Google's new "terms of service" and "privacy policy"

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:03 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 12:59 AM, goDel said:

By this time googol has so much information, the amount itself actually makes your information safer. The odds of someone actually looking at your private info is close to zero. And these analytical algorithms, I don't see much trouble in those. As long as you can opt out, you're fine, I guess. But you can opt out, can't you? But admittedly, my actual online footprint is negligible. So no worries.

 

BS, thats the resignation we're talking about... The odds of someone actually looking at my private info are completely random, if they have it, they can look at it, and also give it up to other entities.

??

There are no interest in providing information of individuals whatsoever. The information companies can buy is either aggregated/statistical, or anonymized. The point of analytics is not to analyze individuals, but to generalize on a given dataset.

Disregarding the government, btw. The government is different. They actually ARE out to get you. Or more specific, awe pittance. But that's another story.

paranoid ppl are paranoid, google already has the info, but now they will use it across services. so it's not much of a change concerning privacy.

also i agree with goDel that the vast ammounts of data they have makes it more like noise and hardly an individual threat. algorithm like these are what make the internet useful anyway, although it does feel creepy sometimes to suddenly see an ad for something you were just searching about and stuff.

my main concern is that it doesn't bias what you see too much, for example atm all youtube suggest me to see is atheist videos and i always fall for at least one of them so i'm probably making it show me even more, I wouldn't want this to appear on my searches ALL the time and stuff.

Yo, I'm currently using "Startpage Search Engine" and it appears to be pretty good. It uses google's metadata or something rather, AND it's private. A tad slower though.

scoff and rant at Google all you like, but they will be the first to sound the alarm when the email hive-mind AI becomes self-aware...

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:09 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:03 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 12:59 AM, goDel said:

By this time googol has so much information, the amount itself actually makes your information safer. The odds of someone actually looking at your private info is close to zero. And these analytical algorithms, I don't see much trouble in those. As long as you can opt out, you're fine, I guess. But you can opt out, can't you? But admittedly, my actual online footprint is negligible. So no worries.

 

BS, thats the resignation we're talking about... The odds of someone actually looking at my private info are completely random, if they have it, they can look at it, and also give it up to other entities.

??

There are no interest in providing information of individuals whatsoever. The information companies can buy is either aggregated/statistical, or anonymized. The point of analytics is not to analyze individuals, but to generalize on a given dataset.

 

Disregarding the government, btw. The government is different. They actually ARE out to get you. Or more specific, awe pittance. But that's another story.

You seriously think both things aren't connected? lAWL!

  On 2/20/2012 at 11:48 PM, HoA said:

 

 

  On 2/20/2012 at 10:54 PM, chenGOD said:

is a google search private?

 

No.

http://www.google.co...es/privacy/faq/

It was actually more of a philosophical question addressing the blurring between private and public on the internet.

I might make the query from the privacy of my own home, but when it leaves my port 80, do those bits of information remain private? I've willingly put them out there. You know?

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:34 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:09 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:03 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 12:59 AM, goDel said:

By this time googol has so much information, the amount itself actually makes your information safer. The odds of someone actually looking at your private info is close to zero. And these analytical algorithms, I don't see much trouble in those. As long as you can opt out, you're fine, I guess. But you can opt out, can't you? But admittedly, my actual online footprint is negligible. So no worries.

 

BS, thats the resignation we're talking about... The odds of someone actually looking at my private info are completely random, if they have it, they can look at it, and also give it up to other entities.

??

There are no interest in providing information of individuals whatsoever. The information companies can buy is either aggregated/statistical, or anonymized. The point of analytics is not to analyze individuals, but to generalize on a given dataset.

 

Disregarding the government, btw. The government is different. They actually ARE out to get you. Or more specific, awe pittance. But that's another story.

 

You seriously think both things aren't connected? lAWL!

I seriously think we're all already connected in this hippy world. Through love and happiness. Private and not so private.

On a tangent: my job is to analyze healthcare data which has health data covering millions of people. Is the data private? It sure is. Does it even come across my mind to specifically look at some random persons data? Rarely. If I happen to look at one specific individual, it's purely because of some technical difficulty within the progam I'm writing. It has never got anything to do with the person itself. One person dissolves in the statistics of millions. And the only thing I see is numbers and codes.

