SOPA - Stop Online Piracy Act

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:09 PM, baph said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

 

Oh god, I'm sure you get cross-lobby support with a ton of this stuff, with the potential for shoving totally unrelated pork into various bills. A little give and take, here and there. Big Pharma might want its back scratched in the near future.

I'd take a wild guess and say that Pfizer get a lot of marketing cache out of cross promoting their product in every generic american comedy since 2002.

the most recent one i can thin of was that awful Meet the Fockers movie. Sometimes they don't use the name Viagra, but when they do i guarantee there is a lot of money being traded hands

the same can be said for companies like Oakley or Marmot. Why in the fuck would they support SOPA? They probably depend on the extreme marketing cache they get from shitty shows like CSI miami where it basically seems like an oakley sunglasses advertisement in the form of a show. I bet marmot has a very cozy relationship with any kind of 'outdoors' show on the history channel, anytime you see somebody camping in a movie they are probably using some kind of marmot or northface gear and again, it's an advertisement that they pay for.

That, or they expect lots of people will get depressed when the internet stops providing them with happiness. They need to sell more medicines. Especially now that the viagra patents will soon expire.

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

(a temporary) victory !

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/technology/senate-postpones-piracy-vote.html?_r=1

downloads films lets me watch a lot of shit movies for free that I wouldn't go near otherwise

if they are good and come out in a nice box set I'll snatch them in a sale or buy used anyway

having the power to shut the internet down is controlling the last avenue of true free speech and liberating power man has left

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/14472117492/mpaa-directly-publicly-threatens-politicians-who-arent-corrupt-enough-to-stay-bought.shtml

Chris Dodd of the MPAA on the recent failing of SOPA/PIPA:

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"Those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake,"

So at this point Chris Dodd is pretty much openly going "WE HAVE A GOOD THING GOING HERE YOU GUYS! ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO LET THOSE PLEBIAN ARSEHOLES BOSS YOU AROUND?"

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:58 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:09 PM, baph said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

 

Oh god, I'm sure you get cross-lobby support with a ton of this stuff, with the potential for shoving totally unrelated pork into various bills. A little give and take, here and there. Big Pharma might want its back scratched in the near future.

 

 

I'd take a wild guess and say that Pfizer get a lot of marketing cache out of cross promoting their product in every generic american comedy since 2002.

the most recent one i can thin of was that awful Meet the Fockers movie. Sometimes they don't use the name Viagra, but when they do i guarantee there is a lot of money being traded hands

 

the same can be said for companies like Oakley or Marmot. Why in the fuck would they support SOPA? They probably depend on the extreme marketing cache they get from shitty shows like CSI miami where it basically seems like an oakley sunglasses advertisement in the form of a show. I bet marmot has a very cozy relationship with any kind of 'outdoors' show on the history channel, anytime you see somebody camping in a movie they are probably using some kind of marmot or northface gear and again, it's an advertisement that they pay for.

I don't know if that argument about product placement makes sense. As companies that may be getting their products placed in the aforementioned programs, why would they get up in arms about these shows being distributed illegaly? Whatever should happen to the show (aside from being discontinued) there are still viewers (and arguably more viewers, in the case of illegal distribution) who will be watching the show and being exposed to their products. I don't have any idea what the figures for viewership are, but I would guess that the combination of, let's say, legitimate viewers plus illegal viewers would be more than in the event that there were no illegal viewings.

i think its even more simple than Awepittance's explanation. Crony capitalism is called crony capitalism for a reason. If one industry is threatened, that's bad for all business at the top. It's about setting the tone and control of the market; keep those at the top at the top...new faces in the industry means possible competition or has the potential to be incredibly risky.

who is in the room with the switch to turn it all off? seems everyone is frustrated cause we feel we are outside of all the rooms with the controls

check for kids messing with the wires under the hoods

  On 1/21/2012 at 9:22 PM, marf said:

who is in the room with the switch to turn it all off? seems everyone is frustrated cause we feel we are outside of all the rooms with the controls

a clone of the dude that gropes your balls when you're at an airport.

it's all fascism, just a different flavor.

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

  On 1/20/2012 at 11:03 PM, Ego said:

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

No further explanation needed.

yah, not to mention pharma industry is all about profiting from intellectual property.

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:17 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

  On 1/20/2012 at 11:03 PM, Ego said:

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

 

No further explanation needed.

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:46 PM, GORDO said:

yah, not to mention pharma industry is all about profiting from intellectual property.

