FBI wants to require Facebook, Skype, etc to allow wiretapping

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:26 AM, Adjective said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:07 AM, roasty said:

Slightly off-topic, but some of you will be interested to read this http://www.nytimes.c...e-fbi.html?_r=1

i wish more people knew the nature of these "foiled terror plots"

What about this recent plot involving 5 anarchists...

Edit: these guys don't look like the smartest bunch afterall:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:29 AM, Pennywise said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:28 AM, tauboo said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:24 AM, Pennywise said:

maybe surveillance is beneficial because you can see who they are contacting. I get what you guys are saying. I cant decide though without knowing what the FBI prevents. Also I have 6 cans of beer inside me. Its fun to talk about this shit though. I respect all of your comments, I dont wanna argue no more

the FBI should just get everyone drunk

 

Including the english? then im for it

everyone.

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:35 AM, roasty said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:26 AM, Adjective said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:07 AM, roasty said:

Slightly off-topic, but some of you will be interested to read this http://www.nytimes.c...e-fbi.html?_r=1

i wish more people knew the nature of these "foiled terror plots"

 

What about this recent plot involving 5 anarchists...

 

Edit: these guys don't look like the smartest bunch afterall:

not much to go on really, but my first thought was of this case: http://www.pbs.org/pov/betterthisworld

that doc covers a plot to firebomb a convention, and shows how an fbi informant bullied and lead a goup into attempting it.

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:24 AM, Pennywise said:

maybe surveillance is beneficial because you can see who they are contacting. I get what you guys are saying. I cant decide though without knowing what the FBI prevents. Also I have 6 cans of beer inside me. Its fun to talk about this shit though. I respect all of your comments, I dont wanna argue no more

How many terrorist attacks have occurred on american soil since 9/11? None. Thus the FBI/CIA/NSA/HSA/TSA/DEA/ATF are either doing a bang up job, and the methods used are already fine, or the threat of terrorist attacks is vastly overstated.

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:50 AM, Adjective said:

not much to go on really, but my first thought was of this case: http://www.pbs.org/pov/betterthisworld

that doc covers a plot to firebomb a convention, and shows how an fbi informant bullied and lead a goup into attempting it.

Cheers, I have to see this. My first thought was along the same lines - if they could fish for fools from the occupy movement, twould be a convenient way of subverting it

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:56 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 5/5/2012 at 2:24 AM, Pennywise said:

maybe surveillance is beneficial because you can see who they are contacting. I get what you guys are saying. I cant decide though without knowing what the FBI prevents. Also I have 6 cans of beer inside me. Its fun to talk about this shit though. I respect all of your comments, I dont wanna argue no more

How many terrorist attacks have occurred on american soil since 9/11? None. Thus the FBI/CIA/NSA/HSA/TSA/DEA/ATF are either doing a bang up job, and the methods used are already fine, or the threat of terrorist attacks is vastly overstated.

Thats kinda my point though. You don't know, neither do I

I do know that the methods they use to collect information don't need expanding further.

Also I fully support the FBI getting e'rybody tipsy

This whole line of questioning. "You don't know everything behind the scenes, how are you qualified to make a judgement?"

This is totalitarianism in one statement.

edit: and no, this isn't a kneejerk statement either.

You upset about paying a new tax on 10% of your earned income? The fuck do you know about what the money is spent on? Shut the fuck up and pay it. Upset about your company laying you off in favor of someone overseas who charges a fraction of what you did for your labor? Fuck you, the hell do you know about the situation? You aren't qualified to make that decision. Leave capitalism to the capitalists.

There is no longer a need for the demos, the world belongs to the qualified "in-the know" people. Well, how do people become "in-the-know"? Fuck you, you aren't qualified to determine the adequate amount of knowledge.

you could workshop that into george carlin-esque bit^

got bored halfway through page 2

pennywise: you are a total fucking moron

  On 5/5/2012 at 3:53 AM, LUDD said:

got bored halfway through page 2

 

pennywise: you are a total fucking moron

Autoglass Repair. Autoglass Replace.

and?

dunno, it was worth a shot

you're still a moron

I guess so. Sorry man.

Pennywise doesn't seem to be attacking anyone here, and he's asking legitimate questions. I don't think that he's an idiot.

Government intervention in this sense is an invasion of privacy. And no, if one terrorist is found it does not justify it. Who knows what harm this kind of thing could do in the long run if left unchecked? Plus, I hardly think that terrorism is our worst threat; sex trafficking is probably a bigger one. Focusing on terrorism seems a bit ridiculous to me. Terrorism is more obvious and scary, but look around you and you'll see that other things are much worse. Although the people who've made child porn for years are probably pretty damn good at not getting caught, and probably never use Facebook anyway.

If you're really afraid of government meddling, then you could always try the dark web.

Our worst threat is bank issued currency. Somewhere close behind that is violation of personal liberties.

The government is for building roads and being a cost effective way of running schools and hospitals. Sure they're useful for protecting our personal space from being violated by any other member of the community, but this should be in the context that those commissioned with the powers to do the protecting are also members of that same community and so must submit to the same obligations to respect liberty as everyone else.

  On 5/5/2012 at 4:26 AM, gmanyo said:

Pennywise doesn't seem to be attacking anyone here, and he's asking legitimate questions. I don't think that he's an idiot.

 

Government intervention in this sense is an invasion of privacy. And no, if one terrorist is found it does not justify it. Who knows what harm this kind of thing could do in the long run if left unchecked? Plus, I hardly think that terrorism is our worst threat; sex trafficking is probably a bigger one. Focusing on terrorism seems a bit ridiculous to me. Terrorism is more obvious and scary, but look around you and you'll see that other things are much worse. Although the people who've made child porn for years are probably pretty damn good at not getting caught, and probably never use Facebook anyway.

 

If you're really afraid of government meddling, then you could always try the dark web.

  On 5/5/2012 at 4:42 AM, delet... said:

The government is useful for protecting our personal space from being violated by any other member of the community [among many other things], but this should be in the context that those commissioned with the powers to do the protecting are also members of that same community and so must submit to the same obligations to respect liberty as everyone else.

Well said.

The "threat" of terrorism is just a front to give people a false sense of security as they allow themselves to be monitored for "the greater good". These are the same people who take 9/11 at face value.

- if you aren't doing anything illegal, you don't have anything to hide

- privacy is already over, stop complaining about it

- we are under the threat of terrorism on a daily basis

  On 5/5/2012 at 8:44 AM, Awepittance said:

- if you aren't doing anything illegal, you don't have anything to hide

 

- privacy is already over, stop complaining about it

 

- we are under the threat of terrorism on a daily basis

Depends on who's judging. Stop speaking through your ass.

yeah sorry i guess sometimes my blatant sarcasm is not always apparent.

'if they catch one terrorist'

what actually defines one these days?

  On 5/5/2012 at 1:24 AM, Pennywise said:

just a question that I'm interested in hearing the answer to...

 

if they caught just one terrorist , would it be justified?

The actual question should be

"if the government once uses this power to silence political dissent, imprison political enemies, or harrass individuals, would it be justified?"

And the answer is fuck no. Not now not ever will this be justified.