Electronic Cliches That Are Bad

  On 3/18/2012 at 11:57 PM, Cryptowen said:

It's like, if a dude makes Acid because the sound of chewy 303s speaks to him & he thinks it's the best way to convey an emotion or idea, then that's cool. But if he's just thinking MAN I BET I CAN SOUND JUST LIKE A RAVE FROM 1989, then that's sorta ehhhhh

What if sounding just like a rave from 1989 speaks to him and he thinks it's the best way to convey an emotion or an idea?

  On 3/19/2012 at 12:01 AM, usagi said:

I think the amen break should be put to bed. that's it, really. I was also going to mention retro themes and bladerunner-esque dialogue samples, but those still have life in them.

 

edit: also, and I know this will not go down well with the watmm, but I only enjoy like 15% of acid music out there, it gets old really fast for me. but that's just my taste, not an indictment on acid itself.

I agree with both statements. I enjoy the occasional acid squelch but when it's the sole melodic content of a track then that can get a bit silly.

did anybody mention the granular analysis stuttering randomizing whatever effect in glitch/idm? It was nice hearing it first in bucephalus bouncing ball and hangable auto bulb tracks, but it just turned into masturbatory drumbreak filler.

I'm starting to get the feeling that complaining about cliches in electronic music is an electronic music cliche. Like, most of the people I know in real life are in rock bands or play guitar, & they don't go around to each other & say "oh, another song where you strum some chords & sing about your ex-girlfriend. Reeeeeaaaallll original bud"

Maybe it's because a lot of electronic music people are more about the process & overall track atmosphere than the specific details contained within.

This is easily the most elitist thread I've read on WATMM in years, and thats saying something.

IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME MAN

being afraid to use cliches.

I challenge you to post a recent song that you consider to not be cliche

Robert Henke AKA Monolake (involved in the conception of Ableton Live) in a recent interview (http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1522)

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Of course. I believe art cannot exist without clichés. I've never seen something 100% unique. I only see unique things if I don't know enough about what other people did. The more I learn about art in all forms, the more I understand that it's all a slow process. It's just people adding on top of each other.

 

I believe more in interesting evolutions than anything revolutionary. I think what distinguishes interesting music from less interesting music is people either using the cliché in interesting ways or repeating it exactly. Sometimes the most successful and intriguing music is the one which uses the cliché, but looks at it from a slightly different angle. It's the same in movies. What makes a good movie? That you can somehow anticipate the next movement, and then it comes—but from a totally different angle. That's when you think, "Damn, this is cool."

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:23 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Robert Henke AKA Monolake (involved in the conception of Ableton Live) in a recent interview (http://www.residenta...ature.aspx?1522)

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Of course. I believe art cannot exist without clichés. I've never seen something 100% unique. I only see unique things if I don't know enough about what other people did. The more I learn about art in all forms, the more I understand that it's all a slow process. It's just people adding on top of each other.

 

I believe more in interesting evolutions than anything revolutionary. I think what distinguishes interesting music from less interesting music is people either using the cliché in interesting ways or repeating it exactly. Sometimes the most successful and intriguing music is the one which uses the cliché, but looks at it from a slightly different angle. It's the same in movies. What makes a good movie? That you can somehow anticipate the next movement, and then it comes—but from a totally different angle. That's when you think, "Damn, this is cool."

Definitely relevant to my ideas about music and art in general.

  On 3/16/2012 at 8:12 PM, Cryptowen said:

-sampling dialogue from an old movie without significant alteration. YEAH MAN I LIKED BLADE RUNNER TOO BUT IT ISN'T 1994 ANYMORE

mostly yes. but it definitely works for burial.

why do people 'av to make such long threads, i can't be bothered to read 'em !

kaini, what's the gist?????

