E3 2011

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:34 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

 

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

i don't understand how you're able to claim to know that "the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate" while the "heavy majority of console gamers don't".

are you basing this opinion on your own personal experiences with friends and people you know?

because if so, i would posit to you my own personal experiences:

everyone i know who is a console gamer, pirates games. especially those that have a Nintendo DSlite (and there's quite a few people that have those). on the flip side, everyone i know that is a PC gamer doesn't pirate games.

conclusion? don't make blasé statements about stuff when clearly there are no hard facts, except for one: piracy exists on all platforms.

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:42 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:34 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

 

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

i don't understand how you're able to claim to know that "the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate" while the "heavy majority of console gamers don't".

 

are you basing this opinion on your own personal experiences with friends and people you know?

because if so, i would posit to you my own personal experiences:

 

everyone i know who is a console gamer, pirates games. especially those that have a Nintendo DSlite (and there's quite a few people that have those). on the flip side, everyone i know that is a PC gamer doesn't pirate games.

 

conclusion? don't make blasé statements about stuff when clearly there are no hard facts, except for one: piracy exists on all platforms.

http://www.moddb.com/polls/why-do-you-pirate-games

Not exactly hard fact but a good enough representation of the pc gaming community as a whole. I'm sure with enough searching I could pull up some good stuff on the matter but I don't care enough about the subject to try to find what I originally saw on it a while back.

Also I only know one PC gamer and I think he buys from steam, so I'm not judging it from personal experience, no.

I'd love for the PC community to get all the stuff they want but it's a bit of a silly thing to moan about when people are stealing left right and centre.

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

To be fair, I don't think it's because the developers feel personally slighted and are taking it out on PC gamers. Consoles are just where the money is these days.

Also calling PC gamers the "hurr durr pc master race" is flame baiting so don't be surprised when someone starts being sarcastic with you.

i think what he means is that its drastically harder to pirate on consoles because they need to be hardware chipped or whatever whereas pc games just need to be cracked and require little effort.

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:54 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:42 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:34 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

 

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

i don't understand how you're able to claim to know that "the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate" while the "heavy majority of console gamers don't".

 

are you basing this opinion on your own personal experiences with friends and people you know?

because if so, i would posit to you my own personal experiences:

 

everyone i know who is a console gamer, pirates games. especially those that have a Nintendo DSlite (and there's quite a few people that have those). on the flip side, everyone i know that is a PC gamer doesn't pirate games.

 

conclusion? don't make blasé statements about stuff when clearly there are no hard facts, except for one: piracy exists on all platforms.

http://www.moddb.com/polls/why-do-you-pirate-games

 

Not exactly hard fact but a good enough representation of the pc gaming community as a whole. I'm sure with enough searching I could pull up some good stuff on the matter but I don't care enough about the subject to try to find what I originally saw on it a while back.

 

Also I only know one PC gamer and I think he buys from steam, so I'm not judging it from personal experience, no.

 

I'd love for the PC community to get all the stuff they want but it's a bit of a silly thing to moan about when people are stealing left right and centre.

2007+2553+289+1394+438+404 = 7085

so you're saying that 7085 votes counts as a good enough representation of the PC gaming community? ok

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:58 PM, kaen said:

i think what he means is that its drastically harder to pirate on consoles because they need to be hardware chipped or whatever whereas pc games just need to be cracked and require little effort.

that's kinda a cop-out reasoning. 'chipping' is just as prevalent.

nah, theres a risk you can brick your console too. theres no way in hell that console pirating is near the level of pc

i havent bought a game in about 6 years (barring mmo's that cant be pirated)

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:09 PM, kaen said:

nah, theres a risk you can brick your console too. theres no way in hell that console pirating is near the level of pc

there's a risk that you will get a virus if you pirate games. still not seeing your correlation that chipping, by proxy of the fact that it is a hardware circumvention technique, is regarded by console games as non-viable.

its not non-viable, its just less common.

