ayn Rand was an Atheist. That alone fills me with joy when I see Conservative fuckwits praise her.

  On 4/15/2011 at 9:50 AM, disparaissant said:

man part 3's gonna be amazing, what with the 70 page monologue.

this is the first thing i thought too

  On 4/15/2011 at 5:25 PM, rumbo said:

Ayn Rand was an Atheist. That alone fills me with joy when I see Conservative fuckwits praise her.

see, this is the shit that pisses me off the most about tea-partiers/hardcore Conservatives

look at the idols they hold up:

Ayn Rand, atheist

Thomas Paine, atheist

Jefferson, deist and EDITOR OF THE BIBLE TO MAKE IT MORE RATIONAL

Washington, deist

and then compare them with Reagan.

i mean shit, the hardest part of me understanding or respecting Milton Friedman is the fact that he was an advisor to Reagan while simultaneously preaching that imperialism and govt. regulation of business is the death of capitalism....WTF?

If Rand backed her shit up in reality, she would probably say Reagan was a monster because of the evangelical backing.

and Thomas Paine (once again, hes very interesting to me), is one of the most misinterpreted philosophers of all time, and the most frustrating part of this is that Paine isn't hard at all to understand.

Everyone in the tea party pulls out the "These are the times that try mens souls" over and over adnauseum wow Tommy Paine whadda guy....the dude wrote an entire book explaining why religion was for the weak and meant ruin and the continuation of monarchies by other means.

He was practically a proto-socialist, and damned imperialist policy of any kind...he took Clausewitz's quote to another level..."War is the continuation of profit seeking by other means." (more or less)

So WHY THE FUCK do tea partiers embrace a president who was arguably anti-Randian, and yet embrace Rand at the same time?

answer:idiocy.

  On 4/15/2011 at 4:24 AM, Boxing Day said:

If they are going to make an ayn rand movie it should be Anthem.

Indeed.

i'm pretty convinced the tea party broke the republican party, that's why no candidate has taken the risk of being 'off message' by entering the republican race for real

  On 4/15/2011 at 1:32 PM, disparaissant said:

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The subjects the film deals with are fascinating, important -- and almost completely ignored at the movies. Even "The Social Network," the most acclaimed business movie of last year, placed the building of one of the world's most valuable companies in the background of a personality dispute and some whining about club membership. "Atlas Shrugged" wants to start an argument with you, to force you to (in Rand's often-repeated words) "check your premises."

It would be easier to do no such thing, to laugh off the stilted dialogue and stern, unironic hectoring, so that's what most viewers will do.

Hahaha. "It's bad, but you have to ignore that and focus on the message! IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE A SAP!"

lol who the fuck is that guy? Yes I'd love to watch a film detailing the minutiae of how facebook runs its day-to-day operations, I'm sure the paperwork getting pushed around is fucking fascinating.

Smetty - in order for the teabaggers not to have such fundamental disconnects, they'd actually have to pick up a book beyond the latest thriller from john grisham.

I can't have any respect for Rand, cause one of her primary influences and heroes is Thomas Aquinas - a guy not exactly known for his progressive views on women. It's kind of like a jewish guy going - "oh yeah, Hitler was a really shrewd guy, master manipulator, great tactician and really knew how to run a populist based political campaign, that's someone I can really look up to."

  On 4/15/2011 at 7:23 PM, chenGOD said:

 

 

Smetty - in order for the teabaggers not to have such fundamental disconnects, they'd actually have to pick up a book beyond the latest thriller from john grisham.

you give them too much credit

  On 4/15/2011 at 4:24 AM, Boxing Day said:

If they are going to make an ayn rand movie it should be Anthem.

They did. It's called THX 1138. And 1984. And Logan's Run. The Island...I could go on...Anthem is a early, dull, annoyingly written, non-sci-fi version of every evil-government driven dystopian film ever made.

