"Obamacare found Constitutional"

  On 7/3/2012 at 2:59 PM, gmanyo said:

Well I want to hear it! Conspiracy theories are badass anyway.

I am quickly realizing that it will take far too long to make a coherent reply without going off on too many tangents, so here are some of the places I would start if "conspiracies" interests you.

Washington D.C. masonic imagery

The Federal Reserve Bank

Bildergerg Group

Trilateral Commission

Birth Certificate Bank Note

Staged terror attack

Operation Northwoods

The Patriot Act

WTC Building 7

Georgia guidestones

Martial Law directives

Rex 84

Police State

These may seem like random subjects I threw together, but they are all linked. I should give some sort of a warning because after many years of researching, watching videos and reading books on these matters... it becomes a lifestyle- completely impossible to revert back to the innocence of being in the dark. Depending on how far down the rabbit hole you travel, you may never look at things the same again (Especially the nonsense debates going on in this thread). I am not trying to be dramatic, but this stuff is life changing if you are receptive to it.

Also, the idea that Osama Bin Laden was behind the WTC attacks on Sept. 11th is a conspiracy theory as well.

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:32 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 2:59 PM, gmanyo said:

Well I want to hear it! Conspiracy theories are badass anyway.

Also, the idea that Osama Bin Laden was behind the WTC attacks on Sept. 11th is a conspiracy theory as well.

Cool, but it hasn't got anything to do with the topic of this thread.

So you come into a thread about healthcare, claim everyone is off mark, then admit you can't be assed to add something of value, so instead make a vague "life changing" list. To which you expect, us, the audience, to drop our shit and like Nicholas Cage go on a National Treasure adventure down some rabbit hole that will lead one to the remarkable conclusion that 9/11 is a conspiracy theory...

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:40 PM, compson said:

So you come into a thread about healthcare, claim everyone is off mark, then admit you can't be assed to add something of value, so instead make a vague "life changing" list. To which you expect, us, the audience, to drop our shit and like Nicholas Cage go on a National Treasure adventure down some rabbit hole that will lead one to the remarkable conclusion that 9/11 is a conspiracy theory...

I actually laughed out loud when I read this because putting myself in your place, I would be saying the same thing. Like... who the fuck does this guy think he is? I know my post is a bit rough around the edges and can be viewed as a thread hijack, but the topics are completely related. My "life changing" list comes out of frustration and I cannot go into more depth because.

1) It will take too long

2) I am not gifted enough to be able to describe 8 years of a different mindset in one post

3) It will most likely be a waste of time because people generally laugh this shit

Why do you think generally laugh and discredit conspiracy theories? Not taking a stand on the legitimacy of the theories, but rather what makes one believe in one or many of these. Where does the need to think that there are men behind the curtain pulling strings and steering the world towards some nefarious end?

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:52 PM, azatoth said:

Why do you think generally laugh and discredit conspiracy theories?

Because of experience. Try having a conversation with a baby boomer about illegal wars or fake terror plots.

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:55 PM, RandySicko said:

Because of experience. Try having a conversation with a baby boomer about illegal wars or fake terror plots.

WWI&II, kings, rulers, etc deposed

Rothschild&Warburg bankers take power

They use debt to control the world

Which is why Obamacare benefits them

I appreciate the sense of humor about this and I would add that even if you are right about these theories, you can't prove them. Because of this, a better way to discredit an institution that is corrupt, is to focus on smaller examples that are a provable byproduct of corruption. By discrediting the moral standing of these structured institutions, one might then be more understanding of the possibility of larger conspiracies.

I should have seperated my list into just that. You are correct though.. and that is why I usually start with Operation Northwoods. A plan by the U.S. govt to bomb its own ships as an excuse to start a war with Cuba. Docs declassified, never happened though.

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:58 PM, chunky said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:55 PM, RandySicko said:

Because of experience. Try having a conversation with a baby boomer about illegal wars or fake terror plots.

 

WWI&II, kings, rulers, etc deposed

Rothschild&Warburg bankers take power

They use debt to control the world

Which is why Obamacare benefits them

Wouldnt be possible without the Federal Reserve

Interesting, but I meant, focus on current examples. The problem with criticizing the government on a conspiratorial platform is that the general masses view anything that isn't concrete as laughable (like you said). But if you can prove the government is not working in the interests of the people (both parties) then you are making progress that can be translated through the masses. Unfortunately there isn't a silver bullet, proving this, but I think one could connect dots over a range of issues that reveal intent of corruption, rather than incompetency.

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:08 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:58 PM, chunky said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:55 PM, RandySicko said:

Because of experience. Try having a conversation with a baby boomer about illegal wars or fake terror plots.

