Justin Bieber to Release Dubstep Album

Well this sucks. Virtually nobody knows about dubstep here in Spain, nobody knows who's Skrillex. But when this comes out... I better prepare myself for the shitstorm

honestly, it pisses me off when people here moan about how hipsters now will listen to AFX.

motherfucker you dont associate with them, right? wtf is the problem?

"I hate pop music and hipsters stealing our music from us.....which is why Im constantly looking around for examples and justifications that i listened to artist X before this goofball."

  On 12/6/2011 at 9:09 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

"I hate pop music and hipsters stealing our music from us.....which is why Im constantly looking around for examples and justifications that i listened to artist X before this goofball."

Which, ironically, is exactly what hipsters say.

fuck it, i hope Skrillex and Justin Bieber become electronic legends just to spite everyone here.

Everybody listen to Slayer!

No fucking hipsters listen to them. You will be safe.

I only listen to B'witched and Cleopatra's Greatest Hits.

  On 12/6/2011 at 9:09 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

honestly, it pisses me off when people here moan about how hipsters now will listen to AFX.

do people moan about that anymore? it's been over 14 years since that has been the case

in this very thread.

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person X moaning about group Y enjoying artist N when X loved N previously = hipster

it's telling that "group Y" is usually defined as "hipster" by person X

  On 12/6/2011 at 9:56 PM, baph said:

person X moaning about group Y enjoying artist N when X loved N previously = hipster

 

it's telling that "group Y" is usually defined as "hipster" by person X

well i dunno about that, but I'll tell you this. Back in my day, guys never wore pants (trousers) so tight.

it's wrong, and i don't like it.

*shakes cane. wolfs out. wakes up on front lawn.*

  On 12/6/2011 at 8:16 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 7:35 PM, chenGOD said:

Wow how is it possible that scorn has gone unnoticed by so many?

 

In time though just like musicians like Coil and Throbbing Gristle, we'll see every hipster and their mom raving about how Scorn was the most important bass musician of late 20th century.

 

why is this a problem?

Because it's all about how those people came to arrive at that state. They arrived there not of their own volition, or through some innate curiosity to expand their musical sensibilities, rather they were pulled there through a machine of hype. They have little understanding of why these musicians are important. They devalue the cultural value of music that was made not for profit but for expression, and rank the pale imitation as being the music which has the highest worth. Very often they will have never heard the music that has come before, yet feel free to denigrate it regardless

The worst part is when Skrillex (as an example) portrays himself as someone who is pushing boundaries, and creating new forms of culture, when in all truth he is simply appropriating from the work that has gone before, marketing some bits, paying no heed to the giants upon whose shoulders he stands. It is this falsity and superficiality which erodes our culture. This is what affects everyone.

It does not affect my enjoyment of the music one iota. That is not the issue.

FUCKEN LOL JULES!

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:05 PM, chenGOD said:

Because it's all about how those people came to arrive at that state. They arrived there not of their own volition, or through some innate curiosity to expand their musical sensibilities, rather they were pulled there through a machine of hype. They have little understanding of why these musicians are important. They devalue the cultural value of music that was made not for profit but for expression, and rank the pale imitation as being the music which has the highest worth. Very often they will have never heard the music that has come before, yet feel free to denigrate it regardless

The worst part is when Skrillex (as an example) portrays himself as someone who is pushing boundaries, and creating new forms of culture, when in all truth he is simply appropriating from the work that has gone before, marketing some bits, paying no heed to the giants upon whose shoulders he stands. It is this falsity and superficiality which erodes our culture. This is what affects everyone.

 

 

It does not affect my enjoyment of the music one iota. That is not the issue.

lol cmon chen, this is elitist nonsense. who is the arbiter of the validity of ones "path to enlightenment"?

someone listens to skrillex, loves the sound because hes never heard anything like it before (even though it happens to be horribly average within our musical circle, but thats beyond the point). Because of his interest in dubstep, he eventually comes upon Noisia and Hecq's new releases, which he ends up loving just as much if not more. He then goes from Noisia and Hecq to other lesser known artyists, including earlier dubstep/grime artists, like Mala, and so forth.

this makes his interest in these bands less valid because of the starting point?

I got into music through the Beatles and the Temptations....bunch of pop culture garbage...therefore all of my explorations are discredited?

what is the limit? does someone have to write a book on the birth of dubstep subcultures from the early 2000's to have their musical sensibilities respected? if this is the case, Im glad ive moved away from IDM-worship.