  On 4/15/2011 at 6:47 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 4/15/2011 at 5:25 PM, rumbo said:

Ayn Rand was an Atheist. That alone fills me with joy when I see Conservative fuckwits praise her.

see, this is the shit that pisses me off the most about tea-partiers/hardcore Conservativeslook at the idols they hold up:Ayn Rand, atheistThomas Paine, atheistJefferson, deist and EDITOR OF THE BIBLE TO MAKE IT MORE RATIONALWashington, deistand then compare them with Reagan.i mean shit, the hardest part of me understanding or respecting Milton Friedman is the fact that he was an advisor to Reagan while simultaneously preaching that imperialism and govt. regulation of business is the death of capitalism....WTF?If Rand backed her shit up in reality, she would probably say Reagan was a monster because of the evangelical backing. and Thomas Paine (once again, hes very interesting to me), is one of the most misinterpreted philosophers of all time, and the most frustrating part of this is that Paine isn't hard at all to understand. Everyone in the tea party pulls out the "These are the times that try mens souls" over and over adnauseum wow Tommy Paine whadda guy....the dude wrote an entire book explaining why religion was for the weak and meant ruin and the continuation of monarchies by other means.He was practically a proto-socialist, and damned imperialist policy of any kind...he took Clausewitz's quote to another level..."War is the continuation of profit seeking by other means." (more or less)So WHY THE FUCK do tea partiers embrace a president who was arguably anti-Randian, and yet embrace Rand at the same time?answer:idiocy.

Thanks! you bet me to this rant.

  On 4/15/2011 at 7:23 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 4/15/2011 at 1:32 PM, disparaissant said:

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The subjects the film deals with are fascinating, important -- and almost completely ignored at the movies. Even "The Social Network," the most acclaimed business movie of last year, placed the building of one of the world's most valuable companies in the background of a personality dispute and some whining about club membership. "Atlas Shrugged" wants to start an argument with you, to force you to (in Rand's often-repeated words) "check your premises."

It would be easier to do no such thing, to laugh off the stilted dialogue and stern, unironic hectoring, so that's what most viewers will do.

Hahaha. "It's bad, but you have to ignore that and focus on the message! IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE A SAP!"

 

lol who the fuck is that guy? Yes I'd love to watch a film detailing the minutiae of how facebook runs its day-to-day operations, I'm sure the paperwork getting pushed around is fucking fascinating.

 

Smetty - in order for the teabaggers not to have such fundamental disconnects, they'd actually have to pick up a book beyond the latest thriller from john grisham.

I can't have any respect for Rand, cause one of her primary influences and heroes is Thomas Aquinas - a guy not exactly known for his progressive views on women. It's kind of like a jewish guy going - "oh yeah, Hitler was a really shrewd guy, master manipulator, great tactician and really knew how to run a populist based political campaign, that's someone I can really look up to."

but by that logic you'd have to say you had no respect for anyone that's ever had fucked up views towards the reader.

Aquinas made a massive contribution to Western philosophy, and (arguably) the scientific method. Im not sainting these people, but what they did achieve, recognized by a human community as such in hindsight, is worthy of respect.

I can't say I have ever heard someone say Aquinas is not respectable because he said some stupid shit to say about women..so did Malcolm X, and a ton of other people I can't think of right now.

I don't know if I respect Rand, I think she is a bit of a hack personally, and her ideas are much better put by others. But I was just commenting on that one essay in particular....I had a particularly nice beard-stroking moment.

I dunno about you, but I tend to have little respect for people whose philosophies are detrimental to my well-being. Also, while Aquinas was certainly a hell of a logician, I don't think he had much use for observation?

Regardless - she could have picked someone who didn't see women as incomplete men for one of her heroes. Plenty of logicians who didn't view women as second-class citizens...

im sure she respected his individualized process (which, for the time, was pretty rare)

also, anyone that buys into another person's philosophy wholesale is a fool.

  On 4/15/2011 at 4:24 AM, Boxing Day said:

If they are going to make an ayn rand movie it should be Anthem.

with Rush soundtrack?

