Vatican Shadow - Kneel Before Religious Icons

  On 3/12/2012 at 11:23 PM, Lucy Faringold said:

  On 3/12/2012 at 8:44 PM, Awepittance said:

...seems like his fans don't care about his constant use of controversial imagery with seemingly no purpose.

 

Come on man, the music drips with death and dread and nausea. The imagery works with the music. Stop trying to make everything so black and white.

What an interesting statement.

Oddly enough he dropped Muslimguaze in his FACT Mix - http://www.factmag.com/2011/07/18/fact-mix-266-prurient/ so the comparison would seem not to be a stretch.

I don't get death and dred in the Vatican Shadow stuff. I get distortion and noise, lo-fi drone, with drum loops. But for all of the scenery of it, I don't get any action. Sounds don't attack. Sense of space isn't altered. Ultimately the music doesn't call back to the titing. That said I could see it as soundtrack music for a movie about the "Vatican Shadows" in which the music isn't meant to be he action but what's happening on screen is. With such a set up I guess it works. It could also be said that the movie is our everyday lives. And like that I've created a context where I guess it works, but my arm was stretching pretty far.

All in all I've been longing for a music like this to emerge but I don't think this is quite it. There's not enough body in it. When I listen to Muslimguaze I can hear the sounds as a physical reaction to the state of things (reinforced if you've ever seen his live vids). Vatican Shadow, just sits there.

  On 3/13/2012 at 12:08 PM, Backson said:

So, let me get this straight...

 

Vatican Shadow is another alias of the dude from Purient? And the dude from Purient is also a member of Cold Cave and Nuclear Pig Shit?

 

And I thought Elon Katz was proactive! Man, these industrial revivalists sure are driven.

Yup. And it looks like Prurient has just had another release as well.

http://boomkat.com/downloads/504888-prurient-oxidation

the green vinyl is very nice!

also for pre-order, sold out at blackest ever black.

http://boomkat.com/vinyl/505280-vatican-shadow-iraqi-praetorian-guard

new tracks not on the cassettes afaik

I got this yesterday and really enjoying it... BUT - I hadn't heard his material before now except for a few previews and youtube (some of the YT uploads were pretty poor quality rips)... the tracks on the LP seem to be mostly edits that just end all of a sudden, like they've been cut down to fit on the LP - maybe this is how they were but it sounds terrible when they abruptly end like that... enjoying the track one minute and it just stops.

  On 3/12/2012 at 11:23 PM, Lucy Faringold said:

  On 3/12/2012 at 8:44 PM, Awepittance said:

...seems like his fans don't care about his constant use of controversial imagery with seemingly no purpose.

 

Come on man, the music drips with death and dread and nausea. The imagery works with the music. Stop trying to make everything so black and white.

come on man, stop being so apologetic on other things behalf that you dont know a fuck about

I can see the point of Awepittance well. Vatican Shadow is using a strange imagery for his products and I also still don't know what the intention is behind it. The LP re-release cover looks also questionable.

I hope for Vatican Shadow that this is no move to make the product more "shocking" for customers.

It would be a old trick from the 80ties and one point leading to my rejection of everything dealing with the "Whitehouse-term": musicians using a questionable amount of images from SS camps, mass murders or unreflected political happenings and more to shock the audience. I would like to see this album with a more neutral visual theme as it is (at least from the musical side) a good album.

Maybe Awepittance have a answer to this.

Great music, but fucking lol at the track titles (i can see the mi5 opening a folder on me just because i have this on my computer)

  On 3/25/2012 at 4:50 PM, YO303 said:

Great music, but fucking lol at the track titles (i can see the mi5 opening a folder on me just because i have this on my computer)

It's the overall concept that is just … well strange. Maybe it makes sense when we found a explanation from the musician for his taste of that imagery.

The Type edition is also heavily edited compared to the original release as mentioned before. Don't see the point why they reduced the track "Gods Representative On Earth" on 3 minutes instead of nearly 5. The buildup is gone and the track is ending abrupt as when the end of a tape is reached. Wonder why Type decided to re-cut it.

this is pretty

  On 3/24/2012 at 1:27 PM, Scubadevils said:

I got this yesterday and really enjoying it... BUT - I hadn't heard his material before now except for a few previews and youtube (some of the YT uploads were pretty poor quality rips)... the tracks on the LP seem to be mostly edits that just end all of a sudden, like they've been cut down to fit on the LP - maybe this is how they were but it sounds terrible when they abruptly end like that... enjoying the track one minute and it just stops.

Yeah the sudden track endings are very jarring - does anyone know if there are full versions available anywhere? Listening to the vinyl is very odd.

  On 3/31/2012 at 1:03 AM, danshoebridge said:

  On 3/24/2012 at 1:27 PM, Scubadevils said:

I got this yesterday and really enjoying it... BUT - I hadn't heard his material before now except for a few previews and youtube (some of the YT uploads were pretty poor quality rips)... the tracks on the LP seem to be mostly edits that just end all of a sudden, like they've been cut down to fit on the LP - maybe this is how they were but it sounds terrible when they abruptly end like that... enjoying the track one minute and it just stops.

 

Yeah the sudden track endings are very jarring - does anyone know if there are full versions available anywhere? Listening to the vinyl is very odd.

boomkat has both label editions as FLAC & MP3- I've bought the original files from there in an unedited version.

  On 4/1/2012 at 9:07 AM, MarinaStewart said:

  On 3/31/2012 at 1:03 AM, danshoebridge said:

  On 3/24/2012 at 1:27 PM, Scubadevils said:

I got this yesterday and really enjoying it... BUT - I hadn't heard his material before now except for a few previews and youtube (some of the YT uploads were pretty poor quality rips)... the tracks on the LP seem to be mostly edits that just end all of a sudden, like they've been cut down to fit on the LP - maybe this is how they were but it sounds terrible when they abruptly end like that... enjoying the track one minute and it just stops.

