opiate addiction

  On 3/2/2012 at 1:34 AM, lumpenprol said:

apparently I have a monkey on my stomach. From beer.

yes. when OP mentioned burlap shits, my ears perked up in the saddest way imaginable. goddammit, beer.

I have some considerable debt I need to get myself out of, which is the only real pain I still feel from a lot of opiate use last year. I'm working full time and about to start school again so I'm keeping myself busy.

spore, hope you don't mind me commenting on this...

  On 3/1/2012 at 6:20 PM, Spore said:

I hate alcohol, dad was an alcoholic.

see, i never understood this mentality. my brother was an alcoholic also btw.

for me though, alcohol isn't worthy of my hate just because my brother destroyed himself with it... if he killed himself in a car crash i'd still drive my car. i dunno, it's clear in my mind who's to blame and it isn't alcohol.

obviously alcohol can do horrible things to a person if they're hell bent on destruction but so can lots of things... and that's kind of why i was a bit surprised by your above comment given that you've had your own problems with addiction.

i hope you're sorting yourself out anyway!

No prob man. I just seriously hate booze, the taste, the hangover and it takes a lot for me to get drunk. It's not about my dad, I'm an addict like him just different drug of choice.

  On 3/13/2012 at 6:34 AM, Spore said:

No prob man. I just seriously hate booze, the taste, the hangover and it takes a lot for me to get drunk. It's not about my dad, I'm an addict like him just different drug of choice.

cool man.

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  On 3/2/2012 at 1:45 PM, keltoi said:

spore, hope you don't mind me commenting on this...

 

  On 3/1/2012 at 6:20 PM, Spore said:

I hate alcohol, dad was an alcoholic.

 

see, i never understood this mentality. my brother was an alcoholic also btw.

 

for me though, alcohol isn't worthy of my hate just because my brother destroyed himself with it... if he killed himself in a car crash i'd still drive my car. i dunno, it's clear in my mind who's to blame and it isn't alcohol.

 

obviously alcohol can do horrible things to a person if they're hell bent on destruction but so can lots of things... and that's kind of why i was a bit surprised by your above comment given that you've had your own problems with addiction.

 

i hope you're sorting yourself out anyway!

alcohol still takes advantage of weak people, whether it be from genetics or from being shat on by life. unless you believe alcohol is fulfilling some sort of social darwinism, in which case i have nothing to say to you, that type of thinking is a kind of idealism that often doesn't really apply to real situations. you can say people have a choice but you can't expect people to be flawless decision-makers at all times, and often alcohol is there to fuck shit up when people are the most vulnerable to it. don't misunderstand me, alcoholism is not a sickness. But from a certain angle the fact that it is legal and yet so addictive and destructive makes it into something resembling an oppressive tool.

I don't hate alcohol with the fervor of people like my christian mother or AA-goers, but I respect it more than I have in the past.

yeah I have a good friend who on average drinks 6 half liter cans of beer every day, says it's not alcoholicism.. every time I even mention it he reacts like he's expecting an intervention or some shit. I don't know what his reasoning is.. he's also a vegetarian, but most of his daily nourishment probably comes from beer and cigarettes.. real sensible life choices there.

a few weeks ago he mentioned he quit coffee because "it isn't good for you!". like FUCK what?

  On 3/1/2012 at 6:04 PM, Fred McGriff said:

stay strong my brothers.

lol

I will probably have to stop drink as much as I do at some stage.

Just wanted to add, anyone who hasn't done opiates dont fucking start. I am at the end of my rope and wouldn't even care if I OD'd at this point. It's terrible being addicted to something that isnt even bigger than a fucking dime. I am a dumb fuck for even starting to mess around with them, but at the point of my life when I did, there was a perfect storm of events going on. So yeah, I love opiates, but hate them even more. Don't mess around with them, you will pay big fucking time.

  On 3/16/2012 at 2:49 AM, Spore said:

Just wanted to add, anyone who hasn't done opiates dont fucking start. I am at the end of my rope and wouldn't even care if I OD'd at this point. It's terrible being addicted to something that isnt even bigger than a fucking dime. I am a dumb fuck for even starting to mess around with them, but at the point of my life when I did, there was a perfect storm of events going on. So yeah, I love opiates, but hate them even more. Don't mess around with them, you will pay big fucking time.

i cannot echo this statement enough.

maybe you already said, but do you not have any treatment options?

