Parenting 102

Restraint's a skill you naturally pick up when you commute in London. Otherwise I'd just push people down the escalators every morning.

one thing getting pissed off with people standing on the wrong side of the escalator and another having to listen to that woman's shite... i assume this sort of thing is not a daily occurrence even in london.

Nah, the Jubilee Line which I take to work is generally alright - I've never seen anything like this in my 5 years in the city, anyway. I'd imagine things are different in Croydon because that's where the riff-raff live.

Last trouble I saw was a family of pissed Glaswegians with little kids. The father was breathing whisky on strangers and asking them "Do you believe in GOD? Are you SAVED?" but he wasn't being aggressive about it - he clearly just thought he was funny. The kids were grubby and swinging on the railings, but they seemed pretty embarrassed by their father's antics and were trying to get him to shut up.

Tourists, eh?

  On 11/29/2011 at 1:31 PM, Iain C said:

Nah, the Jubilee Line which I take to work is generally alright - I've never seen anything like this in my 5 years in the city, anyway. I'd imagine things are different in Croydon

mornington crescent!

  On 11/29/2011 at 1:31 PM, Iain C said:

Tourists, eh?

immigrants?

Edit: wrong thread

  On 11/29/2011 at 1:46 PM, keltoi said:

  On 11/29/2011 at 1:31 PM, Iain C said:

Tourists, eh?

 

immigrants?

Tourists on the tube are fundamentally different from immigrants in my experience. Most people that come to live in London - from wherever - pretty quickly learn the ropes when it comes to navigating public transport. They're polite, they queue, they don't talk to people or make eye contact. The only thing I've noticed is that Eastern European chaps will often drink a can of beer - but frankly I reckon you should still be allowed to do that anyway, and it doesn't bother me.

It's the tourists who are the real problem, no matter where they're from - Glasgow, Gloucester or Goa. They don't have any stake in the city and remain completely ignorant of the complex, beautiful ballet of social cohesion that makes up London public transport.

Here's an interesting comment piece from the granola-chewin' Grauniad: http://www.guardian....erience-croydon

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I hate to write an article defending such a woman but I think calling for her to be arrested and then prosecuted is over the top. I don't think such behaviour is acceptable or have a problem with condemning it. My issue is that calling for the law to get involved is about the worst way to deal with such incidents. And there are several reasons for this.

First, the law has little impact. The Race Relations Act made it illegal for organisations to discriminate but you can count the number of successful prosecutions on your fingers. It works much better in tightly defined instances of outright discrimination rather than hate speech.

What actually changed attitudes against racism was a shift in popular culture pushed by brave people. The people who joined together in solidarity against skinheads (at Cable Street in the 30s and Southall in the 80s) changed attitudes. Rock Against Racism shifted popular attitudes. Love Music Hate Racism changed attitudes. The Anti-Nazi League did. But trying to push for better social attitudes through the law is a futile task. Popular condemnation and viral piss-takes work far better instead.

Second, you may argue she can already be prosecuted under the Public Order Act or a "breach of the peace" but the law is currently an overbearing ass. It allows the police to make an arrest if someone feels "insulted". The same laws allow them to detain political activists and make arbitrary arrests.

In short, the very law that some people are cheering here can easily be used against them. Do you really want to give police the willingness to arrest people simply for having an argument?

  On 11/29/2011 at 2:06 PM, Iain C said:

Here's an interesting comment piece from the granola-chewin' Grauniad: http://www.guardian....erience-croydon

 

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I hate to write an article defending such a woman but I think calling for her to be arrested and then prosecuted is over the top. I don't think such behaviour is acceptable or have a problem with condemning it. My issue is that calling for the law to get involved is about the worst way to deal with such incidents. And there are several reasons for this.

 

 

First, the law has little impact. The Race Relations Act made it illegal for organisations to discriminate but you can count the number of successful prosecutions on your fingers. It works much better in tightly defined instances of outright discrimination rather than hate speech.

 

 

 

What actually changed attitudes against racism was a shift in popular culture pushed by brave people. The people who joined together in solidarity against skinheads (at Cable Street in the 30s and Southall in the 80s) changed attitudes. Rock Against Racism shifted popular attitudes. Love Music Hate Racism changed attitudes. The Anti-Nazi League did. But trying to push for better social attitudes through the law is a futile task. Popular condemnation and viral piss-takes work far better instead.

 

 

 

Second, you may argue she can already be prosecuted under the Public Order Act or a "breach of the peace" but the law is currently an overbearing ass. It allows the police to make an arrest if someone feels "insulted". The same laws allow them to detain political activists and make arbitrary arrests.

 

 

 

In short, the very law that some people are cheering here can easily be used against them. Do you really want to give police the willingness to arrest people simply for having an argument?

some of what he says makes sense but it's naive and deluded to suggest that...

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this woman is a product of the opinions of the rightwing press.

