Do you eat a lot of meat ?

  On 10/19/2016 at 1:41 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I believe in compassion toward any sentient being

 

except refugees.

  On 10/19/2016 at 2:35 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 10/19/2016 at 1:41 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I believe in compassion toward any sentient being

 

except refugees.

 

maybe you should go back to that discussion. all I said is that opening the borders without any kind of management or intelligent plan is not a good idea. you decided to take for basis that I said that because I was racist or intolerant. I have lived literally with many musulman. I used to rent rooms in my appartments and must have taken about 5 musulman that I chose. 

 

seriously, in canada, I know nobody personally who is racist. its like I have never met someone who truly is. multiculturalism is integral part of most canadian metropolitan city. There is many social debates however in canada about musulman tradition like the hijab, ect. the gouvernement actually wanted to make it illegal for woman to wear hijab.

Edited October 19, 2016 by Ayya Khema

you're not fooling anyone, maetl. I remember full well what you said in that thread.

Edited October 19, 2016 by usagi

  On 10/19/2016 at 5:53 AM, usagi said:

you're not fooling anyone, maetl. I remember full well what you said in that thread.

I went back to read what I said, I can understand why you think that way, I should have phrased my thoughts more carefully. 

Edited October 19, 2016 by Ayya Khema

yeah but bacon, lamb chops, pate, scotch eggs (homemade), italian sausage, ROAST BEEF, lamb kebabs (homemade), meatball subs (homemade), lamb rogan josh (homemade)

 

these are all lush

 

you know the grossest meat product ever experienced? "chipped beef" in the US, where the toughest most gristle-ized cuts of possibly beef bits are served in a roux/bacon fat heavy gravy, only ruined by the "wtf is this chewy cartilage" in the deliciously banging gravy.

 

tbh i thought cat or seagull was a more likely source

 

as an aside, US style gravy (like u get served with buttermilk biscuits) is food of the real & mythical gods, any1 who argues against this is a witch

  On 10/20/2016 at 12:49 AM, cwmbrancity said:

 

you know the grossest meat product ever experienced? "chipped beef" in the US, where the toughest most gristle-ized cuts of possibly beef bits are served in a roux/bacon fat heavy gravy, only ruined by the "wtf is this chewy cartilage" in the deliciously banging gravy.

 

Have you had scrapple though?

Anyone ever had "head cheese"?

 

PS what the fuck is "head cheese"?

PPS (lol peepee) just googled "head cheese"

I present to you...head cheese:

 

As an actual Okinawan Japanese, I can tell you that my traditional diet, thoughts, and movements consist 99% of IDM.  The leftover 1%: IDM.

scrapple? that looks like meatloaf meets the dodgiest of dodgy kebab meat constructions, like what we have here as "paste" as an older rationing alternative to "that French crap" pate

 

head cheese is for the hardcore, but if you like course pate, or tripe or much rougher British equivalents called Brawn but with the latter regional variations differ loads doe, i cant take to it personally

 

its like whelks, if you love sea-food, fish etc theres so much goodness, but then try a whelk in a seafood tower in Brittany and they can induce spew lol, a ex went green once after confronting 1 funny as fk

 

none of its sustainable, but humanity seems designed to just chew it all up

I'll eat pretty much anything that won't kill me.

  On 10/20/2016 at 1:17 AM, peace 7 said:

As an actual Okinawan Japanese, I can tell you that my traditional diet, thoughts, and movements consist 99% of IDM.  The leftover 1%: IDM.

 

would like to see some of y'alls meals though

 

apparently traditionally like 69% of your calories came from sweet potatoes, but at festivals and celebrations y'all consumed enough pork to make your total pork intake higher than the average japanese person. I'm befuddled.

Yah, Okinawans eat a fuckload of pork, apparently...  I eat a lot of cooked vegetables and also try to keep regular with fermented foods (natto, yogurt), raw fruits/vegetables, etc.  I also eat meat.  And if I think about it from a moral perspective, I'm responsible for every animal's death that I've eaten (though eaten respectfully)-- but with that, the point is how good can one make their life and others'.  I had a profound moment a few years ago eating shrimp, and as I finished sucking out the shells, I realized that one day, things would also be eating me.  Or, they already are living off of me.  Energy transcends and nothing really dies.

 

From a life-energy transference perspective, the most efficient foods are:

- raw fruits and vegetables

- animal parts

- synthetic bullshit

 

Technically the most efficient food is life-energy itself, but most people aren't geared for that.

