depression

routine asin a regular sleep pattern, diet, exercise, daylight ... very simple but they work. occupying the mind. socialise even if its hard at times, if only with a few folk. quality not quantity is important with friends. don't be scared to speak to people but be aware people are scared of such subjects, if they don't understand it properly they'll just dismiss it ...

listen to metal

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:10 PM, A/D said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

I know for a fact there are some serious cases out there where trying something is not a bad idea. I do think the idea of overmedication is awful and shouldn't be an easy conclusion, but there are some people for whom simply being told to mow the lawn isn't a solution. Also, I disagree that young people are just itching to be diagnosed with a mental disorder. I think you've got a touch of get-off-my-lawn syndrome, grandpa. Why don't you ask someone specifically about their issues instead of publicly decrying them all? Can't be bothered to go outside your own conclusions?

don't take it personally, there's a point in there behind the sledghammer... for instance, someone here was talking about feeling a bit lost after graduating/finishing school so had to go to the doctor and get counselling and meds... but everyone feels lost when they leave school, it's a big change, entering adult life and responsibility... without detracting from anyone in real need of help, jumping on meds when you're feeling a bit down or lost is extremely prevalent and acceptable these days... i think that's what bcm's getting at. maybe.

what i find more alarming is people here with anxiety and depression issues self medicating with spurious stuff from unregulated online suppliers... it seems like some of you are taking unprescribed cocktails just to get through the day? doesn't seem like the right approach to me... and smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

  <a href=' data-cite= said:

' timestamp='1345023636' post='1864197']

smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

speak for yourself

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:26 PM, keltoi said:

i think that's what bcm's getting at.

absolutely.

I fully understand where BCM is coming from. People shouldn't be medicalised at such a young age. If only, because the brain is still in full development and the knowledge of the long- or short term effects on a pre-adolescent brain is still up for grabs. I won't say it's never a good idea, but the $3 bln settlement for GSK (prescribing antidepressants to children even though it hadn't been shown to be safe, or rather, there were indications it wasn't safe- among other things) should speak volumes.

Also nice to know: manufacturers of antidepressants use online forums as a way to market their 'ware'. It has been shown that online forums which focus on mental issues tend to help growth of use of anti-depressants, for instance. So if you happen to come across one of those mental illness communities, odds are some marketing people from various industries are active.

Excuse me for my cynical note. But it's always good to take into account some people are making lots of money off of other peoples misery. If medicines help you, by all means go for it. Otherwise, there are lots of other options. Happiness is a choice.

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:26 PM, keltoi said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:10 PM, A/D said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

I know for a fact there are some serious cases out there where trying something is not a bad idea. I do think the idea of overmedication is awful and shouldn't be an easy conclusion, but there are some people for whom simply being told to mow the lawn isn't a solution. Also, I disagree that young people are just itching to be diagnosed with a mental disorder. I think you've got a touch of get-off-my-lawn syndrome, grandpa. Why don't you ask someone specifically about their issues instead of publicly decrying them all? Can't be bothered to go outside your own conclusions?

 

don't take it personally, there's a point in there behind the sledghammer... for instance, someone here was talking about feeling a bit lost after graduating/finishing school so had to go to the doctor and get counselling and meds... but everyone feels lost when they leave school, it's a big change, entering adult life and responsibility... without detracting from anyone in real need of help, jumping on meds when you're feeling a bit down or lost is extremely prevalent and acceptable these days... i think that's what bcm's getting at. maybe.

