just had a *high* thot

what if this environmentalism thing is in fact wrong?

What if we assumed that nature will adapt to the changes humans and other species have inflicted on it as it has for millions of years, meaning we don't have to worry about damaging the planet beyond repair because it will fix itself OR when those markets crash and companies fail industry reorganizes into new companies (probably with the same leaders lol) that either reverses affects of new creation (ex. more carbon dioxide in air, greatly reduced ozone layer, worldwide flood, basically anything actually causing the environment to grievously alter it's current state of living (my new definition), or come up with a way to sell ways to deal with it?

whaaaaat?

man, they call em fingers, but i have yet to see em fing.

i cant find a decent source but slavoj zizek's thoughts on the matter are pretty interesting,well atleast they address your question

i love zizek.... please link me I'd love to hear him on this.

so, now that high-dog is out of the way... what do you mean by environmentalism? are you just talking about the notion that protecting the earth's environment is important? or some other, more extreme version of the word?

the planet will outlive humanity's stay on it, i'm pretty certain of that - but i wouldn't dismiss attempts to protect the environment (that is, the environment that 1] gave us the chance to exist and 2] currently makes for a pretty nice place for our species to kick it) just because nature is stronger than anything we can temporarily impose on it. that's kinda (kinda) the same logic as "well i think it's OK to rob [department store] because i mean it doesn't actually hurt anyone when I do it, and it's not like the store is going to go out of business" - that might be true if you're the consumer but that doesn't make the justification a good one.

idk

im dang high

for all i know the moon is just a giant painted backdrop planted by teh cia. never set foot on the fucker myself

i think the computers are really sucking us out of reality

i mean that seriously. i mean, the present moment seems somehow less filled out when the computer has infiltrated our senses

that's just a personal problem you're having

is this the kind of thing stoners looks at when there high?

  On 6/18/2011 at 8:22 AM, luke viia said:

that's just a personal problem you're having

I believe it is a widespread problem

vamos, we're cool. we are. but you're s schizo

perhaps you are destined to become a luddite.

if not, plz continue enjoying the infiltration you have asked upon yourself by using and owning a computer for various leisurely activities

about that environment: seems to me a good way to save it would be to embrace non-wasteful technologies and buy your veggies locally

peace bro

  On 6/18/2011 at 8:25 AM, vamos scorcho said:

is this the kind of thing stoners looks at when there high?

 

no.

  On 6/18/2011 at 6:48 AM, Franklin said:

what if this environmentalism thing is in fact wrong?

 

What if we assumed that nature will adapt to the changes humans and other species have inflicted on it as it has for millions of years, meaning we don't have to worry about damaging the planet beyond repair because it will fix itself OR when those markets crash and companies fail industry reorganizes into new companies (probably with the same leaders lol) that either reverses affects of new creation (ex. more carbon dioxide in air, greatly reduced ozone layer, worldwide flood, basically anything actually causing the environment to grievously alter it's current state of living (my new definition), or come up with a way to sell ways to deal with it?

 

whaaaaat?

isn't this exactly what I said in my ice-age thread about self-regulating systems?

I was just all like: "think I'll deprive myself of sleep for a long time"

my god cant .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGCfiv1xtoU

zizek

i'm getting some really good vibes from this thread.

  On 6/18/2011 at 2:18 PM, elliot said:

my god cant .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGCfiv1xtoU

 

zizek

holy fuck dude high five.

I can barely wrap my head around this having been brought up to respect ecological endeavors.

  On 6/18/2011 at 7:42 AM, luke viia said:

Though I've never gotten high, I've had this thought.

  On 6/18/2011 at 7:42 AM, luke viia said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skt0xnoTkDw

if this is a profound thought...

That is fucking brilliant.

  On 6/18/2011 at 7:58 AM, luke viia said:

so, now that high-dog is out of the way... what do you mean by environmentalism? are you just talking about the notion that protecting the earth's environment is important? or some other, more extreme version of the word?

 

the planet will outlive humanity's stay on it, i'm pretty certain of that - but i wouldn't dismiss attempts to protect the environment (that is, the environment that 1] gave us the chance to exist and 2] currently makes for a pretty nice place for our species to kick it) just because nature is stronger than anything we can temporarily impose on it. that's kinda (kinda) the same logic as "well i think it's OK to rob [department store] because i mean it doesn't actually hurt anyone when I do it, and it's not like the store is going to go out of business" - that might be true if you're the consumer but that doesn't make the justification a good one.

 

idk

im dang high

He wouldn't be anti-environmentalism if he was dying from lead, mercury and PCB poisoning whilst simultaneously burning from falling rain and high energy coming through a gaping hole in the ozone layer.

His point that systems will reorganize, is manifest in the environmental movement itself. It is that reorganization. Get with the program hippy.