I got into electronic music from White Zombie, the Smashing Pumpkins, and the Chemical Brothers' Block Rockin' Beats. Therefore Im to be the unwashed and unworthy? This argument is nonsense.

  On 12/6/2011 at 10:45 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 8:16 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 7:35 PM, chenGOD said:

Wow how is it possible that scorn has gone unnoticed by so many?

 

In time though just like musicians like Coil and Throbbing Gristle, we'll see every hipster and their mom raving about how Scorn was the most important bass musician of late 20th century.

 

 

why is this a problem?

i don't really think it's a problem it's just a fact. It makes me laugh out loud to see dubstep producers who i am 'friends' with on facebook mention only upon Sleazy's death just how much they are falling over themselves in Coil fandom.

Kind of like pre 1998 how my Mom and Dad were willing to admit complete ignorance on how to use computers, now since it's become almost universally embarrassing to admit you don't know how to use them, my Mom and Dad pretend to know how to use them and show far less humility while doing it.

and i absolutely will bet money that my prediction about Scorn will come true, probably before a post mortum deification

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:39 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:05 PM, chenGOD said:

Because it's all about how those people came to arrive at that state. They arrived there not of their own volition, or through some innate curiosity to expand their musical sensibilities, rather they were pulled there through a machine of hype. They have little understanding of why these musicians are important. They devalue the cultural value of music that was made not for profit but for expression, and rank the pale imitation as being the music which has the highest worth. Very often they will have never heard the music that has come before, yet feel free to denigrate it regardless

The worst part is when Skrillex (as an example) portrays himself as someone who is pushing boundaries, and creating new forms of culture, when in all truth he is simply appropriating from the work that has gone before, marketing some bits, paying no heed to the giants upon whose shoulders he stands. It is this falsity and superficiality which erodes our culture. This is what affects everyone.

 

 

It does not affect my enjoyment of the music one iota. That is not the issue.

 

lol cmon chen, this is elitist nonsense. who is the arbiter of the validity of ones "path to enlightenment"?

 

 

someone listens to skrillex, loves the sound because hes never heard anything like it before (even though it happens to be horribly average within our musical circle, but thats beyond the point). Because of his interest in dubstep, he eventually comes upon Noisia and Hecq's new releases, which he ends up loving just as much if not more. He then goes from Noisia and Hecq to other lesser known artyists, including earlier dubstep/grime artists, like Mala, and so forth.

 

this makes his interest in these bands less valid because of the starting point?

 

I got into music through the Beatles and the Temptations....bunch of pop culture garbage...therefore all of my explorations are discredited?

 

what is the limit? does someone have to write a book on the birth of dubstep subcultures from the early 2000's to have their musical sensibilities respected? if this is the case, Im glad ive moved away from IDM-worship.

 

I got into electronic music from White Zombie, the Smashing Pumpkins, and the Chemical Brothers' Block Rockin' Beats. Therefore Im to be the unwashed and unworthy? This argument is nonsense.

If what you were saying is true, we would have an exciting culture full of interesting, new works.

Instead we have derivative, stale bullshit.

You got into music through pop music that at the time of its making was groundbreaking. You then progressed to find other forms of music.

The type of people Awepittance is talking about see a mention of artists like Scorn by people like Skrillex and then proclaim it to be worthy, otherwise they wouldn't have given it the time of day. The person who progresses to find Nosia and Hecq is the rare breed.

*puts Scorn back on mp3 player* *walks around the night feeling like a badass*

  On 12/7/2011 at 1:05 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:39 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:05 PM, chenGOD said:

Because it's all about how those people came to arrive at that state. They arrived there not of their own volition, or through some innate curiosity to expand their musical sensibilities, rather they were pulled there through a machine of hype. They have little understanding of why these musicians are important. They devalue the cultural value of music that was made not for profit but for expression, and rank the pale imitation as being the music which has the highest worth. Very often they will have never heard the music that has come before, yet feel free to denigrate it regardless

The worst part is when Skrillex (as an example) portrays himself as someone who is pushing boundaries, and creating new forms of culture, when in all truth he is simply appropriating from the work that has gone before, marketing some bits, paying no heed to the giants upon whose shoulders he stands. It is this falsity and superficiality which erodes our culture. This is what affects everyone.

 

 

It does not affect my enjoyment of the music one iota. That is not the issue.

 

lol cmon chen, this is elitist nonsense. who is the arbiter of the validity of ones "path to enlightenment"?