 

what i find more alarming is people here with anxiety and depression issues self medicating with spurious stuff from unregulated online suppliers... it seems like some of you are taking unprescribed cocktails just to get through the day? doesn't seem like the right approach to me... and smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

Alright, I've been following this thread, looking for advice and suggestions, I think you're referring to my post in the anxiety thread. Let's get somethings clear though. I'm 23, I've been dealing with anxiety and withthat, a level of depression for about 6 years or so.. I do recall having depressive episodes in highschool, specifically a depersonalized moment, where I felt self aware, but distanced from everything around me.. That was a first for me, that was when I sought treatment. I've been on/off meds since then, and to be honest, they never made me feel 100% again

ok, so fast forward through college, where I still had some major out-lashes as a result of being emotionally unstable (alcohol has always been fickle, bringing me into some serious altercations with myself and others). Still, the problems persist. I've found better coping skills along the way, but I'm still on the lookout for what else may help. Drugs are not something that can help me in the long run, obviously, but I'd be lying to say they haven't made certain situations tolerable.

But yeah, I realize there are some 30+ year old people on this board, and I respect that, but if you have something to say towards someone, perhaps it'd be best to say it to that person directly? instead of pussy footing around. no offense, but it just comes across as condescending

>18 your brain is still developing. But I think at this point I need to deal with what I have. I'm hoping it's still malleable, otherwise how else am I to make improvements without long-term medication, which I prefer to avoid

this topic is possibly the most common on WATMM.

My suggestion is you stop eating shitty food and, as soon as possible, put on some running shorts, some running shoes... and go for a 40 minute jog.

do this every day or every other day for a week. If you're angry, listen to some good music to clear it out of you.

write in a journal.

the majority of people I know are depressed. I'm somewhat worse than them, but at the same time I've learned to deal with it much better.

Take my word for it, the #1 cure for depression is a healthy lifestyle. Exercise being the most important part.

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

profit

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:35 PM, Social Spastic said:

  <a href=' data-cite= said:

' timestamp='1345023636' post='1864197']

smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

 

speak for yourself

everyone is better off getting the right balance of anti-psychotic cannabinoids to counteract the psychotic effects of THC 50-50. this is where the majority of growers get it wrong

The dude should read nikos kazantzakis the saviors of god. I actually think everyone should. Its like the perfect manual for the human race.

http://www.angel.net/~nic/askitiki.html

Then he should re-read it and make sure he understands the deep, obvious, yet not so obvious words of this book.

  On 8/14/2012 at 4:12 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

what does that mean?

Means you're fucked once its in your head lol.

Depression needs to be qualified. For me depression is when you start to feel suicidal, no longer get the same sort of pleasure you did from previous activities, significant loss of motivation, dark unpleasant moods, sleep a lot and most significantly loss of libido. I would say that depression has to be addressed quickly because if left can fester and get totally out of hand. That's just my 2 cents.

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:29 PM, NZT said:

You guys might find this video interesting. It shows you a woman suffering from depression getting a chip implanted into her brain to regulate her mood. She feels instantly better after the operation. Amazing. View from 43 minutes onwards.

 

http://video.google....785608139596344

That's what I'm trying to get and I'm not joking. I'm just going through the motions myself until I can get DBS. I'm on 5 meds at the mo for depression (well 4 and one for reflux)!!

I'm not sure this is the right place for these youtubes of Tony Robbins dealing with a "depressive" woman, but I think it's interesting to see how people can go in and out of their "depression". The quotes are there because it isn't a real depression (as explained at 2.00 in the first video), so this case is probably not a good example for the shit some of you are dealing with, but it's an interesting case of human psychology, if you will.

Some notable moments, imo:

- Very moving part at the 0.55 mark of the second part. Throughout the first part I was still wondering wether or not she was an actress. If she is, she deserves an oscar for this part. I'm in tears every time I see it. Which is quite a number of times, tbh.

- some insightful stuff around the 13.00 mark of the second part (people who know themselves for swapping between states of depression and anger should take note!)

  On 8/14/2012 at 11:45 AM, chimera slot mom said:

I'm not going to approach the kind of depression that psychiatrists call a chemical imbalance. You are a human being and are never broken, you are just the way nature made you.