Nah. Before their patents expire, counterfeit or generics can't be sold legally. And during the years the patents are up so to speak (10, 15 or 20 years...), they market mostly in the professional business (doctors and specialists which are suppose to prescribe these new wonderful medicines they've developed). They're pretty safe because most of the money is being made in the prescribed market. There's not much money in the non-prescribed medicine market. (well, unless the antidepressants could be sold without prescription)

After patents expire and generic manufacturers are allowed to sell their 'counterfeits' prices often drop 90%. Because, well, most medicines can be made pretty darn cheap. And although it costs quite a lot to develop a new medicine, most costs go to what they call marketing costs (estimates are that 16% of costs of medicines under patent cover R&D and 25% or more cover marketing costs). And marketing are not the adds or commercials you see on a daily basis. No, it's all about "maintaining relations" with the prescribers.

So Pfizer and SOPA -> why?

Who knows... they might be looking for ways to keep the people from knowing their drugs might just not be that good as they claim them to be. Or they want to kill of Scientology. Or they have investments in the entertainment industries. Perhaps it's just an old boys network thing. They did get some useful legislation under Bush, so this might be some form of pay-back. Could be anything really.

--small ones grow thru "piracy"--free music, perhaps? utopianism?

gotsta make a living?

  On 1/21/2012 at 11:17 PM, goDel said:

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:17 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

  On 1/20/2012 at 11:03 PM, Ego said:

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

 

No further explanation needed.

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:46 PM, GORDO said:

yah, not to mention pharma industry is all about profiting from intellectual property.

 

Nah. Before their patents expire, counterfeit or generics can't be sold legally. And during the years the patents are up so to speak (10, 15 or 20 years...), they market mostly in the professional business (doctors and specialists which are suppose to prescribe these new wonderful medicines they've developed). They're pretty safe because most of the money is being made in the prescribed market. There's not much money in the non-prescribed medicine market. (well, unless the antidepressants could be sold without prescription)

 

After patents expire and generic manufacturers are allowed to sell their 'counterfeits' prices often drop 90%. Because, well, most medicines can be made pretty darn cheap. And although it costs quite a lot to develop a new medicine, most costs go to what they call marketing costs (estimates are that 16% of costs of medicines under patent cover R&D and 25% or more cover marketing costs). And marketing are not the adds or commercials you see on a daily basis. No, it's all about "maintaining relations" with the prescribers.

 

So Pfizer and SOPA -> why?

 

Who knows... they might be looking for ways to keep the people from knowing their drugs might just not be that good as they claim them to be. Or they want to kill of Scientology. Or they have investments in the entertainment industries. Perhaps it's just an old boys network thing. They did get some useful legislation under Bush, so this might be some form of pay-back. Could be anything really.

if you order viagara or some knockoff off of an illegitimate website, pfizer doesn't get the money. lots of people order drugs online (spending lots of money) without seeing a doc if they have an ongoing medication or don't have health insurance. that's obviously part of the bigger problem but for now pfizer just wants to control distribution of their own product.

  On 1/21/2012 at 11:17 PM, goDel said:

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:17 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

  On 1/20/2012 at 11:03 PM, Ego said:

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

 

No further explanation needed.

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:46 PM, GORDO said:

yah, not to mention pharma industry is all about profiting from intellectual property.

 

Nah. Before their patents expire, counterfeit or generics can't be sold legally.

Which is why they would be for SOPA - shut down sites that aren't abiding by "intellectual property" laws. (afaik counterfeits can never be sold legally - generics are not the same as counterfeits).

  On 1/21/2012 at 11:17 PM, goDel said:

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:17 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 1/20/2012 at 10:03 PM, chassis said:

Why the fuck does Pfizer support SOPA?

  On 1/20/2012 at 11:03 PM, Ego said:

Those companies want to block websites that sell counterfeit products.

 

No further explanation needed.

  On 1/21/2012 at 10:46 PM, GORDO said:

yah, not to mention pharma industry is all about profiting from intellectual property.