Let's face it: you're all just a number when it comes to statistics. Like a boring gray cloud of drones all looking like oneanother. In general it's a waste of time to even consider looking at specific individuals.

What I do think is worrisome though, is theft of identity. When someone is online pretending to be you. That IS sick. And deeply so. But again, to a large extent you can manage your online footprint. If you want to minimize your exposure, there are countless ways to do so. Apart from theft of identity, how difficult is it to stop using all those cookies and use something like TOR to surf anonymous?

/non CP

If they were able to watch us masturbate we would still use google. No point in getting angry.

  On 2/20/2012 at 10:32 PM, Murveman said:

  On 2/20/2012 at 10:15 PM, chenGOD said:

don't leave yourself signed in to their services, and use Ghostery to help block tracking cookies, google analytics and so on.

Never heard of Ghostery. I'll give it a try because I'm getting increasingly paranoid about the internet.

aw hell yeaaa

This kind of privacy/surveillance/monitoring stuff freaks me out, and just watching this little guy tally all the trackers (5, 6 , 12...) is comforting and alarming at the same time

I'm not too worried about this kind of stuff because I don't see how knowing what sort of porn I like could be used for malicious purposes.

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:26 AM, zkreso said:

I'm not too worried about this kind of stuff because I don't see how knowing what sort of porn I like could be used for malicious purposes.

If you ever run for public office ..

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:26 AM, zkreso said:

I'm not too worried about this kind of stuff because I don't see how knowing what sort of porn I like could be used for malicious purposes.

It only becomes an issue when you're into CP. Then, you've got every reason to be scared. And rightly so.

Between the lines: the next person criticizing google is into CP.

*tumbleweed*

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:18 AM, YO303 said:

If they were able to watch us masturbate we would still use google. No point in getting angry.

I would use it more.

Also again for people super concerned - duckduckgo. They have some great privacy features - encrypted, anonymous searches totally possible.

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:14 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:34 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:09 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:03 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 12:59 AM, goDel said:

By this time googol has so much information, the amount itself actually makes your information safer. The odds of someone actually looking at your private info is close to zero. And these analytical algorithms, I don't see much trouble in those. As long as you can opt out, you're fine, I guess. But you can opt out, can't you? But admittedly, my actual online footprint is negligible. So no worries.

 

BS, thats the resignation we're talking about... The odds of someone actually looking at my private info are completely random, if they have it, they can look at it, and also give it up to other entities.

??

There are no interest in providing information of individuals whatsoever. The information companies can buy is either aggregated/statistical, or anonymized. The point of analytics is not to analyze individuals, but to generalize on a given dataset.

 

Disregarding the government, btw. The government is different. They actually ARE out to get you. Or more specific, awe pittance. But that's another story.

 

You seriously think both things aren't connected? lAWL!

 

I seriously think we're all already connected in this hippy world. Through love and happiness. Private and not so private.

 

On a tangent: my job is to analyze healthcare data which has health data covering millions of people. Is the data private? It sure is. Does it even come across my mind to specifically look at some random persons data? Rarely. If I happen to look at one specific individual, it's purely because of some technical difficulty within the progam I'm writing. It has never got anything to do with the person itself. One person dissolves in the statistics of millions. And the only thing I see is numbers and codes.

 

Let's face it: you're all just a number when it comes to statistics. Like a boring gray cloud of drones all looking like oneanother. In general it's a waste of time to even consider looking at specific individuals.

 

What I do think is worrisome though, is theft of identity. When someone is online pretending to be you. That IS sick. And deeply so. But again, to a large extent you can manage your online footprint. If you want to minimize your exposure, there are countless ways to do so. Apart from theft of identity, how difficult is it to stop using all those cookies and use something like TOR to surf anonymous?

 

/non CP

Omg thats not the point, if the data is shared, you arent really free, if you do something menacing you'll be scrutinized and you wont be able to do a single thing about it.

I'm not talking about some random guy having the sponateous need to look you up.

I would love to find out what kind of porn Santorum browses...

I was hanging out with some kids last night who were going on about how evil Google has become and how they're going to stop using Gmail and all other Google-run services before March 1st.