 

And when it comes to eating meat... one has to take into consideration their context.  Most people cannot afford to eat ultra healthily.  But if one is set on spreading good vibez, then it's paramount that one take care of themselves, even if they have to eat meat.  The monk who sacrifices his/her health over moral mind games has lost the bigger picture.

i don't eat anything that has a face (apart from fish and some potatoes)

  On 10/20/2016 at 6:57 PM, perunamuussi said:

i don't eat anything that has a face (apart from fish and some potatoes)

 

sad wife

 

 

 

  On 10/20/2016 at 7:03 PM, Bulk VanderHuge said:

 

  On 10/20/2016 at 6:57 PM, perunamuussi said:

i don't eat anything that has a face (apart from fish and some potatoes)

 

sad wife

 

 

 

he said he eats fish

I stopped consuming dairy and cut way down on carbs and my voice became clearer and crispier almost immediately.

casting a vote for headcheese

  On 10/20/2016 at 7:23 PM, juiceciuj said:

 

  On 10/20/2016 at 7:03 PM, Bulk VanderHuge said:

 

  On 10/20/2016 at 6:57 PM, perunamuussi said:

i don't eat anything that has a face (apart from fish and some potatoes)

 

sad wife

 

 

 

he said he eats fish

 

 

lol

Stephen, that is terrible.

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

>grazing animals doesn't require farming. the nutrients you get from grains is not equivalent to the nutrients you get from eating grazing animals. Your argument is not logical on multiple levels. Animal fertilizer is superior to plant fertilizer.

 

>there's definitely environmentally neutral ways to exist.

I'm not sure that you've really thought this through, but maybe you have. One way to find out would be if you have a go at "inundating [me] with scientific research" on the feasibility and sustainability of this grass-fed pipedream of yours.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

> It's your opinion that it requires less supplementation. It's the opinion of mine and many very highly educated people that it requires the amount of supplementation I suggest. I would love to see any of the vegans or vegetarians get a full blood panel done to analyze their actual health. The fact that it requires any supplementation at all really proves the point that it's an insufficient diet though.

Well, for instance, I have never seen anyone with vegans' best interests at heart suggest that they supplement vitamin A rather then get it from super common healthy foods like carrots and tomatoes etc. Seems like it's always some kind of anti-vegan skeptic or a supplement pusher coming up with that stuff. And it boils down to the argument about how it's already preformed in animal foods, but it's so easy to consume huge amounts of the plant precursors that the inefficiency of forming it yourself from plant foods is no issue.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

What you're suggesting in terms of calorie ratios is absolutely stupid. Sorry. But it's dumb. It doesn't make sense in application. I don't even worry about calories because my metabolism is that good now. It's not even a consideration. I eat as much as I want all the time. This was not the case before. The fact of the matter is that on a plant based diet you have to eat a lot more calories in general which isn't necessarily beneficial as it increases the breakdown of the body through oxidative stress.

You're contradicting yourself here. If the metabolic advantage, i.e. raised metabolic rate, of a high fat MCT oil animal whatever diet compared to a low-fat vegan diet were real then that means the former has the higher energy requirements, not vice versa. So which is it?

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

LET ME REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN. THE FATS THAT I SUGGESTED PLAY AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR BODY DESIRES THEM. THEY ARE BENEFICIAL TO CONSUME ON MULTIPLE LEVELS THAT I'VE OUTLINED. I CAN INUNDATE YOU WITH SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH IF YOU DESIRE ME TO.

I don't know man, I am my body and I don't desire them. You are your body and you can desire whatever you like as long as it isn't harming anyone else so have all the coconuts you want. Animal foods are a different deal to me ethically, but even then I'm not too bothered by what anyone else does. Regarding the research, I've tried to read what you provided (see below) but obviously there is a limit to the amount of time I'm able/willing to invest in this discussion, or "debate" as you call it.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

> You're actually in denial. The entire basis of your position is the human body/behavior in a vacuum. Humans use fats for food preparation because it makes it better. There is nothing alleged about this. It also makes cooking easier and better. The entire point is to eat less food that tastes better so that you are not forced into eating every 1-2 hours because you're hungry all of the time, or forcing yourself to eat something you don't desire/enjoy. To not be a slave to foods. Eating more food does not equal better. Not even close. It's more expensive and it requires more time. You don't want either of those things. It's not even realistic to require someone to eat more foods that they don't desire just to meet nutrient requirements either. So the basis is way off. Adding oil to your foods to improve palatibility and lowering the total requirement is the better option.

