We are the Foundation

Hey Atop, are you a real person?

I (used to) play this little game at work, when I am in a good mood anyway, called secret Foucault where I do the part of Little Prince (Demian) and do some 'stuff'. It's mostly PG 4chan trolling and it takes a long time before you start noticing the effects on people but it's quite interesting. Be aware that the game rapidly gets out of control once it reaches some vague breaking point so approach with caution. That's why I don't do it anymore. But hey, at least you can't go to jail for pulling pranks right?

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indeed it wont. no mention in any of the mainstream media ive read/watched of the flash bang grenade incident. they mention the injuring of scott olsen, but no links/mention of that disgusting video.

I'm slow so I had to read the lyrics a couple of times as well

http://www.gilscottheron.com/lyrevol.html

well occupysf wasn't raided last night. but 200 cops were suited up nearby..so they changed their mind.

  On 10/27/2011 at 5:47 PM, Benedict Cumberbatch said:

well occupysf wasn't raided last night. but 200 cops were suited up nearby..so they changed their mind.

it's a good thing - they may just be bluffing though. the govt has resources for a long drawn out conflict, a bunch of poor ass hippies do not. after a few of these near-disaster anticlimaxes people will start packing it up.

maybe we will see some recognition from the president. can't wait till he campaign-modes the protests and gets a bunch of noobs on the obamaboat for 2012 with silly hollow promises

saw some great footage on the news on occupy san jose. every night they pick their tents up and move across the street to public property and then every monring they walk back across carrying their tents to the city hall (or wherever they are)

#kindaoccupysj

not that i can really talk i did one march and sleep in my comfy bed everynight

  On 10/27/2011 at 6:35 PM, theSun said:

  On 10/27/2011 at 5:47 PM, Benedict Cumberbatch said:

well occupysf wasn't raided last night. but 200 cops were suited up nearby..so they changed their mind.

 

it's a good thing - they may just be bluffing though. the govt has resources for a long drawn out conflict, a bunch of poor ass hippies do not. after a few of these near-disaster anticlimaxes people will start packing it up.

 

maybe we will see some recognition from the president. can't wait till he campaign-modes the protests and gets a bunch of noobs on the obamaboat for 2012 with silly hollow promises

i think this view point greatly underestimates the very serious amount of anger people feel. referring to the protesters collectively as "hippies" is really naive. this will get bigger and bigger.. the culture is changing and this is a death/birth spasm.. its difficult to see this shift towards mainstream politics.. i just dont see it happening.

it won't shift to mainstream unless people start dying. until that happens, enjoy the media playing footage of the most eccentric OWSers shitting on the ground and smoking their dope. this is the image that the media has created for the whole movement, and it is going to take more than just one guy getting whacked with a teargas canister to change corporate strategy.

the anger people feel will not last forever. they cannot camp out indefinitely. the police, on the other hand, have an unlimited budget with which they can manipulate the public to (ultimately) the advantage the corporations.

in fact, consider this: corporate powers want this to escalate. they want the OWSers to be perceived as a menace, that they have no direction, that they are prone to violence and that they are uninformed. imagine if they were to pay off 3 or 4 police officers, or even send some NSA agent as a police officer, perhaps unbeknownst to the local squad or perhaps with their cooperation, to incite violence. imagine if cops were paid off to throw a few flash bangs into helpless crowds, then it was written off as one or 2 bad apples while the OWS movement reacts defensively (perhaps with violence) and of course the conflict would escalate. it would further serve to polarize each side, as people for OWS will cite cop violence as the instigator and people against OWS will cite the protestors.

  On 10/27/2011 at 7:21 PM, theSun said:

it won't shift to mainstream unless people start dying. until that happens, enjoy the media playing footage of the most eccentric OWSers shitting on the ground and smoking their dope. this is the image that the media has created for the whole movement, and it is going to take more than just one guy getting whacked with a teargas canister to change corporate strategy.

 

the anger people feel will not last forever. they cannot camp out indefinitely. the police, on the other hand, have an unlimited budget with which they can manipulate the public to (ultimately) the advantage the corporations.

 

in fact, consider this: corporate powers want this to escalate. they want the OWSers to be perceived as a menace, that they have no direction, that they are prone to violence and that they are uninformed. imagine if they were to pay off 3 or 4 police officers, or even send some NSA agent as a police officer, perhaps unbeknownst to the local squad or perhaps with their cooperation, to incite violence. imagine if cops were paid off to throw a few flash bangs into helpless crowds, then it was written off as one or 2 bad apples while the OWS movement reacts defensively (perhaps with violence) and of course the conflict would escalate. it would further serve to polarize each side, as people for OWS will cite cop violence as the instigator and people against OWS will cite the protestors.

have you seen the polls? 43% of americans support the protests while 30 something percent are undecided. Thats dangerously close to mainstream already. mainstream in the sense that if it keeps growing the majority of americans will support it, while not mainstream in the sense the the corporate media will continue to spin and take things out of context. i know its a cliche at this point, but the internet and social media are really subverting big medias influence on public opinion, and this subversion will only get stronger imo.