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total immersion games:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13711335

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  On 6/9/2011 at 2:01 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:54 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:42 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:34 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

 

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

i don't understand how you're able to claim to know that "the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate" while the "heavy majority of console gamers don't".

 

are you basing this opinion on your own personal experiences with friends and people you know?

because if so, i would posit to you my own personal experiences:

 

everyone i know who is a console gamer, pirates games. especially those that have a Nintendo DSlite (and there's quite a few people that have those). on the flip side, everyone i know that is a PC gamer doesn't pirate games.

 

conclusion? don't make blasé statements about stuff when clearly there are no hard facts, except for one: piracy exists on all platforms.

http://www.moddb.com/polls/why-do-you-pirate-games

 

Not exactly hard fact but a good enough representation of the pc gaming community as a whole. I'm sure with enough searching I could pull up some good stuff on the matter but I don't care enough about the subject to try to find what I originally saw on it a while back.

 

Also I only know one PC gamer and I think he buys from steam, so I'm not judging it from personal experience, no.

 

I'd love for the PC community to get all the stuff they want but it's a bit of a silly thing to moan about when people are stealing left right and centre.

2007+2553+289+1394+438+404 = 7085

 

so you're saying that 7085 votes counts as a good enough representation of the PC gaming community? ok

what do you expect? it's impossible to graph every pc gamer. it's a decent representation. either way, I'm not trying to argue - I just think if pc gamers want equal share of the market, a place to start is by paying their way instead of stealing everything. fair enough if you want to steal but don't steal and then whine about not having new games/having console ports by the developers who you're bankrupting.

edit: last post on the matter. i don't care.

It's a business decision like anything else. Game companies will look at the amount of revenue generated from a similar title on various platforms, then make a publishing decision based on that. The fact that not a lot of PC games are created suggests people don't buy enough PC games. This might be due to piracy or it could be due to the cost of having a gaming rig that most people can not afford.

Another thing not going well in PC gaming's favor is the inability to rent a game. I know plenty of friends who do not have the money to buy every game that comes out, but instead would rent it from a store and pay late fee's until they beat it. Most places around these parts charge a dollar for every day you are late.

  On 6/9/2011 at 5:22 PM, acid1 said:

It's a business decision like anything else. Game companies will look at the amount of revenue generated from a similar title on various platforms, then make a publishing decision based on that. The fact that not a lot of PC games are created suggests people don't buy enough PC games. This might be due to piracy or it could be due to the cost of having a gaming rig that most people can not afford.

 

Another thing not going well in PC gaming's favor is the inability to rent a game. I know plenty of friends who do not have the money to buy every game that comes out, but instead would rent it from a store and pay late fee's until they beat it. Most places around these parts charge a dollar for every day you are late.

see, you are not a confused person. you understand that piracy isn't the reason that PC games are a bit stagnant.

piracy is just an easy scapegoat for the industry. and confused people.

  On 6/9/2011 at 6:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 5:22 PM, acid1 said:

This might be due to piracy

see, you are not a confused person. you understand that piracy isn't the reason ...

Found a neat interview with one of my favorite nerds: John Carmack. Talks about latency, consoles vs PC, the future of graphics tech etc. Levelheaded as always.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/306236/news/id-softwares-john-carmack-20-minute-video-interview/

  On 6/9/2011 at 6:38 PM, encey said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 6:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 5:22 PM, acid1 said:

This might be due to piracy

see, you are not a confused person. you understand that piracy isn't the reason ...

nice misquoting there.

  On 6/9/2011 at 3:58 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:01 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:54 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:42 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:34 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 1:25 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:40 AM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:42 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/8/2011 at 11:36 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

I never understand why hurr durr pc master race are so confused as to why they always get the shit deal when all they do is pirate everything...

you are a confused person.

Why do you say that?

just a few points to mull over:

 

1. Not every PC gamer pirates games. I'm a PC gamer. I don't pirate games.

 

2. Portal 2, arguably a highly anticipated game (especially amongst PC gamers) was pirated and leaked a week before release for the Playstation 3 and XBox 360.