Suboxone. But it's hard to quit at this moment in time as the problems that led me to start aren't taken care of. Subs only work if you really want to quit and taper. I do want to quit, but at the same time I don't because I still want to numb myself of my existence. Selfish, foolish, waste of time whatever but that's how I feel.

i hope you can work it out, because i know it's no way to live.

shit, Spore. i used to take suboxones/buprenorphine for shit & giggles, years back. long-lasting morphine type effect, better than methadon. what dose are you on? please taper off, my man, and try to take care of yourself :(

  On 3/16/2012 at 2:53 AM, Spore said:

Suboxone. But it's hard to quit at this moment in time as the problems that led me to start aren't taken care of. Subs only work if you really want to quit and taper. I do want to quit, but at the same time I don't because I still want to numb myself of my existence. Selfish, foolish, waste of time whatever but that's how I feel.

good luck man! is there anyone you know can help you there?

I only started a few months ago and havent taken it regulary for a few months. My doc prescribes an insane dosage, which lets me stock up. I use it now when I am in w/d and have no roxies. I usually take 4mgs, under the tongue. The strips. But I am supposed to take 8mgs under the tongue 3 TIMES A DAY. Fuck that noise. I am just using it now when I am in withdrawal. It doesn't get me high as I am not opiate naive and have a heavy tolerance, otherwise it would knock me on my ass.

  On 3/16/2012 at 4:20 PM, keltoi said:

  On 3/16/2012 at 2:53 AM, Spore said:

Suboxone. But it's hard to quit at this moment in time as the problems that led me to start aren't taken care of. Subs only work if you really want to quit and taper. I do want to quit, but at the same time I don't because I still want to numb myself of my existence. Selfish, foolish, waste of time whatever but that's how I feel.

 

good luck man! is there anyone you know can help you there?

Yeah there is a lot of mental health and addiction places in the tri state area, it's just a matter of me being ready to deal with it. It's gonna be hard and painful.

I've got chronic neck and back pain like a motherfucker, so I was taking 3-6 tramadol a day for a couple years alongside cyclobenzaprine. I haven't been taking them consistently for a while, but they're still in my life now and then. It really sucks, because every time I take them I feel way better, I'm more productive, and I'm more social.

I also got screwed out of a study for my wisdom teeth, but I'd already filled the prescription, so when I actually got them out I had two different strengths of hydrocodone. They were awesome for my pain, but damn was I unhappy for a couple weeks when they ran out. Not fun. Really not fun. Where tramadol sucks afterwards, an actual opiate like hydrocodone makes you feel like shit. Those withdrawals were awful.

If you have a legit reason to take any kind of painkillers, I suggest physical therapy and more natural remedies if possible.

Tramadol for me is like taking a pill and throwing it in the fucking corner. It does absolutely shit for my pain or anything else, I only use it when I'm desperate. Hydrocodones used to touch my pain and get me high, not anymore though. Tolerance is thru the roof. Also while on opiates, forget about sex and or a sex drive. If you wanna kill a porn addiction, get addicted to opiates.

Sounds rough, man. Sorry to hear it.

I'm not sure of the specifics of your condition, but mine's muscular, and physical therapy's really been helping.

Spore, have you considered Ibogaine?

As far as I know its the only thing to exist ever with a good track record for stopping addictions cold-turkey.

Very little actual clinical evidence, if any exist at all though. But hey, there's a lot of ex-junkies still alive thanks to that shit.

PSA for my fellow watmm brothers, tis true.

  On 7/9/2012 at 10:11 PM, Spore said:

PSA for my fellow watmm brothers, tis true.

Perhaps in light of your recent victory, you should change your Interests on your profile

I wish. I still have the monkey on my back and am still obsessed. Cravings come every 20 seconds it's torture when you have none.

  On 3/16/2012 at 6:23 PM, wahrk said:

I've got chronic neck and back pain like a motherfucker, so I was taking 3-6 tramadol a day for a couple years alongside cyclobenzaprine. I haven't been taking them consistently for a while, but they're still in my life now and then. It really sucks, because every time I take them I feel way better, I'm more productive, and I'm more social.

 

I also got screwed out of a study for my wisdom teeth, but I'd already filled the prescription, so when I actually got them out I had two different strengths of hydrocodone. They were awesome for my pain, but damn was I unhappy for a couple weeks when they ran out. Not fun. Really not fun. Where tramadol sucks afterwards, an actual opiate like hydrocodone makes you feel like shit. Those withdrawals were awful.

 

If you have a legit reason to take any kind of painkillers, I suggest physical therapy and more natural remedies if possible.

 

 

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Also, tramadol = sex for ages.

 

would you say that Tramadol (ultram?) is just as addictive as opiates like vicodin?

the reason i ask is because a good friend of mine's wife takes them everynight and she has a series of health problems like an issue with light sensitivities and headaches but i can't help but feel like she's mostly home-bound because of the amount of painkillers she takes a night (and not because of her other health issues) . I always heard tramadol was a lot more mild than vicodin, but is it?

Tramadol is a weird opiate that has SSRI properties. It can be habit forming and potentially addictive but it's near impossible to abuse or get high off of. But taking them does cause a light sense of well being or euphoria.