 

Yeah the sudden track endings are very jarring - does anyone know if there are full versions available anywhere? Listening to the vinyl is very odd.

 

 

boomkat has both label editions as FLAC & MP3- I've bought the original files from there in an unedited version.

Well might have to break a habit and fire up utorrent or something like that - I've already shelled out £16 for the vinyl, kind of pissed that it's a pressing of really odd edits of longer tracks.

  On 4/1/2012 at 12:02 PM, danshoebridge said:

  On 4/1/2012 at 9:07 AM, MarinaStewart said:

  On 3/31/2012 at 1:03 AM, danshoebridge said:

  On 3/24/2012 at 1:27 PM, Scubadevils said:

I got this yesterday and really enjoying it... BUT - I hadn't heard his material before now except for a few previews and youtube (some of the YT uploads were pretty poor quality rips)... the tracks on the LP seem to be mostly edits that just end all of a sudden, like they've been cut down to fit on the LP - maybe this is how they were but it sounds terrible when they abruptly end like that... enjoying the track one minute and it just stops.

 

Yeah the sudden track endings are very jarring - does anyone know if there are full versions available anywhere? Listening to the vinyl is very odd.

 

 

boomkat has both label editions as FLAC & MP3- I've bought the original files from there in an unedited version.

 

Well might have to break a habit and fire up utorrent or something like that - I've already shelled out £16 for the vinyl, kind of pissed that it's a pressing of really odd edits of longer tracks.

Understandable- I just signed in to the Type Forum to get an answer why it was edited in such a strange way.

The greatest thing about this project and with Mr. Fernow working with Cold Cave is how much it pisses off a certain sections of the noisier than thou noise community.

<3

LMAO @ this Quietus review - http://thequietus.com/articles/08417-vatican-shadow-kneel-before-religious-icons-review

  Quote

Rather than simply focusing on death, mutilation and sorrow - as he might have done when recording as Prurient - here the Wisconsinite looks at how information on grim events on the other side of the world is processed, reinterpreted and fed out to us, as we sit on our sofas drinking beer and gazing at the TV.

Just had a listen to this on Spotify, I really like the sounds on first listen but damn those abrupt endings.

  On 4/12/2012 at 1:40 PM, BUNKUM said:

Just had a listen to this on Spotify, I really like the sounds on first listen but damn those abrupt endings.

The forum at type wasn't very helpful. I asked that too there why there was such a shitty re-edit of the tracks but never got a reply. Normally John is very active there but maybe the question felt not under his radar.

Yeah, I've spun this LP a few times now and those f**king edits properly ruin it for me. I just don't know what they were thinking of with those.

  On 4/12/2012 at 9:14 PM, danshoebridge said:

Yeah, I've spun this LP a few times now and those f**king edits properly ruin it for me. I just don't know what they were thinking of with those.

Occasionally they're okay, but I agree that in the majority of cases it just sounds weird. Seems they tried to do something similar to The Caretaker's 'An Empty Bliss Beyond This World' but with most of this stuff it just doesn't work. :(

theyre for mixing not sitting on yer arses

I actually sent an email to Type a couple of weeks back asking why the abrupt endings... John replied very quickly with the below...

I got this response first -

"This was a decision by the artist to make a 'proper' version of the record as he wasn't happy with the original tape. The record was also remastered."

My reply was I don't understand the logic but who am I to question the artists intentions! - The reply to that was:

"With tapes it's often the case that they come out unfinished and unedited. The album was supposed to reflect a sense of tension and unease in the chopped endings and this is the 'master' release of the record. Takes some getting used to but I think that's the point."

I haven't really listened since as it just pisses me off. And no they are not just for mixing, you can actually just 'listen' also and the listening experience in this case is shit.

  On 4/13/2012 at 7:36 PM, Scubadevils said:

I actually sent an email to Type a couple of weeks back asking why the abrupt endings... John replied very quickly with the below...

 

I got this response first -

 

"This was a decision by the artist to make a 'proper' version of the record as he wasn't happy with the original tape. The record was also remastered."

 

My reply was I don't understand the logic but who am I to question the artists intentions! - The reply to that was:

 

"With tapes it's often the case that they come out unfinished and unedited. The album was supposed to reflect a sense of tension and unease in the chopped endings and this is the 'master' release of the record. Takes some getting used to but I think that's the point."

 

I haven't really listened since as it just pisses me off. And no they are not just for mixing, you can actually just 'listen' also and the listening experience in this case is shit.

Thank you very much for sharing this information! Wonder why I haven't send John a mail as well.

I bought the vinyl because I really love the album but don't want to pay high prices for an tape in such a small run.

To be honest the second answer from John sounds like someone who is searching for an excuse.

Don't get me wrong, but I don't think a label would put out an "unfinished" or "unedited" product. When the problem was there, why is Hospital selling the digital copy of the tape in the unedited form on boomkat.

The original album is

40:50 minutes in lenght and the "Type Edition" is

34:24 minutes in lenght (compared from both digital versions)

They don't saved much time and 40 minutes over two sides is just something that fit well under audio quality aspects.

I hope the new Vatican Shadow on Blackest Ever Black isn't edited as well.

Kind of the the reply I expected really

Funny fact that they sell the Type mp3 at boomkat for a higher price then the original label release. I understand that mastering costs a lot of money but here you get not much more value for the money simply said

anyone else or just me?