 

WWI&II, kings, rulers, etc deposed

Rothschild&Warburg bankers take power

They use debt to control the world

Which is why Obamacare benefits them

 

Wouldnt be possible without the Federal Reserve

Get rid of that and they'll find a new way to scam people

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:13 PM, chunky said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:08 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:58 PM, chunky said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 3:55 PM, RandySicko said:

Because of experience. Try having a conversation with a baby boomer about illegal wars or fake terror plots.

 

WWI&II, kings, rulers, etc deposed

Rothschild&Warburg bankers take power

They use debt to control the world

Which is why Obamacare benefits them

 

Wouldnt be possible without the Federal Reserve

 

Get rid of that and they'll find a new way to scam people

This is true

i havent heard you say anything of substance past one sentence or random IDs that appear on every Alex Jones esque hack talk show.

PS the conspiracy theories behind the Georgia Guidestones are complete nonsense, unless you believe time tourists, aliens, or magicians created it.

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:09 PM, compson said:

Interesting, but I meant, focus on current examples. The problem with criticizing the government on a conspiratorial platform is that the general masses view anything that isn't concrete as laughable (like you said). But if you can prove the government is not working in the interests of the people (both parties) then you are making progress that can be translated through the masses. Unfortunately there isn't a silver bullet, proving this, but I think one could connect dots over a range of issues that reveal intent of corruption, rather than incompetency.

People want to believe the government is working to protect them and their interests though becaise the gov't has spent a lot of time weaving this security blanket through fear campaigns and disinformation. Hell.. we've been under a state of emergency since the 30s!!! The only things that can really change a person's mind is their own willingness. Actual documentation and an urge for use of common sense helps, but I honestly think we're too far gone for that now. Technology has taken over and their agenda is now forced into every aspect of our lives. Just think about how many families own a television.

then show me legit documentation by a reknowned multilingual translator that says there is absolutely no doubt that the Georgia Guidestones call for specific population reductions.

show me legit documentation that says R.C. Christian is a member of a cult and not just some wacko with too much time and resources on his hands. its like saying the Toynbee puzzles are part of an NWO conspiracy. i don't have to prove it; im enlightened!

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:22 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

i havent heard you say anything of substance past one sentence or random IDs that appear on every Alex Jones esque hack talk show.

 

PS the conspiracy theories behind the Georgia Guidestones are complete nonsense, unless you believe time tourists, aliens, or magicians created it.

I have my questions about Alex Jones and his minions. I think he spent a bit too much time hanging around Charlie Sheen.

I will admit.. the Georgia Guidestones was more of a "fun" (if you will) one thrown in there. The substance is all here though.. it is just not in the form of long drawn out remarks pieced together with thesaurus.com.

There are some that tie in the Georgia Guidestones with AIDS, "chemtrails", forced innoculations, etc. Oh and Ted Turner

edit: How could I forget the possible "failure" of Fukushima fuel pool 4. Anyone know what happens if that collapses from an earthquake or other act of God (or HAARP)?

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:24 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:09 PM, compson said:

Interesting, but I meant, focus on current examples. The problem with criticizing the government on a conspiratorial platform is that the general masses view anything that isn't concrete as laughable (like you said). But if you can prove the government is not working in the interests of the people (both parties) then you are making progress that can be translated through the masses. Unfortunately there isn't a silver bullet, proving this, but I think one could connect dots over a range of issues that reveal intent of corruption, rather than incompetency.

 

People want to believe the government is working to protect them and their interests though becaise the gov't has spent a lot of time weaving this security blanket through fear campaigns and disinformation. Hell.. we've been under a state of emergency since the 30s!!! The only things that can really change a person's mind is their own willingness. Actual documentation and an urge for use of common sense helps, but I honestly think we're too far gone for that now. Technology has taken over and their agenda is now forced into every aspect of our lives. Just think about how many families own a television.

I think its a lot easier to spread ideas/truth, just takes a special coherent ability to present those ideas without it coming across as preachy. Films have this capability... bread crumbs to the rabbit hole, not the hole itself.

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:30 PM, RandySicko said:

There are some that tie in the Georgia Guidestones with AIDS, "chemtrails", forced innoculations, etc. Oh and Ted Turner

 

edit: How could I forget the possible "failure" of Fukushima fuel pool 4. Anyone know what happens if that collapses from an earthquake or other act of God (or HAARP)?

so you have people that somehow managed to connect a solitary, unmoving object that for all we know could be someone's fucking art project to a viral disease, the alleged poisoning of crops by government planes, and smallpox. Oh and CNN.

These sound like enlightened, intelligible "common sense" people.

This shit is complete disinformation with 1% truth sprinkled in for good measure. Sorry to shatter your belief systems. Go on what there is actual evidence for, like Northwood, COINtel, etc. etc. before you start pointing your finger at so called "ludicrous ignorant arguments" in this thread.

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:32 PM, compson said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:24 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:09 PM, compson said:

Interesting, but I meant, focus on current examples. The problem with criticizing the government on a conspiratorial platform is that the general masses view anything that isn't concrete as laughable (like you said). But if you can prove the government is not working in the interests of the people (both parties) then you are making progress that can be translated through the masses. Unfortunately there isn't a silver bullet, proving this, but I think one could connect dots over a range of issues that reveal intent of corruption, rather than incompetency.