youre right, people cant stay angry forever and this is why these protests are happening. youre right, people cant camp out indefinitely but the anger is so palpable that im not sure how this is all going to end. i just dont see it petering off and things going back to business as usual..

i can certainly see underhanded tricks like the ones you described being used to disrupt the protests, but lets cross that bridge if/when we come to it. I dont think things like that are happening currently.

yeah i don't know what coverage you watchign but its very clear its not just hippies/lifer activists. its a total cross section out there (at least at the marches)

i've only seen clips and a few minutes of network news coverage. i've been reading and watching you tubes mostly.

the few clips i did see seemed to magnify the most interestingly dressed people there and gave it a non-serious vibe. people were dancing and laughing, many of the visuals i saw were similar to bonaroo or some outdoor festival. it doesn't matter (much) who is actually there, far more people are watching it on tv. it's easy to influence public opinion using CNN, and it's a tried tested method. however, if the movement gets big enough and people are posting on FB, twitter, etc constantly it will be interesting to see how the media portrays the movement.

i will say that last night on the ABC news show with brian williams or some other clone, they did a good job showing the clips without clear bias. they didn't comment on the police throwing a flash bang into a crowd other than saying there were "reports" of it and playing some oakland police chief denying they used any. so maybe i shouldn't be so cynical about the coverage.

i've been pretty busy at work this week so not much time to sit around and inform myself

  On 10/27/2011 at 7:47 PM, Z_B_Z said:

i know its a cliche at this point, but the internet and social media are really subverting big medias influence on public opinion, and this subversion will only get stronger imo.

I really hope this proves true, in the Arab Spring uprisings it was decentralized social media vs. state media, whereas corporate media (especially the American strain) is an an altogether different vile beast.

CNN, Al Jazeera & Russia Today on youtube and Media Roots are the only news sites I check. They seem to be covering it well enough, especially Media Roots. Otherwise I am just trusting my gut on this one and agree that this is going to keep getting bigger and it will keep getting more diverse people into the movement.

to THO4: I am me, and you can ask some old schoolers around here about me, but the only "trolling" I might be perceived as doing, is simply being a sarcastic person. I apologize if you don't "get" me. Please don't be condescending to me though. I am not here to play games.

  On 10/27/2011 at 8:54 PM, Bob Dobalina said:

  On 10/27/2011 at 7:47 PM, Z_B_Z said:

i know its a cliche at this point, but the internet and social media are really subverting big medias influence on public opinion, and this subversion will only get stronger imo.

 

I really hope this proves true, in the Arab Spring uprisings it was decentralized social media vs. state media, whereas corporate media (especially the American strain) is an an altogether different vile beast.

yeah this is true. i find reports that google is receiving pressure from law enforcement agencies to take down videos of possible police brutality to be really disturbing.. but the viral nature with which media spreads definitely bodes well for transparency.. ultimately it seems like a bigger force than any corporation or government can control, short of completely shutting down the internet. god knows something like that that would certainly (at the very least) quadruple the protesters numbers..

Seems pretty clear to me that this isn't just a bunch of hippies.

it looks more mostly like hipSTERS imo not theres anythign wrong with that but i think they shouldent be so mean to the police sweaering at them and stuff. there just being pawns anyway not the 1's givign orders (or giving orders to give orders) suer theres some (or alot) b holes in them but the real reovlution will need police at leasdt split after all there the 99% to

It is in certain cities, e.g. Austin Texas. In Dallas, where I live, it was mainly hipsters the times I have gone down for support. I think in Chicago, NYC, Oakland, and perhaps LA, there is a more diverse group of people protesting. It will become more varied as time goes on.

edit: can I delete sup's post above mine?

  On 10/27/2011 at 11:26 PM, sup said:

it looks more mostly like hipSTERS imo not theres anythign wrong with that but i think they shouldent be so mean to the police sweaering at them and stuff. there just being pawns anyway not the 1's givign orders (or giving orders to give orders) suer theres some (or alot) b holes in them but the real reovlution will need police at leasdt split after all there the 99% to

they shouldnt be so mean to police? really? have you been paying attention?

the "real" revolution?

actually im inclined to think youre trolling. probably shouldnt have responded

  On 10/27/2011 at 11:29 PM, Atop said:

can I delete sup?

sup is a joyrex sanctioned trolldupe, you're messing with sup - you're messing with joyrex.

  On 10/28/2011 at 1:27 AM, Z_B_Z said:

  On 10/27/2011 at 11:26 PM, sup said:

it looks more mostly like hipSTERS imo not theres anythign wrong with that but i think they shouldent be so mean to the police sweaering at them and stuff. there just being pawns anyway not the 1's givign orders (or giving orders to give orders) suer theres some (or alot) b holes in them but the real reovlution will need police at leasdt split after all there the 99% to

 

they shouldnt be so mean to police? really? have you been paying attention?

 

the "real" revolution?

 

 

actually im inclined to think youre trolling. probably shouldnt have responded

I don't know why you hadn't realised this before. your credibility is compromised.

ive never read his posts?

i just dont see why should they swear to them. its poitless

being a potty mouth dosent make ur point stronger