 

Nah. Before their patents expire, counterfeit or generics can't be sold legally. And during the years the patents are up so to speak (10, 15 or 20 years...), they market mostly in the professional business (doctors and specialists which are suppose to prescribe these new wonderful medicines they've developed). They're pretty safe because most of the money is being made in the prescribed market. There's not much money in the non-prescribed medicine market. (well, unless the antidepressants could be sold without prescription)

 

After patents expire and generic manufacturers are allowed to sell their 'counterfeits' prices often drop 90%. Because, well, most medicines can be made pretty darn cheap. And although it costs quite a lot to develop a new medicine, most costs go to what they call marketing costs (estimates are that 16% of costs of medicines under patent cover R&D and 25% or more cover marketing costs). And marketing are not the adds or commercials you see on a daily basis. No, it's all about "maintaining relations" with the prescribers.

 

So Pfizer and SOPA -> why?

 

Who knows... they might be looking for ways to keep the people from knowing their drugs might just not be that good as they claim them to be. Or they want to kill of Scientology. Or they have investments in the entertainment industries. Perhaps it's just an old boys network thing. They did get some useful legislation under Bush, so this might be some form of pay-back. Could be anything really.

you say you disagree then you explain why our points are valid, i'm confused.

This was an interesting point brought up from another friend (a lawyer):

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SOPA probably won't pass. I don't believe it was ever really INTENDED to pass - or, at least, Lamar Smith (it's author) doesn't care if it does or not. SOPA exists to get people all riled up, blacking out their webpages for a day, changing their Facebook pictures to make a difference or whatever, so that, when it fails, we can move onto the next issue. Coming up next is a bill to combat child porn online (HR1981). Watch: the bulk of SOPA is gonna get tacked onto the end of HR1981, and nobody is going to have the balls to stand up to a bill that is AGAINST child pornography. Why do I think this? Lamar Smith is the author of HR1981.

 

SOPA dropped!!

Just hours after Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) announced he was delaying a vote on the PROTECT IP Act, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), the sponsor of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed suit and announced he would be delaying consideration of the companion legislation.

“I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy," Smith said. "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."

"The Committee will continue work with both copyright owners and Internet companies to develop proposals that combat online piracy and protect America’s intellectual property," Smith continued. "We welcome input from all organizations and individuals who have an honest difference of opinion about how best to address this widespread problem." (He may want to check out our thoughts on the matter.)

Even former Senator Chris Dodd, the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, seemed to concede defeat. "With today’s announcement, we hope the dynamics of the conversation can change and become a sincere discussion about how best to protect the millions of American jobs affected by the theft of American intellectual property," he said in a statement. "It is incumbent that they now sincerely work with all of us to achieve a meaningful solution to this critically important goal."

The ideas present in both SOPA and PIPA may return, but both bills in their present form—and with their present names—are probably done for good.

A key figure in the fight against SOPA was Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Issa had planned to use his perch as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to highlight the flaws of SOPA's DNS blocking provisions. He was planning to hold a hearing featuring the testimony of actual technical experts, something that had been mysteriously missing from Smith's hearings on the bill. Wednesday's Internet protests were originally scheduled to coincide with the hearings. But Issa scrapped his hearing after receiving assurances that the DNS provisions would be dropped from SOPA. The broader protest went forward anyway.

"Supporters of the Internet deserve credit for pressing advocates of SOPA and PIPA to back away from an effort to ram through controversial legislation," Issa said in a Friday statement. "Over the last two months, the intense popular effort to stop SOPA and PIPA has defeated an effort that once looked unstoppable."

"Postponing the Senate vote on PIPA removes the imminent threat to the Internet, but it's not over yet," Issa continued. "Copyright infringement remains a serious problem and any solution must be targeted, effective, and consistent with how the Internet works."

  On 1/22/2012 at 3:32 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

This was an interesting point brought up from another friend (a lawyer):

 

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SOPA probably won't pass. I don't believe it was ever really INTENDED to pass - or, at least, Lamar Smith (it's author) doesn't care if it does or not. SOPA exists to get people all riled up, blacking out their webpages for a day, changing their Facebook pictures to make a difference or whatever, so that, when it fails, we can move onto the next issue. Coming up next is a bill to combat child porn online (HR1981). Watch: the bulk of SOPA is gonna get tacked onto the end of HR1981, and nobody is going to have the balls to stand up to a bill that is AGAINST child pornography. Why do I think this? Lamar Smith is the author of HR1981.

 

Makes sense to me.

here's a video from Khan Academy explaining problems with SOPA and PIPA in a straightforward manner.

Smetty - while I'm sure some interesting amendments are going to be takced on to HR1981, I'm curious how they're going to equate protection of "intellectual property" with "protecting the children".

Anyways - maybe you could ask your lawyer friend to bring this to people's attention before the bill gets voted on?