 

3. Piracy exists in all gaming platforms, and contrary to claims by many that piracy on consoles these days is 'more complex' due to requiring hardware hacks, it is still possible, and it is still done in droves.

 

4. Piracy does not equal a lost sale.

Obviously there are a few that don't, but the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate. A large portion of those only pirate. While there are many pirates on consoles, the heavy majority don't.

 

As I side note I like all consoles/pc/handhelds/whatever. I just like playing games. Not bashing pc.

i don't understand how you're able to claim to know that "the heavy majority of pc gamers pirate" while the "heavy majority of console gamers don't".

 

are you basing this opinion on your own personal experiences with friends and people you know?

because if so, i would posit to you my own personal experiences:

 

everyone i know who is a console gamer, pirates games. especially those that have a Nintendo DSlite (and there's quite a few people that have those). on the flip side, everyone i know that is a PC gamer doesn't pirate games.

 

conclusion? don't make blasé statements about stuff when clearly there are no hard facts, except for one: piracy exists on all platforms.

http://www.moddb.com/polls/why-do-you-pirate-games

 

Not exactly hard fact but a good enough representation of the pc gaming community as a whole. I'm sure with enough searching I could pull up some good stuff on the matter but I don't care enough about the subject to try to find what I originally saw on it a while back.

 

Also I only know one PC gamer and I think he buys from steam, so I'm not judging it from personal experience, no.

 

I'd love for the PC community to get all the stuff they want but it's a bit of a silly thing to moan about when people are stealing left right and centre.

2007+2553+289+1394+438+404 = 7085

 

so you're saying that 7085 votes counts as a good enough representation of the PC gaming community? ok

 

what do you expect? it's impossible to graph every pc gamer. it's a decent representation. either way, I'm not trying to argue - I just think if pc gamers want equal share of the market, a place to start is by paying their way instead of stealing everything. fair enough if you want to steal but don't steal and then whine about not having new games/having console ports by the developers who you're bankrupting.

 

edit: last post on the matter. i don't care.

We already solved the piracy argument with respect to music and film. It's imagined sales, to inflate the figures so companies can bitch and cry poor, whilst they're actually doing better than ever.

/end of

delet & oscillik

thank you for using logic

and seriously, even if that poll was decisive evidence, it would say that only 10% of gamers only pirate/pirate frequently. Not only were the top two options picked pointing towards buying games most of the time, both "To avoid DRM" and "They cost too much" don't say that they pirate exclusively. Seeing as the poll is "why do you pirate games?" and not "why do you pirate games exclusively?", someone answering "To avoid DRM" indicates that they only ever pirate when heavy DRM is involved, as it was with Spore; no one wanted to be infected with corporate spybots, so many people pirated it just to avoid that, when they would've happily bought the game otherwise. "They cost too much" just means that they can't afford a game, which is really not a loss of sale, because if they didn't pirate, they just wouldn't be able to play the game at all. Besides, usually people will buy the game when they get more money, or when it goes on sale.

Just FYI, I don't pirate games. Look at how much money I've wasted on my steam account. If I can't afford a game, I won't play it until I can.

I don't pirate games either. I just play my brothers paid for games (on no, lost sales, ban sharing !!).

I used to pirate games, but my conscience got the better of me, and I quit entirely. Feel the better for it. The few that I had pirated, I bought, if I could find a copy that would actually get the devs some money (not buying the game used).

  On 6/10/2011 at 1:56 AM, delet... said:

I don't pirate games either. I just play my brothers paid for games (on no, lost sales, ban sharing !!).

well, they've already taken steps to prevent secondhand game sales both on console and PC, so don't be too surprised if your jest proves to be prophetic.

Ken Levine ftw.

What a cool guy. He seems so passionate about his work but at the same time very down to earth. I could listen to him all day just rambling about random stuff.

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I could listen to him all day just rambling about random stuff.

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