Ayn Rand and tea baggers??? are they adopting her as a hero?... she's an atheist ffs! she said to William Buckley, once, "you're too smart to believe in God"

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Sitting through this picture is like watching early rehearsals of a stage play that's clearly doomed.

Hahaha.

never looked into rand because of the sort of people that rave about her. no plans to change that

I was given a copy of both Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead once, I've never even opened them, they just look ridiculously long and I heard about the 70 page monologues and I instantly thought "fuck that" on top of all the negative sentiments I've seen directed towards Rand, I really have never had any desire to even begin reading them at all. It seems I'm not missing much, guess I'll stick to Huxley, Orwell and Vonnegut

I read the Fountainhead a couple years ago, and it was okay. It just felt really unnecessarily lengthy, but I chalked that up to the style at the time. There really weren't a whole lot of different types of entertainment, so I guess books were longer since you could spend more time on them?

*Braintree shrugs*

There's one part of Roark's final speech that I really liked. The paragraph where he talks about how a man is worth the quality of his work, not what he's done or not done for others.

She really loves the word 'austere.'

  On 4/15/2011 at 11:19 PM, hahathhat said:

never looked into rand because of the sort of people that rave about her. no plans to change that

shouldn't you at least "know your enemy"? because believe it or not, the upper echelons might legitimately believe what its saying, and are actually intelligent to boot. might be worth giving it a look sometime.

  On 4/15/2011 at 11:37 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 4/15/2011 at 11:19 PM, hahathhat said:

never looked into rand because of the sort of people that rave about her. no plans to change that

 

 

shouldn't you at least "know your enemy"? because believe it or not, the upper echelons might legitimately believe what its saying, and are actually intelligent to boot. might be worth giving it a look sometime.

my enemy? to make them into "enemies" implies i actually give a shit, which i really don't. i simply figured it'd be a waste of my time !

i'm a voracious consumer of ideas, but i have little patience. i don't care about some dusty old book that a bunch of boring people like. i can barely get through an "interesting" book like the electric kool-aid acid test these days. internet is too distracting.

yeah heaven forbid you actually put some thought into an idea beyond 2 minutes. You might not be able to post such absolute nonsense at such speed.

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:52 AM, chenGOD said:

yeah heaven forbid you actually put some thought into an idea beyond 2 minutes. You might not be able to post such absolute nonsense at such speed.

hey now, there's loads of crap on this internet thing. it all comes at you a million miles an hour, while i have some mouse on mars track on now that's actually pretty full of information also. i can't eat it all. i'd explode. i'm very quick to bin stuff, sure, but only because there's a lot of stuff to bin.

  On 4/15/2011 at 3:29 AM, Velazquez said:

i liked the book

*jots it down*

  On 4/16/2011 at 1:01 AM, hahathhat said:

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:52 AM, chenGOD said:

yeah heaven forbid you actually put some thought into an idea beyond 2 minutes. You might not be able to post such absolute nonsense at such speed.

 

hey now, there's loads of crap on this internet thing. it all comes at you a million miles an hour, while i have some mouse on mars track on now that's actually pretty full of information also. i can't eat it all. i'd explode. i'm very quick to bin stuff, sure, but only because there's a lot of stuff to bin.

It's not a passive medium dude. Pick and choose. digest the stuff in your bin before you explode.

  On 4/16/2011 at 1:53 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 4/16/2011 at 1:01 AM, hahathhat said:

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:52 AM, chenGOD said:

yeah heaven forbid you actually put some thought into an idea beyond 2 minutes. You might not be able to post such absolute nonsense at such speed.

 

hey now, there's loads of crap on this internet thing. it all comes at you a million miles an hour, while i have some mouse on mars track on now that's actually pretty full of information also. i can't eat it all. i'd explode. i'm very quick to bin stuff, sure, but only because there's a lot of stuff to bin.

 

 

It's not a passive medium dude. Pick and choose. digest the stuff in your bin before you explode.

the fuck does that mean? that i should read every intellectual snob book someone on the internet thinks is good?