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:45 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/16/2012 at 8:12 PM, Cryptowen said:

-sampling dialogue from an old movie without significant alteration. YEAH MAN I LIKED BLADE RUNNER TOO BUT IT ISN'T 1994 ANYMORE

mostly yes. but it definitely works for burial.

wut. Blade Runner was made in 1984...... actually before that, cos it came out in 84, innit.

what is his point?

fuck yeah skull trumpet

piepuppy89 is swag. So is cboyardee, but he took down all of his videos because he's a whiny baby who can't handle an over-zealous fanbase.

  On 3/19/2012 at 1:25 AM, acid1 said:

This is easily the most elitist thread I've read on WATMM in years, and thats saying something.

I think it's also one of the funniest threads on WATMM. Don't know about years, but at least since I joined.

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making your album cover: ... random geometric shape...

Digital art for wahrk's latest release.

Cover for my Next Release.

Artwork for a Quiliuq album I'm working on.

My last album.

Yeah...

Same with me and clouds..

Fuck it though, clouds are AWESOME.

i have to say, this forum is just the absolute of negative.

everything here is so negative. it is the actual hell of internet forums.

  On 3/19/2012 at 6:07 AM, sirch said:

i have to say, this forum is just the absolute of negative.

everything here is so negative. it is the actual hell of internet forums.

http://pfhorums.com/

Pretty much the crappiest forum I've ever been to. It used to be worse. Then again, I was young when I started posting there and frequently made a fool of myself, and the people there are unrelenting in making fun of stupid people.

No offense meant to the admins though; $lave is a cool guy. It has gotten better recently, although also a bit more dead.

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:51 AM, sirch said:

why do people 'av to make such long threads, i can't be bothered to read 'em !

 

 

kaini, what's the gist?????

 

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:45 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/16/2012 at 8:12 PM, Cryptowen said:

-sampling dialogue from an old movie without significant alteration. YEAH MAN I LIKED BLADE RUNNER TOO BUT IT ISN'T 1994 ANYMORE

mostly yes. but it definitely works for burial.

 

wut. Blade Runner was made in 1984...... actually before that, cos it came out in 84, innit.

 

what is his point?

It actually came out in 1982.

  On 3/19/2012 at 6:13 AM, Enter a new display name said:

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:51 AM, sirch said:

why do people 'av to make such long threads, i can't be bothered to read 'em !

 

 

kaini, what's the gist?????

 

  On 3/19/2012 at 4:45 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/16/2012 at 8:12 PM, Cryptowen said:

-sampling dialogue from an old movie without significant alteration. YEAH MAN I LIKED BLADE RUNNER TOO BUT IT ISN'T 1994 ANYMORE

mostly yes. but it definitely works for burial.

 

wut. Blade Runner was made in 1984...... actually before that, cos it came out in 84, innit.

 

what is his point?

 

It actually came out in 1982.

  On 3/19/2012 at 6:13 AM, Enter a new display name said:

5485 posts

  On 3/17/2012 at 10:16 PM, wahrk said:

  On 3/17/2012 at 10:04 PM, Kanakori said:

songs that go

 

tururururu tu tu *clap clap* tururururu tu tu

 

at some point

 

You mean like this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo

 

um

I sampled it before

Does that mean im gay

cos im ok with that

we should make a watmm comp were we abuse all these cliches on all tracks.

  On 3/19/2012 at 12:57 AM, Cryptowen said:

hey don't go around to each other & say "oh, another song where you strum some chords & sing about your ex-girlfriend. Reeeeeaaaallll original bud"

maybe they should

  On 3/19/2012 at 8:16 AM, coax said:

  On 3/19/2012 at 12:57 AM, Cryptowen said:

hey don't go around to each other & say "oh, another song where you strum some chords & sing about your ex-girlfriend. Reeeeeaaaallll original bud"

maybe they should

they def should and i do that all the time. i am very popular as you can imagine.

  On 3/19/2012 at 8:16 AM, coax said:

  On 3/19/2012 at 12:57 AM, Cryptowen said:

hey don't go around to each other & say "oh, another song where you strum some chords & sing about your ex-girlfriend. Reeeeeaaaallll original bud"

maybe they should