 

 

someone listens to skrillex, loves the sound because hes never heard anything like it before (even though it happens to be horribly average within our musical circle, but thats beyond the point). Because of his interest in dubstep, he eventually comes upon Noisia and Hecq's new releases, which he ends up loving just as much if not more. He then goes from Noisia and Hecq to other lesser known artyists, including earlier dubstep/grime artists, like Mala, and so forth.

 

this makes his interest in these bands less valid because of the starting point?

 

I got into music through the Beatles and the Temptations....bunch of pop culture garbage...therefore all of my explorations are discredited?

 

what is the limit? does someone have to write a book on the birth of dubstep subcultures from the early 2000's to have their musical sensibilities respected? if this is the case, Im glad ive moved away from IDM-worship.

 

I got into electronic music from White Zombie, the Smashing Pumpkins, and the Chemical Brothers' Block Rockin' Beats. Therefore Im to be the unwashed and unworthy? This argument is nonsense.

 

If what you were saying is true, we would have an exciting culture full of interesting, new works.

Instead we have derivative, stale bullshit.

 

You got into music through pop music that at the time of its making was groundbreaking. You then progressed to find other forms of music.

The type of people Awepittance is talking about see a mention of artists like Scorn by people like Skrillex and then proclaim it to be worthy, otherwise they wouldn't have given it the time of day. The person who progresses to find Nosia and Hecq is the rare breed.

but how many people here checked out a new artist because AFX or someone in similar standing name-dropped them as a good act?

I would say this, give it a few more years. Skrillex is relatively new, and Im wagering that the younger people that jam out to him might move on to new unexplored territory. Of course there are trainspotters, but that happens with EVERY form of popular music, not just Skrillex.

I think Skrillex hits home to a lot of people on here because, as someone mentioned earlier or in another thread, he is the mainstreams contortion of the themes we "IDMers" have grown to love.

I can't think of many acts that I checked out because RDJ name-dropped them. Then again, I don't read many of his interviews.

It's not that he is the mainstream contortion of themes we "IDMers" :vomit: have grown to love - it's that he takes himself so seriously. The attitude which he seems to portray of "I am original and I make all this banging music myself" when in reality he can barely twist an eq knob on a mixer.

In the hilarious gif, it looks like he's actually tweaking a headphone pot.

  On 12/7/2011 at 1:30 AM, chenGOD said:

I can't think of many acts that I checked out because RDJ name-dropped them. Then again, I don't read many of his interviews.

I checked out Juan Atkins and Larry Heard cos of RDJ

I was thinking Steve HIllage, but then I remembered I checked him out cause of The Orb.

the funny thing is, bieber would probably fit pretty well on an old school garagey dubstep track, but when his album comes out the dubstep bits will probably be nothing but spastic brostep freakouts.

p.s. if you like that scorn track and haven't heard vex'd's first album, then get on the trolley, buster!

...but not everybody will go from Skrillex to Flux Pavillion to Engine Earz to Pinch and then further back into the roots....

...95% will listen to Skrillex and then Chase & Status, Biebers new album and Nero and think thats where the genre ends.

I dont even know why im bothering to join in on this argument, its the same for (nearly) every musical genre ever (especially electronic music imo) that gains some sort of mass popularity.

Rave - Prodigy, Altern-8, Slipmat... all started off underground, gained some overground recognition then saw their sounds bastardized by everyone else who wanted in on the act.

Drum & Bass - Goldie,Adam F, Roni Size... a fair few underground hits between them. Followed up with Pendulol, DJ Fresh and cant think of who else in recent years.

Euro Trance - already been covered in various trance threads on this forum, but early works by Gouryella (Ferry Corsten and Armin as well as their solo stuff), Art of Trance, Airwave etc... were rather good (imo).

Underground to overground following exposure and reaching a bigger audience.

Isn't that what most artists strive for at the end of the day? Getting their music heard by as many people as possible, and ultimately earning some money?

I know not every artist operates this way, and certainly some prefer to keep themselves low key especially in the watmm circles *cough* BOC *cough* but it does seem to apply to most people...

  On 12/6/2011 at 11:05 PM, chenGOD said:

Because it's all about how those people came to arrive at that state. They arrived there not of their own volition, or through some innate curiosity to expand their musical sensibilities, rather they were pulled there through a machine of hype.

That part of your post is just epic "Not of their own volition."

So if my 12 year old cousin who listen to Skrillex, moves on to the artists Skrillex is namedropping, that's wrong? If he in a few years is a fan of Aphex Twin because of Skrillex, he came to "arrive at that state" in a wrong way? WTF is the right way? Posting at Watmm?