  On 11/29/2011 at 12:00 AM, Oscar said:

I'd still stick my dick in her.

 

  On 11/28/2011 at 10:34 PM, KY said:

  On 11/28/2011 at 10:08 PM, ryanmcallister said:

For a minute there I thought Victor Wooten behind her was gonna give that bitch a donkey punch.

 

 

fucking lol

oh man serious lol there.

so what was her problem though? just that there were non-white people on her train? she should come to nyc for a day and try that on the train. they would probably find her in one of the tunnels somewhere. i feel bad for that little boy, he probably spouts that stuff at school without knowing what he is saying.

Poor kid who has to live with a cunt of a mother.

somebody make this cunt watch Crash a few times. problem solved.

that was hilarious.

What a cunt. She's not even English. Judging by the features there's either Irish or gypsy, or god forbid, huguenot French in there, like most of the foreign cockney scum who make up the EDL. Unless you have a surname that predates the Viking capture of York in 867 you're not English, and this is not your country. I would've zyklon b'd the whole tram just to make sure.

My name is so goddamn English you'll have the faint taste of fish and chips when you pronounce it.

i am surprised that she got arrested before she got killed

  On 11/29/2011 at 9:19 PM, Braintree said:

My name is so goddamn English you'll have the faint taste of fish and chips when you pronounce it.

Fish and chips is foreign muck, portuguese in origin. Unless your name invokes the aroma of a Ginsters slice at 3 in the morning I won't even shake your hand. I want my country back. I'm looking at you Kriss Akabusi.

  On 11/29/2011 at 9:43 PM, kakapo said:

  On 11/29/2011 at 9:19 PM, Braintree said:

My name is so goddamn English you'll have the faint taste of fish and chips when you pronounce it.

 

Fish and chips is foreign muck, portuguese in origin. Unless your name invokes the aroma of a Ginsters slice at 3 in the morning I won't even shake your hand. I want my country back. I'm looking at you Kriss Akabusi.

Alright. How about a heavy taste of William Shakespeare's dried, decomposed semen?

Her kid saved her life without having to do anything at all except put up with her uppity cunt hatespew.

  On 11/29/2011 at 10:07 PM, Braintree said:

 

Alright. How about a heavy taste of William Shakespeare's dried, decomposed semen?

William is a french name. English literature began with the Venerable Bede in the NE, not with that flouncing twink.

To put this into a little bit more context, the argument is the UK has experienced relatively unprecedented mass immigration over the past decade or so. The main political parties have tended to skirt around the issue of mass immigration, in part because it is so inflammatory, but also because their principles contradict their interests. The argument against goes something like:

There is no net economic benefit to the mass immigration of relatively unskilled workers.

- The (relative) poor get poorer due to increased competition lowering wages, and increased housing costs

- As a result the rich (employers and the rentier class) get richer, and income inequality increases dramatically.

The Labour party wanted mass immigration as it was seen as a way of boosting GDP (allowing the UK to punch above its weight and get involved in illegal wars) and going some way to solve the ageing population/pensions crisis which was being exacerbated by the baby boomer bubble reaching retirement age. Essentially running the state pension and welfare state as a pyramid scheme that relied on ever increasing immigration rather than increasing taxes.

This has been bubbling up for years, but combine it with economic crisis, wages declining in real terms and the housing crisis, particularly in London, and I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Having said that since moving to London 5 years ago, I've seen no overt white on black racism, although several examples of the reverse. (Don't start with the minorities can't be racist bollocks, you know what I mean in this context)

  On 11/28/2011 at 10:34 PM, disparaissant said:

 

what's the big deal she seems like your average daily mail reader

Actually the Daily Mail is the paper of the right wing provincial middle class. She is more likely to be a Sun reader. The irony is that the average Daily Mail reader has largely benefited from mass immigration through rising house prices and lower wages for unskilled workers. The irony for the left is that neoliberalism (boooo) loves mass immigration, and that the working class have been completely shafted by both.

  On 11/28/2011 at 9:48 PM, Squee said:

  On 11/28/2011 at 9:46 PM, uptown devil said:

yeah, but wouldn't it be fun to punch her in the face?

 

I would never hit a woman. I would punch her child right in the face.

agree with that. I'd ask the lady to step aside and then snap his neck.

Yeah, I guess William Shakespeare wasn't English...

  On 11/29/2011 at 11:26 PM, Rambo said:

  On 11/28/2011 at 9:48 PM, Squee said:

  On 11/28/2011 at 9:46 PM, uptown devil said:

yeah, but wouldn't it be fun to punch her in the face?

 

I would never hit a woman. I would punch her child right in the face.

agree with that. I'd ask the lady to step aside and then snap his neck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_y_tQMtnYo&feature=related

Yer all black in the beginning.

im a summon the spirit of Bill Hicks and say we should all be Equal Opportunity Haters.

Can't wait until /b/ gets a hold of her information