 

People want to believe the government is working to protect them and their interests though becaise the gov't has spent a lot of time weaving this security blanket through fear campaigns and disinformation. Hell.. we've been under a state of emergency since the 30s!!! The only things that can really change a person's mind is their own willingness. Actual documentation and an urge for use of common sense helps, but I honestly think we're too far gone for that now. Technology has taken over and their agenda is now forced into every aspect of our lives. Just think about how many families own a television.

 

I think its a lot easier to spread ideas/truth, just takes a special coherent ability to present those ideas without it coming across as preachy. Films have this capability... bread crumbs to the rabbit hole, not the hole itself.

You're preaching to the choir now =) 9/11 Road to Tyranny is one of the best and I tell people to watch that instead of listening to me. The men and women who make those videos are professionals and dedicate their entire lives to the cause, so it is much more polished and put together very well. Can Still be very preachy though depending on the producer.

Repeat: Alex Jones, and anyone that works for Infowars is a complete fucking waste of time and are a blight upon any person capable of rational thinking

Dude uses an article from theonion.com to uphold the "population control" conspiracy.

http://www.infowars.com/satire-article-quips-at-least-2-3-billion-must-die-to-save-the-earth/

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:41 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:32 PM, compson said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:24 PM, RandySicko said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:09 PM, compson said:

Interesting, but I meant, focus on current examples. The problem with criticizing the government on a conspiratorial platform is that the general masses view anything that isn't concrete as laughable (like you said). But if you can prove the government is not working in the interests of the people (both parties) then you are making progress that can be translated through the masses. Unfortunately there isn't a silver bullet, proving this, but I think one could connect dots over a range of issues that reveal intent of corruption, rather than incompetency.

 

People want to believe the government is working to protect them and their interests though becaise the gov't has spent a lot of time weaving this security blanket through fear campaigns and disinformation. Hell.. we've been under a state of emergency since the 30s!!! The only things that can really change a person's mind is their own willingness. Actual documentation and an urge for use of common sense helps, but I honestly think we're too far gone for that now. Technology has taken over and their agenda is now forced into every aspect of our lives. Just think about how many families own a television.

 

I think its a lot easier to spread ideas/truth, just takes a special coherent ability to present those ideas without it coming across as preachy. Films have this capability... bread crumbs to the rabbit hole, not the hole itself.

 

You're preaching to the choir now =) 9/11 Road to Tyranny is one of the best and I tell people to watch that instead of listening to me. The men and women who make those videos are professionals and dedicate their entire lives to the cause, so it is much more polished and put together very well. Can Still be very preachy though depending on the producer.

Perhaps, but I meant in a less direct way. I think many people don't like to be told that their belief system has been flawed for a very long time. The way for them to transform is if they think they thought of it on their own.

alright, this thread has been derailed. well done Randy. We all know the truth now.

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:40 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:30 PM, RandySicko said:

There are some that tie in the Georgia Guidestones with AIDS, "chemtrails", forced innoculations, etc. Oh and Ted Turner

 

edit: How could I forget the possible "failure" of Fukushima fuel pool 4. Anyone know what happens if that collapses from an earthquake or other act of God (or HAARP)?

 

so you have people that somehow managed to connect a solitary, unmoving object that for all we know could be someone's fucking art project to a viral disease, the alleged poisoning of crops by government planes, and smallpox. Oh and CNN.

 

These sound like enlightened, intelligible "common sense" people.

 

This shit is complete disinformation with 1% truth sprinkled in for good measure. Sorry to shatter your belief systems. Go on what there is actual evidence for, like Northwood, COINtel, etc. etc. before you start pointing your finger at so called "ludicrous ignorant arguments" in this thread.

It's ok, you're not shattering anything. Yes I am mixing a lot of varied subject matter together and some will probably take it as I'm trying to lump everything under the same roof. You've really latched onto this Georgia Guidestone thing and to be honest, I am regretting adding it to the list. Is it absurd? Maybe. That is where common sense takes over though. Our government and world leaders are not afraid to kill mass amounts of people.

I wasnt calling your arguments ignorant. Was simply stating that they don't matter. You're arguing about stupid shit they use to keep you occupied... fighting for some "cause" .. having an opinion about something meaningless

  On 7/3/2012 at 4:45 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

Repeat: Alex Jones, and anyone that works for Infowars is a complete fucking waste of time and are a blight upon any person capable of rational thinking

 

Dude uses an article from theonion.com to uphold the "population control" conspiracy.

 

http://www.infowars....save-the-earth/

Infowars can be used as a good alternative to the mainstream media, but nothing else. They are good for worthless fear mongering. Did I ever imply that I have infowars as my homepage?