"Chaos Cinema"

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:32 PM, compson said:

Avatar while poorly written is way beyond any hollywood blockbuster of recent in terms of tech and ambition. And there's no way you make the most expensive film ever and not play to cliches... his goal is money, yes, but that money will be spent on future projects that continue to push the tech forward, so visionary filmmakers can produce CG films that are actually good... it's an ongoing process and I appreciate what he is doing.

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:38 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:32 PM, compson said:

Avatar while poorly written is way beyond any hollywood blockbuster of recent in terms of tech and ambition. And there's no way you make the most expensive film ever and not play to cliches... his goal is money, yes, but that money will be spent on future projects that continue to push the tech forward, so visionary filmmakers can produce CG films that are actually good... it's an ongoing process and I appreciate what he is doing.

i actually think that's not a good idea... :(

What about it? Are you opposed to virtual reality?

what about it? do you really think it will go the right way?? the way i see it humans would spend entire days shopping or something if they had virtual reality... or watching skrilexxes gigs...

technology will never save us... :(

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:46 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

what about it? do you really think it will go the right way?? the way i see it humans would spend entire days shopping or something if they had virtual reality... or watching skrilexxes gigs...

People already do that... but the possibilities of virtual reality interfaces for creativity are too great to suggest we have hit some kind of sweet spot.

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:48 PM, compson said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:46 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

what about it? do you really think it will go the right way?? the way i see it humans would spend entire days shopping or something if they had virtual reality... or watching skrilexxes gigs...

 

People already do that... but the possibilities of virtual reality interfaces for creativity are too great to suggest we have hit some kind of sweet spot.

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:50 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:48 PM, compson said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:46 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

what about it? do you really think it will go the right way?? the way i see it humans would spend entire days shopping or something if they had virtual reality... or watching skrilexxes gigs...

 

People already do that... but the possibilities of virtual reality interfaces for creativity are too great to suggest we have hit some kind of sweet spot.

what if there's no creativity??? or if it's used by the ones who have means and not creativity, like it is today, money...

Perhaps, but how can you be certain? 10 years ago personal computers couldn't do what they can now... did you fear its possibilities then?

Relevant:

Am I the only one struggling to take a conversation between two karl pilkingtons seriously? The avatars are positioned perfectly for the conversation too

jesus h christ those fucking carl pilkington avatars...

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:52 PM, compson said:

Perhaps, but how can you be certain? 10 years ago personal computers couldn't do what they can now... did you fear its possibilities then?

computers are for science not for artsy faggots... lolz xoxo

  On 8/14/2012 at 10:10 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 9:52 PM, compson said:

Perhaps, but how can you be certain? 10 years ago personal computers couldn't do what they can now... did you fear its possibilities then?

well, there you have it, what you have today, is the result of using computer in arts...

 

computers are for science not for artsy faggots... lolz xoxo

I disagree that the tools are at fault, I also disagree that new tools can be understood initially to be used correctly. It's a process that takes time to reach new levels, just as computers started off unable to beat the best grandmaster at chess.

  On 8/14/2012 at 10:20 PM, compson said:

just as computers started off unable to beat the best grandmaster at chess.

  On 8/14/2012 at 10:24 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 10:20 PM, compson said:

just as computers started off unable to beat the best grandmaster at chess.

and now you shoot people up...

I play chess on my computer, again... its not the tools that are at fault but how they are utilized. The initial films in the early 1900's were just like trains on a track or shots in a city. This was amazing at the time for people because no one had seen anything quite like it. But as we progress the tools became more streamlined and advance. The Digital era is fresh and I contend that it will just take time before we hit a point where the tools are fully utilized to benefit ideas. Right now the ideas are the tech.

i hope you're right

complaining about the use of technology in arts on a forum dedicated to music made through technology.

exactly... lol

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:15 AM, chenGOD said:

complaining about the use of technology in arts on a forum dedicated to music made through technology.

more like complaining about the people that misuse it. you were doing the exact same thing to Skrillex in another thread.

lol you guys make me feel sane. :)

  On 8/15/2012 at 2:25 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

lol you guys make me feel sane. :)

as long as somebody does :p

  On 8/15/2012 at 12:11 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:15 AM, chenGOD said:

complaining about the use of technology in arts on a forum dedicated to music made through technology.

 

more like complaining about the people that misuse it. you were doing the exact same thing to Skrillex in another thread.

I never mentioned his use of technology. I said he jumped on bandwagons.

I'm not gonna deny that I find a lot of films boring nowadays, but I'm not gonna just attribute that to technology. I would wager you've watched stuff that has heavy compositing and you never even recognized it.

I dunno - to me the shaky cam stuff from Blair Witch was way more annoying than anything in Transformers. Different strokes I guess.

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:52 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 12:11 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:15 AM, chenGOD said:

complaining about the use of technology in arts on a forum dedicated to music made through technology.

 

more like complaining about the people that misuse it. you were doing the exact same thing to Skrillex in another thread.

I never mentioned his use of technology. I said he jumped on bandwagons.

I'm not gonna deny that I find a lot of films boring nowadays, but I'm not gonna just attribute that to technology. I would wager you've watched stuff that has heavy compositing and you never even recognized it.

I dunno - to me the shaky cam stuff from Blair Witch was way more annoying than anything in Transformers. Different strokes I guess.

Its. not. about. the. technology.

Im assuming you are responding to other people taking the original critique wildly out of context; if so, fair game.

yeah yeah - it's about the misuse of technology - which to me reads as "directors are being lazy because of the easy technology". but like I said - the dross put out now will be forgotten, much like the dross put out in the '60s or '70s, or '80s or '90s etc etc etc.

It just seems like a cheap shot at mostly crappy movies. Again - maybe I have like super-heightened spatial awareness, but I never had any troubles following what the fuck was going on in any of the clips he showed - even with them muted.

For me, i don't think the use (or misuse) of technology is what Expendables suck, or Transformers be nothing more than 2 hours of CGIfest. It's crappy storytelling for me, combined with actors who can't emote their way out of a paper bag.

Yup. I feel quite old these days, also because most great movies are all back until 80's

safe! things have got worse since CG effects started to replace real actors/models/sets/costumes

imagine:

knight rider with a cgi car

the a team with a cgi B.A

star wars with cgi instead of all the amazing effects (oops)

looking back at the matrix, some of the cgi stuff still looks cool, that's because the plot of the film is based in a computer world, so it makes sense to use computer graphics. but the real world stuff with the sentinel monsters is just generic and crappy. and the superman scenes are shite. effects should be as believable as possible, the further they get away from reality i.e. the fewer physically real actors/objects/items they use to do the effect, the shitter it is. original star wars is cool because those spaceships were real models. as a kid you could imagine yourself riding in one of those X wing thingies. these CG bullshit things are bullshit crappy feces fecal bullshit from a cow's ass. UDDERS.

I still think Terminator 2 has one of the most properly used cgi ever. Sure it's not as realistic as can be done today but its filmed in perfectly!