EKT'ers musical shortcomings discussion swap

  Kcinsu said:

  Darren said:

  Kcinsu said:

I'll take some constructive criticism, if anyone has any.

Your tracks are very well produced, but sometimes I find them not 'raw' enough if you get what I mean. It's hard for me to comment more cos I haven't heard that much of your stuff.. but maybe they're too highly polished? dunno

 

Me: New City 16

 

Shoot

 

I can see that. I guess its my personal aesthetic... I like things sounding crisp and polished. Do you think its just production wise, or content-wise as well?

moreso content-wise, definately. I'd say there's a lack of emotion in certain parts but then that's totally subjective as I'm sure you put your heart into your music, as we all do, I just assumed that maybe you were concentrating on the production part more than what the next chord change should be

there was a track you posted a couple of years ago, The Current State Of Sofia - that showed a deep understanding of composition. I played that a lot.. but, I dunno, some of the music on your site isn't as good as this track

  Darren said:

  Kcinsu said:

  Darren said:

  Kcinsu said:

I'll take some constructive criticism, if anyone has any.

Your tracks are very well produced, but sometimes I find them not 'raw' enough if you get what I mean. It's hard for me to comment more cos I haven't heard that much of your stuff.. but maybe they're too highly polished? dunno

 

Me: New City 16

 

Shoot

 

I can see that. I guess its my personal aesthetic... I like things sounding crisp and polished. Do you think its just production wise, or content-wise as well?

moreso content-wise, definately. I'd say there's a lack of emotion in certain parts but then that's totally subjective as I'm sure you put your heart into your music, as we all do, I just assumed that maybe you were concentrating on the production part more than what the next chord change should be

 

there was a track you posted a couple of years ago, The Current State Of Sofia - that showed a deep understanding of composition. I played that a lot.. but, I dunno, some of the music on your site isn't as good as this track

Do you have any tracks in mind for that first paragraph, or is it just an overall thing? I definately agree that the older stuff on my site is more production based, then composition based, which is why the only real new electronic stuff, is my 20 min soundcollage... I spent most of my time since those older tracks doing just composition stuff, for this very reason. I felt like my music didn't have enough composition. The soundcollage, I think finally found the balance for me, with sound and compositition, but since then, I haven't had time to make any tunes (ie, songs with beats) using both... I'm just too busy with finishing up with school. I definately plan to sit down and work on new stuff when I'm out, which I hope will be rich both compositionally, and production wise.

Honestly, most of the stuff on my site, with beats, I don't like so much...

swap?

Re: New City 16

I've actually not heard a lot, but from what I've heard, it seemed very standard. I do have to say, most of the sounds (although nice sounding) sound like presets to me. Not saying they are... just saying they have that standard typical sound one would expect to be presets. I guess not very adventerous.

From the tracks I've listened to, there hasn't seemd to be much variation within each track, as in, its the same sounds/instruments throughout, and even though there might be climactic points in your tracks, the fact that you don't change the sounds much, kind of makes them feel static and anticlimactic.

I guess my criticism is the opposite of yours... your chords and melodies etc, are all very nice and seem well thought out, but the production seems very limited (not in quality... the sounds and mixing are all clean, and well produced) but I mean, in the sense that you were thinking more about the next chord, and not the sounds which carried to chord.

i'd agree with that - I use nothing but reason and I've always used presets.. or a slightly modified preset. Thanks thats interesting

I wouldn't have guessed reason. The production quality seems crisper then most reason stuff I've heard. Do you bounce directly from reason, or do you rewire it into something else, and record through that?

  Kcinsu said:

I wouldn't have guessed reason. The production quality seems crisper then most reason stuff I've heard. Do you bounce directly from reason, or do you rewire it into something else, and record through that?

What tracks are you listening too? Actually for my Project 168 part 3 EP I forced myself to use Ableton and didn't use reason at all, it was a truamatic experience I didn't enjoy it

so, up until my p168-3 EP I used soley reason, no bouncing, just plain export from reason then convert to mp3

  Kcinsu said:

I've actually not heard a lot, but from what I've heard, it seemed very standard.

OUCH!!!!!! New City 16 stndard ????

omg. where has the music come to... if that is standard.

not want to be offending.... kcinsu... i really love both of you, really. but where should all the "QUALITY CONTROL" discussion on the web point to... if new city 16 is standard.

well indeed. lay back. listen:

reteu013 new city 16 - f91w direct play

reteu014 new city 16 - pre direct play

you can grab a lot of his improvement if you listen to his older stuff in the retropublik backcatalogue. take care... 013 has 3 tracks , 014 has 9 ... so it will take an hour at all.

btw. i am open for discussion about me too. but i also say... there are some people that need an improvement very hard. chris moss is making a good job, where he could really make an awesome for what he knows and what he's up to. i mean really within the work he obviously loves. not wanting to change someone direction... but its really a hard job ... to say a critic in a way that the other one is understanding. you need to care for your ears and your own heart ... as much as you need to care what the other one perhaps was upon to.

i don't feel a lot people are actually good in doing a critic. that perhaps includes me. the language is the music, but how can you answer innit ?

blunderbox, gwype, and little italy

  Kcinsu said:

blunderbox, gwype, and little italy

ah right they're really early ones. Latest is 'Pre' and F-91-w On Retropublik (they're not listed Chronologically)

anyway, enough about me

  Max said:

  Kcinsu said:

I've actually not heard a lot, but from what I've heard, it seemed very standard.

