CERN discovers FTL particle (possibly)

a fog passed me this link http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/opera_confirms_neutrinos_travel_faster_light-84763

+ reddit thread

  On 10/18/2011 at 4:55 PM, kaini said:

It makes absolutely zero sense to even talk about 70 km/s/Mpc on terrestrial scales. That expansion isn't just outweighed by local gravitational effects; it doesn't exist here.

Please define "exist"

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As in, if you mathematically model the spacetime around the Earth, the cosmic expansion isn't even a factor which somehow gets outweighed by other things, it's straight-up not there.

there as 'in the model' ?

neutrino hater

Babar...... fuckin' Babar.

  On 11/18/2011 at 11:42 AM, Babar said:

  On 10/18/2011 at 4:55 PM, kaini said:

It makes absolutely zero sense to even talk about 70 km/s/Mpc on terrestrial scales. That expansion isn't just outweighed by local gravitational effects; it doesn't exist here.

 

Please define "exist"

 

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As in, if you mathematically model the spacetime around the Earth, the cosmic expansion isn't even a factor which somehow gets outweighed by other things, it's straight-up not there.

 

there as 'in the model' ?

if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist.

Big deal. We're all professional weirdos down here. ;p

also babar's doing his usual mire-the-discussion-in-semantics shit.

Babar is the king of weirdos.

I find he is mostly the king of annoying.

He is mentally ill, give him a break.

This is quite exciting (the neutrino stuff, not the discussion on Babar).

from neil degrasse tyson's ama:

  On 11/18/2011 at 2:33 PM, kaini said:

if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist.

yet you're the utterer.

But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning).

We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience.

So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear.

I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere.

here we go again

i want to live in babars head for a day

He's got valid philosophical points, I enjoy his every post, even druggy ones.

  On 11/18/2011 at 6:49 PM, Babar said:

  On 11/18/2011 at 2:33 PM, kaini said:

if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist.

 

yet you're the utterer.

But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning).

We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience.

 

So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear.

 

 

I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere.

i love you, you french elephant.

say what you will, but the image of an elephant evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate is pretty poetic

It's not like it's the first mass extinction we've ever faced.

  On 11/18/2011 at 6:49 PM, Babar said:

We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear.

I see dread in people who can't appreciate things like elegant solutions to sitting and being warm. I like you Babar but I'm pouring my bright orange French dressing on the sidewalk right now.

  On 11/19/2011 at 3:22 AM, Hoodie said:

  On 11/18/2011 at 6:49 PM, Babar said:

  On 11/18/2011 at 2:33 PM, kaini said:

if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist.

 

yet you're the utterer.

But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning).

We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience.

 

So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear.

 

 

I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere.

 

i love you, you french elephant.

Have you heard from America lately? Science is a bad word here. We're so enlightened.

Juggalos 4 Christ up yo ass muthafucker!

i don't understand this, when I heard it was a gps related data problem I got a good lol, but now they are claiming to have reproduced it. what is this shit, i don't even know, my best friend is a physicist and he's telling me this is bullshit, who do i believe, what the tits is

It's too early to call it. They still need to repeat the experiments in other labs to see if it really is true. Most are skeptical, as they should be, since relativity has so far withstood countless of experiments that confirmed it. Now that one staple such as the speed limit is being questioned there will be some raised eyebrows. But from what I understand if it is indeed true that neutrinos travel faster than light it's not going to mean that all the physics theories need to be rebuilt from scratch. They just need some tweaking.

barman says...

"sorry, we don't serve neutrinos"

...

a neutrino enters a bar.

  On 11/19/2011 at 4:27 AM, chenGOD said:

It's not like it's the first mass extinction we've ever faced.

depends what 'we' means. If it means the collectivity of homo sapiens, then yes it's the first.

  On 11/18/2011 at 11:03 PM, theSun said:

i want to live in babars head for a day

mostly, I feel lonely. I feel strong.

  On 11/19/2011 at 5:13 AM, jules said:

  On 11/18/2011 at 6:49 PM, Babar said:

We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear.

I see dread in people who can't appreciate things like elegant solutions to sitting and being warm. I like you Babar but I'm pouring my bright orange French dressing on the sidewalk right now.

We regularly receive in our mailbox ads for that awesome bose sound system, and my mom always shows me the flyer, telling me how she'd like to buy one. Beyond the fact she'll get owned once she owns this thing, I asked her why she wants to buy it. "I don't know", she said, "I feel bad".

So you're talking about chairs and jackets like elegant solutions. To what problems ? Don't you already have chairs to sit your ass on and jackets to wrap your flesh into ?

  On 11/19/2011 at 5:13 AM, baph said:

Have you heard from America lately? Science is a bad word here. We're so enlightened.

 

Juggalos 4 Christ up yo ass muthafucker!

yeah yeah, I forgot about american creationists … But maybe there is room for these people in the scientific debate. Instead of focusing on the invalidity of their points, maybe you could make them surf on their own god-related dynamics. Many great scientists were believers.