A request to the modern electronic music composer

it hurts my breain

  On 7/22/2011 at 2:57 PM, mcbpete said:

Plus it's gonna date your track.

This is a concept that's really weird to me, it never clicked in my head.

I get that you have a lot of crappy artists that sound like off-brands of better artists from their time period because they only had just enough skill to follow a trend half-assed-ly,

but I mean surely you could make a side-chained, broken beat, wobble bass, auto-tuned track (just to take the scenario as extreme as possible) that's really really good if you were a real clever guy and it'd still be really good decades later, even though its obviously from a certain time..right? There's loads of "dated" material from very far in the past that's still great, to me.

TL;DR, I just either think somethin' sounds good or it don't yaknowtimean?

no this thread is about bitches and tea

hatting it is just as a trend as it is using it... STOP WHINING!!!

2035: remember when people where always whining about auto-tune and sidechain compression?!?!

  On 7/23/2011 at 5:27 PM, Homestar Runner said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-7LIxvygw

 

this?

pretty much entire lone albums...

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:02 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

2035: remember when people where always whining about auto-tune and sidechain compression?!?!

inb4 the whine: Falcon & Bangalter

[youtubehd]jcBWtn9aGYM[/youtubehd]

[youtubehd]z7Gg0RdEWQk[/youtubehd]

I love this shit to death, please don't misattribute the fact that music sucks in 2011 to sidechain compression.

  On 7/24/2011 at 1:22 AM, ieafs said:

you don't have to like it, but it's not some sort of debasement of what "real music" should be like or something. more than ever little production trends like kind of distinguish most music of today from any other time.

 

i like it sometimes... just as i sometimes like 60s backwards guitar solos, 70s arpeggiated synths, 80s fairlight sequencing, early 60s schmaltz string arrangements, late 90s megaphone effect, 80s linn drum, 50s slapback echo and a billion other 'dated' signifiers

a lot of those other signifiers you mentioned though were organically sprung up from the toolsets of those time periods. Side chain compression has been around and available to people for all of my lifetime.

I see it just as the ultimate mob mentality aping of the 'hot' sound where as right now kids are bending over backwards to do side chaining on their tracks, back in the 50s you didn't really have to try to get slapback echo, it just fuckin happened. Also side chain compression is almost meant to evoke an old sound or some kind of overly tape saturated sound. Your comparisons would work a lot better if it was Autotune and not side chain compression we are talking about.

there's a lot of good music out there that isn't using/abusing these tricks... why whine about compression when you can just as easily shift your ears to something fresh?

Side-chaining can really turn me off at times, but it really does it for me other times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h768xGeMpsE

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:30 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/24/2011 at 1:22 AM, ieafs said:

you don't have to like it, but it's not some sort of debasement of what "real music" should be like or something. more than ever little production trends like kind of distinguish most music of today from any other time.

 

i like it sometimes... just as i sometimes like 60s backwards guitar solos, 70s arpeggiated synths, 80s fairlight sequencing, early 60s schmaltz string arrangements, late 90s megaphone effect, 80s linn drum, 50s slapback echo and a billion other 'dated' signifiers

 

a lot of those other signifiers you mentioned though were organically sprung up from the toolsets of those time periods. Side chain compression has been around and available to people for all of my lifetime.

I see it just as the ultimate mob mentality aping of the 'hot' sound where as right now kids are bending over backwards to do side chaining on their tracks, back in the 50s you didn't really have to try to get slapback echo, it just fuckin happened. Also side chain compression is almost meant to evoke an old sound or some kind of overly tape saturated sound. Your comparisons would work a lot better if it was Autotune and not side chain compression we are talking about.

nah, backwards guitar solos and schmaltz string arrangements don't just happen. I think ieafs makes a good case. It's good that the last 10 years has a few things that set it aside from the eras to come before it, gimmicky though they may be. Anyway, lots of people just genuinely enjoy that sound.

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:24 PM, manmower said:

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:02 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

2035: remember when people where always whining about auto-tune and sidechain compression?!?!

 

 

inb4 the whine: Falcon & Bangalter

 

[youtubehd]jcBWtn9aGYM[/youtubehd]

[youtubehd]z7Gg0RdEWQk[/youtubehd]

 

I love this shit to death, please don't misattribute the fact that music sucks in 2011 to sidechain compression.

goddamn someone finally brought the good word into this thread.

if this is wrong, i don't want to be right.

  On 7/23/2011 at 1:32 PM, mcbpete said:

hahathhat: Actually your use is pretty restrained

orly? time to fire up ableton again !!!

  On 7/23/2011 at 1:32 PM, mcbpete said:

Is side-chain-with-beats this year's buffer override ?

the answer would be yes. squarepusher shobaleader ed banger, and an SOS interview blathering about how his Euphonix can sidechain everything to anything

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:30 PM, Awepittance said:

I see it just as the ultimate mob mentality aping of the 'hot' sound where as right now kids are bending over backwards to do side chaining on their tracks

Thinking about it today on my way to work I think my problem is more this (effect bandwagon jumping) than the effect itself. The actual effect was quite novel the first few times I heard it, but then track after track/artist after artist seemed to jump on the bandwagon. It was like last year (or the year before) when everyone seemed to use that wonky quantising technique on tracks.

I haven't really noticed it bothering me, Baths definitely over-produces things in a number of ways sometimes but I can think of Nosaj Thing and Toro Y Moi songs that heavily use sidechain compression on the kick drum and it sounds great to me.

  On 7/24/2011 at 9:02 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

hatting it is just as a trend

I'm surprised you rag on Com Truise about this. His usage is, in my opinion, tasteful compared to some of the other tracks posted in here.

That's just totally wrong. It's the same as telling to stop using 808 drums, autotune, minor saw chords, beat repeat, 4/4 drum loops, whatever. Everyone's doing it now, It's not big, it's not clever. I could tell the same about almost anything. It's just a tool to get a certain effect that sometimes is needed. It's the problem with producers who use it where it isn't needed or in a way that it's ugly. I try to not listen to music I don't like so I don't see any problem here. You should try that as well.

Stop using the snare drum, it's in everything these days.

  On 7/25/2011 at 11:49 PM, Al5x said:

Stop using sound, it's in everything these days.

Fixed.

Fuck the haters till they'ze dead! Swag all day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbqhOsOxVQ

damn i just worked this out after reading some article about daft punk and side chaining. and now its not cool bah *removes robot helmet*

  On 7/25/2011 at 11:49 PM, Al5x said:

Stop using the snare drum, it's in everything these days.

exactly.

  On 7/26/2011 at 12:14 AM, Deepex said:

Fuck the haters till they'ze dead! Swag all day!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbqhOsOxVQ

exactly.

  On 7/25/2011 at 11:43 PM, Adam Beker said:

That's just totally wrong. It's the same as telling to stop using 808 drums, autotune, minor saw chords, beat repeat, 4/4 drum loops

Nah man, those are things you add to a track rather than a global mastering effect. I see it like if someone decided to plaster a flange effect over the entire mix and that track became popular, so then countless other people decided to stick a flange effect over their track as well - surely you'd end up finding that sound rather tiring ?