Then they posted their thoughts and exact GPS locations to the entire world on Twitter.

  On 2/21/2012 at 8:44 AM, lumpenprol said:

I would love to find out what kind of porn Santorum browses...

Rape porn. Or straight out snuff.

  On 2/21/2012 at 5:07 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:14 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:34 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:09 AM, goDel said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 1:03 AM, Kanakori said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 12:59 AM, goDel said:

By this time googol has so much information, the amount itself actually makes your information safer. The odds of someone actually looking at your private info is close to zero. And these analytical algorithms, I don't see much trouble in those. As long as you can opt out, you're fine, I guess. But you can opt out, can't you? But admittedly, my actual online footprint is negligible. So no worries.

 

BS, thats the resignation we're talking about... The odds of someone actually looking at my private info are completely random, if they have it, they can look at it, and also give it up to other entities.

??

There are no interest in providing information of individuals whatsoever. The information companies can buy is either aggregated/statistical, or anonymized. The point of analytics is not to analyze individuals, but to generalize on a given dataset.

 

Disregarding the government, btw. The government is different. They actually ARE out to get you. Or more specific, awe pittance. But that's another story.

 

You seriously think both things aren't connected? lAWL!

 

I seriously think we're all already connected in this hippy world. Through love and happiness. Private and not so private.

 

On a tangent: my job is to analyze healthcare data which has health data covering millions of people. Is the data private? It sure is. Does it even come across my mind to specifically look at some random persons data? Rarely. If I happen to look at one specific individual, it's purely because of some technical difficulty within the progam I'm writing. It has never got anything to do with the person itself. One person dissolves in the statistics of millions. And the only thing I see is numbers and codes.

 

Let's face it: you're all just a number when it comes to statistics. Like a boring gray cloud of drones all looking like oneanother. In general it's a waste of time to even consider looking at specific individuals.

 

What I do think is worrisome though, is theft of identity. When someone is online pretending to be you. That IS sick. And deeply so. But again, to a large extent you can manage your online footprint. If you want to minimize your exposure, there are countless ways to do so. Apart from theft of identity, how difficult is it to stop using all those cookies and use something like TOR to surf anonymous?

 

/non CP

 

Omg thats not the point, if the data is shared, you arent really free, if you do something menacing you'll be scrutinized and you wont be able to do a single thing about it.

I'm not talking about some random guy having the sponateous need to look you up.

Well obviously I don't understand. So I guess what you're trying to say is that people should have the freedom to do menacing things without getting scrutinized?

No, the problem is who defines what is menacing, ant those are the same that can look you up. ;)

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:26 AM, zkreso said:

I'm not too worried about this kind of stuff because I don't see how knowing what sort of porn I like could be used for malicious purposes.

what about if you are a muslim who chooses to be politically active against US foreign policy?

i don't mean to be rude but i find that viewpoint somewhat solipsistic

  On 2/21/2012 at 10:01 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:26 AM, zkreso said:

I'm not too worried about this kind of stuff because I don't see how knowing what sort of porn I like could be used for malicious purposes.

 

what about if you are a muslim who chooses to be politically active against US foreign policy?

 

i don't mean to be rude but i find that viewpoint somewhat solipsistic

then you should probably not use a communication method that is traceable, cuz america fuck yea

  On 2/21/2012 at 4:09 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 2/21/2012 at 2:18 AM, YO303 said:

If they were able to watch us masturbate we would still use google. No point in getting angry.

 

I would use it more.

 

Also again for people super concerned - duckduckgo. They have some great privacy features - encrypted, anonymous searches totally possible.

thank you and thank you

More information for people who are concerned:

How to remove your web history in Google

Six Tips to Protect your Search Privacy

ok so I have this ghostery thing and am now using duckduckgo as my default web search. The thing is, I'm on Chrome now and ghostery isn't able to block trackers in Chrome to the extent it can through other browsers (figures...). So my question is to those of you with Macs: what browser would you recommend that is as stripped back as Chrome but would allow better privacy? Also, I've used Opera (which I like) but uses about 2gb of ram for some stupid reason, and sometimes crashes my whole computer, so that's a no-go.