What you are describing is a relationship to food that's completely different from mine. I get by on three meals a day, no energy dips or hunger. I eat a decent volume of food at those meals but that's due to its low specific energy, so it's nothing crazy in terms of total calories consumed. It doesn't leave me craving more after only a couple of hours or crashing when I have to unexpectedly skip a meal either. I like eating it, and don't feel forced to do anything I don't desire. My staples (the grains, legumes, tubers,...) are dirt cheap, the veggies too for the most part. Definitely cheaper than your ultra scarce grass-fed meat would be, LOL. I'd guess the most expensive things I treat myself to are certain non-local fruits like persimmon, mango,... I used to eat a lot of various kinds of nuts and seeds too before I backed off on the fat but my diet has only become cheaper by taking those off the menu. (That's not to say that fatty foods or energy-laden foods in general are expensive because they aren't, I agree.)

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

A blanket comparison of nuts/seeds vs potatoes/oats is awkward. Not a realistic example of the choices for food that we have available.

These are real foods you can find anywhere (certainly more common than coconut oil around these parts), not sure how much more realistic we can get. What do you consider realistic then, junk like white bread and table sugar only?

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

If you want to test how well your metabolism is functioning take your temperature 3 times a day and report back the results. You should be very close to 98.6 F almost all of the time, but it might vary based on the time of day. If you are under 98.0 F your metabolic function is suffering a lot. There are numerous causes, but increasing thermogenically favorable foods like coconut oil/MCT's improves this.

I'd be willing to try this since it's very little effort, except I don't have a working thermometer right now.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I think that I could probably eat the equivalent amount of calories you eat with all the added oils and fats that I eat and gain less than 10 pounds if it's above my current caloric intake. Which I don't even track btw because it's completely irrelevant to me. I'd definitely be willing to try it if you provide what you're eating to me. I cannot do it and eat all the carbohydrates you eat so I would have to substitute other foods like veggies, meat, and fruits.

Yeah, so assuming our energy requirements are remotely comparable you're saying that if you ate everything I ate and added all your fat on top of that you'd gain weight? No shit. How is that not exactly what I said myself.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

There is a simple experiment to test the very different way you will feel if you eat MCT's. Mix them with your tea or coffee in a blender and drink them. You will instantly feel energy and a reduction in your hunger.

Why not eat it pure, would it be so supremely palatable and digestible that it would be too damn awesome? Are you just desperate to add confounds to the experiment?

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

The reason you are likely not to be stuck with excess energy on HFLC is because ketones suppress appetite which means you will not be likely to overeat which is extremely common with HCLF diets due to constant feelings of hunger caused by numerous factors including blood insulin levels and leptin resistance. There is nothing mythical about a metabolic advantage. It is a fact.

If you think overeating is extremely common on the kind of whole-food, fiber-rich, high-carb low-fat vegan diet I'm talking about that's fine, but then produce the data on all the overweight people who eat that way or agree to disagree.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Ketosis only occurs when the body's glycogen stores are depleted. If you continually add more glucose to the body then you will never begin to use fat as fuel. It's pretty simple.

Yeah, so in other words you will begin to use fat as fuel during fasting between meals, but have to go out of your way to stay in that state across meals. Does this not seem to tell you something about what your preferred fuel is?

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Here's a very short paper on why you should be consuming coconut oil/mct's: https://www.foundmyfitness.com/ebook/Coconut_Oil_Report.pdf

The author sure loves rodent research. You write "if you feed a tomato to 15 people you will see 15 people's bodies react differently" but would base your behavior on studies conducted on mice and rats. Anyway all the human data seem to come from studies comparing MCTs to other fats. What we need here is research comparing them to complex carbs. And I don't mean the disingenuous kind of "research" like those olive oil trials where they manage to construct a high carb junk food diet that's even lower in fiber than the oil-rich diet.

 

  On 10/18/2016 at 10:43 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

> Okinawans eat more fat and less carbs though.

I doubt it. Here are their macronutrient ratios (and a lot more, obviously) compared to other Japanese, back when they were still firmly set in their good habits. Taken from here.

 

Your arguments regularly dip into the sphere of absurdity. I'll reply later.

  On 10/20/2016 at 10:26 PM, usagi said:

Stephen, that is terrible.

I only jest. 

 

I'm sorry 

lol I'm talking about your avatar and name and all those changes.

oh lol. 

 

On topic: I had to eat quite a lot of meat to get this hooj.