 

 

OUCH!!!!!! New City 16 stndard ????

 

omg. where has the music come to... if that is standard.

 

not want to be offending.... kcinsu... i really love both of you, really. but where should all the "QUALITY CONTROL" discussion on the web point to... if new city 16 is standard.

sorry?

  Darren said:

  Kcinsu said:

blunderbox, gwype, and little italy

ah right they're really early ones. Latest is 'Pre' and F-91-w On Retropublik (they're not listed Chronologically)

 

anyway, enough about me

cool, I'll check them out

  Darren said:

(they're not listed Chronologically)

i'm sorry about that. the code generated in the discogs is somehow alphabetical or what... i can't say. my developer is on vacation, but i have also trouble with the "all releases" discog with the regions. i hope i get some handy CSS code somewhen...because up to now no one could help me over there for real. (i still need to email someone who actually DOES good jobs with it, perhaps that may be good by then)

i wanted to say that... because the catalogue id's are already sorted chronological, and i want to do that in the artist sort then too. its actually not how it should be. i am really sorry about it.

btw, Im enjoying playing with your balls, didnt know avatars could be anything other then static pictures

Maybe we need a "report card" to fill out in the latest creations forum for people's topics...?

Well, not topics. Musics.

  Kcinsu said:

sorry?

yeah perhaps check out the latest ones, and after that we need perhaps to clear up what is standard is. you can point to harmonics, rhythm, sound presets. something like that. i just don't know, because from the notation and the sort of rhythm and the choice of his vocal samples i really don't feel i can compare him to someone else... and if... thats actually only funkstörung - and i like them a lot, as i do with new city 16.

but if you only listened to the older ones... thats a different thing what you said. you are actually right in a way for the older ones.

Well, isn't the EKT area the most important, anyway? I get tired of hearing about "what drugs I do" and such. It's funny, but it's too imbalanced.

  Max said:

btw. i am open for discussion about me too. but i also say...

Frank, I find some of your tracks have a 'null' in them.. like a segment where the track doesn't really know where it's going?

Your best track is 'stars' off 168-2 - that's in my top 10 of 168

  Kcinsu said:

btw, Im enjoying playing with your balls, didnt know avatars could be anything other then static pictures

be gentle

  Darren said:

  Max said:

btw. i am open for discussion about me too. but i also say...

Frank, I find some of your tracks have a 'null' in them.. like a segment where the track doesn't really know where it's going?

 

Your best track is 'stars' off 168-2 - that's in my top 10 of 168

 

did i say my real name ever ? actually max is my second name since 12 years now. i'm used to both

i prepare a longer answer. i've written some things already, but i just pasted into notepad. i think its important to make some less syntax errors.

btw, did you listen to reteu018 ? =)

  william s. braintree said:

I don't know how to tell people their music is boring without sounding like an asshole.

I'm only harsh with people if they come off really egotistical. Or I judge with higher standards if the post and music comes with an ego. A good case would have been od++.

  Max said:

btw, did you listen to reteu018 ? =)

oh missed that one, listening now

  Darren said:

I think this would be really helpfull

 

there's great music posted here, but I think in general people are too polite. I think constructive musical criticism wouldn't go a miss. No ass-kissing

 

ok shoot

ok, maybe thiz iz not constructive criticism, but i´ll give it a try.

GOD GIVES NUTS TO THOSE WHO DON´T HAVE TEETH

we use to say that over here to people who have everything and don´t taek anything decent out from it, music, sports, carrer, movie, everything...

so what i mean is, YOUR EXPERIENCE/METHOD/KNOWLEDGE PLUS MY TASTE/IMAGINATION = APHEX TWIN

last time i used criticism in watmm i got flamed out....

Max do you use reason?

I'll swap with someone.

I'm damn straight with people; I tell them exactly what I think. Sadly there are one or two people here who just don't get the point of 'Your Lastest' and start to tell me and others why mine/their views/criticism is wrong.

Down the years I've totally appreciated the views I've gotten from here and otherwise. Its definitely definitely been all to the good because its pushed me to try new things and improve my techniques (least I think). Fact is I know within that I can improve and that is very warmning because I'd hate to think that I couldn't and thats why taking on board crits is so key. :laughing: