Skrillex - Discuss, Debate, Praise, Hate

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Hi

  On 2/1/2012 at 12:35 AM, asymmetrical head said:

He just called me a bit ago and told me that he played January by Venetian Snares in a lecture and those kids said that it wasn't hard enough and boring.

 

Hmm, I think he could have demonstrated the thrill of Vsnares a lot better than "January". "Fuck Toronto Jungle", "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole", "Ultraviolent Junglist", etc. Also Aaron has some tracks that make me laugh my ass off even if I don't like the actual track that much like "Gentleman", so even if his bass drops don't suffice for them, there's plenty else he has to offer.

 

It also makes me wonder if, as someone who plays with electronic music as a hobby, or even more generally, someone who has a generally broader understanding of the possibilities of electronic music, we understand "hard hitting" or "heavy" to mean something different. When I was 19 I convinced my roommate's girlfriend to play my Loveless CD in her car by saying it was "heavier than Metallica". She and my roommate were both underwhelmed. On a cynical I would hate to think that the very things we find annoying about Skrillex are what they like about him, though I think that's likely.

he should just play the autechre glasgow sbd and then declare class over for the semester.

  On 2/1/2012 at 3:04 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 12:35 AM, asymmetrical head said:

He just called me a bit ago and told me that he played January by Venetian Snares in a lecture and those kids said that it wasn't hard enough and boring.

 

Hmm, I think he could have demonstrated the thrill of Vsnares a lot better than "January". "Fuck Toronto Jungle", "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole", "Ultraviolent Junglist", etc. Also Aaron has some tracks that make me laugh my ass off even if I don't like the actual track that much like "Gentleman", so even if his bass drops don't suffice for them, there's plenty else he has to offer.

 

It also makes me wonder if, as someone who plays with electronic music as a hobby, or even more generally, someone who has a generally broader understanding of the possibilities of electronic music, we understand "hard hitting" or "heavy" to mean something different. When I was 19 I convinced my roommate's girlfriend to play my Loveless CD in her car by saying it was "heavier than Metallica". She and my roommate were both underwhelmed. On a cynical I would hate to think that the very things we find annoying about Skrillex are what they like about him, though I think that's likely.

adjectives about music like that are subjective anyways. I mean, what does heavy even mean in music? It could just mean loud. It could mean all of the sonic space is taken up. It could mean playing slowly behind the beat. It could mean playing certain note intervals (like abusing flatted 5ths). It could mean you're playing on the OD channel in your amp. It could mean you tuned down to drop a or whatever.

  On 2/1/2012 at 4:49 PM, couch said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 3:04 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 12:35 AM, asymmetrical head said:

He just called me a bit ago and told me that he played January by Venetian Snares in a lecture and those kids said that it wasn't hard enough and boring.

 

Hmm, I think he could have demonstrated the thrill of Vsnares a lot better than "January". "Fuck Toronto Jungle", "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole", "Ultraviolent Junglist", etc. Also Aaron has some tracks that make me laugh my ass off even if I don't like the actual track that much like "Gentleman", so even if his bass drops don't suffice for them, there's plenty else he has to offer.

 

It also makes me wonder if, as someone who plays with electronic music as a hobby, or even more generally, someone who has a generally broader understanding of the possibilities of electronic music, we understand "hard hitting" or "heavy" to mean something different. When I was 19 I convinced my roommate's girlfriend to play my Loveless CD in her car by saying it was "heavier than Metallica". She and my roommate were both underwhelmed. On a cynical I would hate to think that the very things we find annoying about Skrillex are what they like about him, though I think that's likely.

adjectives about music like that are subjective anyways. I mean, what does heavy even mean in music? It could just mean loud. It could mean all of the sonic space is taken up. It could mean playing slowly behind the beat. It could mean playing certain note intervals (like abusing flatted 5ths). It could mean you're playing on the OD channel in your amp. It could mean you tuned down to drop a or whatever.

My point exactly.

ITT: we reproduce our parents opinions about our musical taste at 17/18

  On 2/1/2012 at 4:49 PM, couch said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 3:04 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 12:35 AM, asymmetrical head said:

He just called me a bit ago and told me that he played January by Venetian Snares in a lecture and those kids said that it wasn't hard enough and boring.

 

Hmm, I think he could have demonstrated the thrill of Vsnares a lot better than "January". "Fuck Toronto Jungle", "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole", "Ultraviolent Junglist", etc. Also Aaron has some tracks that make me laugh my ass off even if I don't like the actual track that much like "Gentleman", so even if his bass drops don't suffice for them, there's plenty else he has to offer.

 

It also makes me wonder if, as someone who plays with electronic music as a hobby, or even more generally, someone who has a generally broader understanding of the possibilities of electronic music, we understand "hard hitting" or "heavy" to mean something different. When I was 19 I convinced my roommate's girlfriend to play my Loveless CD in her car by saying it was "heavier than Metallica". She and my roommate were both underwhelmed. On a cynical I would hate to think that the very things we find annoying about Skrillex are what they like about him, though I think that's likely.

adjectives about music like that are subjective anyways. I mean, what does heavy even mean in music? It could just mean loud. It could mean all of the sonic space is taken up. It could mean playing slowly behind the beat. It could mean playing certain note intervals (like abusing flatted 5ths). It could mean you're playing on the OD channel in your amp. It could mean you tuned down to drop a or whatever.

I take your point, but it sounds like you're saying that 'heavy' is imprecise, rather than subjective. Volume, sonic space, tempo, note intervals -- those are all 'objective' features of the music itself, in the sense that they don't reflect the attitudes of the listener. ('Subjective' itself is a very ambiguous term.)

Holy fuck Kleeer

 

Also, "sonic space" is an objective quality? What the fuck is "sonic space"?

I took 'sonic space' to refer either to the stereo space being filled from L to R, or to the range of frequencies being covered by various sounds (as it is by the noise in "Mr. Self Destruct").

 

*breaks things, cuts self*

  On 2/1/2012 at 11:20 PM, encey said:

I took 'sonic space' to refer either to the stereo space being filled from L to R, or to the range of frequencies being covered by various sounds (as it is by the noise in "Mr. Self Destruct").

 

*breaks things, cuts self*

  On 2/1/2012 at 8:29 PM, triachus said:

 

sonic space instills sonoric objects with a sense of directional directionality. one supplies the transformative constant that evolves the acousmatic sense of "composition", or as i like to refer to it, "post-twelve row algobility". suffice to say, these processes come naturally with the intrinsic acousmatic probability, which is why my works are currently dense and spatial within reasonable boundaries. basic solvability provides the framework for incomplexity in rows and space.

Everytime i listen to a Skrillex song i keep waiting for the Amen Break but never comes.

  On 2/2/2012 at 12:39 AM, iep said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 11:20 PM, encey said:

I took 'sonic space' to refer either to the stereo space being filled from L to R, or to the range of frequencies being covered by various sounds (as it is by the noise in "Mr. Self Destruct").

 

*breaks things, cuts self*

  On 2/1/2012 at 8:29 PM, triachus said:

 

sonic space instills sonoric objects with a sense of directional directionality. one supplies the transformative constant that evolves the acousmatic sense of "composition", or as i like to refer to it, "post-twelve row algobility". suffice to say, these processes come naturally with the intrinsic acousmatic probability, which is why my works are currently dense and spatial within reasonable boundaries. basic solvability provides the framework for incomplexity in rows and space.

yes but what about the nulls?

skrillex doesn't have nulls. every second of every song contains either autotune, chiptune noises, or transformers having sex.

  On 2/1/2012 at 6:09 PM, encey said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 4:49 PM, couch said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 3:04 PM, sweepstakes said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 12:35 AM, asymmetrical head said:

He just called me a bit ago and told me that he played January by Venetian Snares in a lecture and those kids said that it wasn't hard enough and boring.

 

Hmm, I think he could have demonstrated the thrill of Vsnares a lot better than "January". "Fuck Toronto Jungle", "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole", "Ultraviolent Junglist", etc. Also Aaron has some tracks that make me laugh my ass off even if I don't like the actual track that much like "Gentleman", so even if his bass drops don't suffice for them, there's plenty else he has to offer.

 

It also makes me wonder if, as someone who plays with electronic music as a hobby, or even more generally, someone who has a generally broader understanding of the possibilities of electronic music, we understand "hard hitting" or "heavy" to mean something different. When I was 19 I convinced my roommate's girlfriend to play my Loveless CD in her car by saying it was "heavier than Metallica". She and my roommate were both underwhelmed. On a cynical I would hate to think that the very things we find annoying about Skrillex are what they like about him, though I think that's likely.

adjectives about music like that are subjective anyways. I mean, what does heavy even mean in music? It could just mean loud. It could mean all of the sonic space is taken up. It could mean playing slowly behind the beat. It could mean playing certain note intervals (like abusing flatted 5ths). It could mean you're playing on the OD channel in your amp. It could mean you tuned down to drop a or whatever.

I take your point, but it sounds like you're saying that 'heavy' is imprecise, rather than subjective. Volume, sonic space, tempo, note intervals -- those are all 'objective' features of the music itself, in the sense that they don't reflect the attitudes of the listener. ('Subjective' itself is a very ambiguous term.)

Yea but like you hear people call something heavy but it could only have a few of those attributes. What made me think of saying all that is how you could describe both Metallica and MBV as being heavy but in different ways.

 

 

  On 2/1/2012 at 7:33 PM, Ascdi said:

Holy fuck Kleeer

 

Also, "sonic space" is an objective quality? What the fuck is "sonic space"?

The frequency ranges that instruments typically occupy in a band setting. Filling up the sonic space basically means there's an instrument covering every frequency range we can hear. So for a typical band you have like the kick drum is in the lowest ranges followed by the bass guitar then the regular guitar then the brass on a drum kit plus whatever else is on the kit mixed in there and wherever the vocalist sings.

 

Another example is if you go see Sunn O))) play live. They aren't covering up all the sonic space. As loud as that stuff is, you could still talk to the person next to you, sort of.

Edited February 2, 2012 by couch

  On 2/2/2012 at 4:07 AM, couch said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 7:33 PM, Ascdi said:

Holy fuck Kleeer

 

Also, "sonic space" is an objective quality? What the fuck is "sonic space"?

The frequency ranges that instruments typically occupy in a band setting. Filling up the sonic space basically means there's an instrument covering every frequency range we can hear. So for a typical band you have like the kick drum is in the lowest ranges followed by the bass guitar then the regular guitar then the brass on a drum kit plus whatever else is on the kit mixed in there and wherever the vocalist sings.

 

Another example is if you go see Sunn O))) play live. They aren't covering up all the sonic space. As loud as that stuff is, you could still talk to the person next to you, sort of.

 

Fuck, that makes a lot of sense. With those points in mind, I can probably better explain the "loudness war" to my ignorant friends and family without completely losing them.

 

So the 50+ page Skrillex thread goes from food-related photoshop pics to insightful discussions on what "loud" and "heavy" actually mean in a couple of pages.

 

watmm, all I can say is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oOuSx3_wwc

Edited February 2, 2012 by joshuatxuk

Hope it's not been posted before. Fantastic title.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxk42PWj1sE

 

Edit: Also http://girlsthatlooklikeskrillex.tumblr.com/

Edited February 2, 2012 by MortstoX

  On 2/2/2012 at 9:24 AM, MortstoX said:

Hope it's not been posted before. Fantastic title.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxk42PWj1sE

 

Edit: Also http://girlsthatlook...lex.tumblr.com/

 

I love how it's the guy that kinda looks like Braintree who's getting the action in the video

 

  On 2/2/2012 at 6:15 AM, joshuatxuk said:

  On 2/2/2012 at 4:07 AM, couch said:

  On 2/1/2012 at 7:33 PM, Ascdi said:

Holy fuck Kleeer

 

Also, "sonic space" is an objective quality? What the fuck is "sonic space"?

The frequency ranges that instruments typically occupy in a band setting. Filling up the sonic space basically means there's an instrument covering every frequency range we can hear. So for a typical band you have like the kick drum is in the lowest ranges followed by the bass guitar then the regular guitar then the brass on a drum kit plus whatever else is on the kit mixed in there and wherever the vocalist sings.

 

Another example is if you go see Sunn O))) play live. They aren't covering up all the sonic space. As loud as that stuff is, you could still talk to the person next to you, sort of.

 

Fuck, that makes a lot of sense. With those points in mind, I can probably better explain the "loudness war" to my ignorant friends and family without completely losing them.

 

So the 50+ page Skrillex thread goes from food-related photoshop pics to insightful discussions on what "loud" and "heavy" actually mean in a couple of pages.

 

watmm, all I can say is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oOuSx3_wwc

Loudness war seems like a totally different animal and I'm not very knowledgeable about it, but I guess there's some overlap. A band can occupy lots of sonic space but still be recorded in a way that preserves the dynamics between the highest and lowest peaks without being compressed too much.

 

I find it pointless to explain loudness war/compression to people that don't notice the clipping on brickwalled albums with their ears already. Loads of my friends fucking love Mastodon albums, especially Blood Mountain. But I find it terrible to listen to because it's so brickwalled. Despite that many of the songs are really cool. Their ears don't notice it so they look at me like I'm going on about some Illuminati craziness if I try to explain it.

Edited February 2, 2012 by couch

http://soundcloud.com/monolake/mastering-a-step-by-step-guide

  On 2/1/2012 at 11:11 AM, xxx said:

All is not lost though. Nobody has brought it up but we have a wealth of forward-thinking youth here on WATMM that do not fall into these herd mentalities when it comes to electronic music. It's more fun to get caught up in "whippersnapper v. codger" in-fighting but, in all seriousness, I think it's actually rad to have such a young Padawan contingent where the Force is strong.

did this thread get unpinned?

 

because its still been at the top every time I come into the music discussion forum.

oh you...

  On 2/3/2012 at 1:23 AM, Jonas said:

it won't drop

 

the bass