Not entirely true, every person has a unique physiological composition. In my case, a couple of tests reveal that I'm unable to naturally retain sufficient levels of zinc and magnesium for optimum neurotransmitter production (incl. the natural 'happy' chemicals). No biggie, since I'm able customize the intake of nutritional supplements to suit my particular needs. I'm lucky that depression is so easily avoidable by doing something so damn simple

If you're serious about treating depression that you thinks more than just environmental conditions, shitty diet & lifestyle etc. there's perhaps a goods chance it's to do with your biochemical makeup and this is readily treatable. Fuck drugs - unless they are produced lovingly by your brain on it's own accord. You might just need to nudge your body a little in the right direction so it's closer to "nature's best intentions"

Find a good shrink who isn't a drug-pusher, and get some blood/piss tests done to see if there's more to the story. Worked wonders for me

I should add, just because someone's biochemistry isn't optimum it doesn't mean they are broken. In a way we're all like cabbage patch kids

  On 8/15/2012 at 8:11 PM, roasty said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 11:45 AM, chimera slot mom said:

I'm not going to approach the kind of depression that psychiatrists call a chemical imbalance. You are a human being and are never broken, you are just the way nature made you.

 

Not entirely true, every person has a unique physiological composition. In my case, a couple of tests reveal that I'm unable to naturally retain sufficient levels of zinc and magnesium for optimum neurotransmitter production (incl. the natural 'happy' chemicals). No biggie, since I'm able customize the intake of nutritional supplements to suit my particular needs. I'm lucky that depression is so easily avoidable by doing something so damn simple

 

If you're serious about treating depression that you thinks more than just environmental conditions, shitty diet & lifestyle etc. there's perhaps a goods chance it's to do with your biochemical makeup and this is readily treatable. Fuck drugs - unless they are produced lovingly by your brain on it's own accord. You might just need to nudge your body a little in the right direction so it's closer to "nature's best intentions"

 

Find a good shrink who isn't a drug-pusher, and get some blood/piss tests done to see if there's more to the story. Worked wonders for me

I don't have a magnesium/zinc deficiency, but I know from my own experience that those two minerals can help with anxiety; restlessness and muscle spasms. They work by blocking the NMDA receptors. Only downside is that they are natural laxatives..

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

Post of the day/week/month/year.

  On 8/15/2012 at 9:33 PM, Bewarethefriendlyfoil said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

Post of the day/week/month/year.

Nope, sorry. This isn't the 1950's. You can't talk about it as if the "good ol' days" were any different. There is overwhelming evidence that a large percentage of the industrialized world's inhabitants suffered from forms of depression, and most were medicated. The only difference between these eras in that respect is updated forms of medicine, advanced diagnostics, and drug regulation. Look up how many cases of depression were misdiagnosed and treated with all sorts of horrible drugs ranging from heavy opiates, to cocaine, to so-called "natural remedies" that usually ended up killing the person or making the problem worse.

The increase of communicative and technological abilities of scientific medicine and diagnostic process is not at fault here, this isn't a "new phenomenon".

Not to mention your abhorrent false argument about how kids are put on medication rather than told to "mow the lawn". What hard evidence do you have to show this is true? On top of that, what evidence do you have to show that orders from parents in all forms have a positive effect in combating depression?

My point is this: the advent and expansion of defining what "depression" or depressive disorders are is far from complete, but at least its scientifically argued. The whole natural remedies and/or "just shut up and stop whining" method is dangerous, short-sighted, and ignorant. Look into Kinsey and Freidan's surveys of American women in the 1950's, who became hardcore alcohol addicts because their husbands denied them to seek psychiatric help or some form of therapy with licensed professionals. I suppose they should have just kept their mouths shut and stick to thinking about dishwashers.

Do physicians and pharm companies abuse their power over medicine in the industrialized world? Of course. But to note that and then jump to the wild conclusion that its all useless and exploitative is insane.

Sometimes I think I suffer from crippling depression but right now I'm in the thralls of mania.

I would say do nothing, sit on the floor and drink water, with the AC off. If you live in a hot place, go for a jog, come home, and just sit on the floor. Do nothing. Listen to the sounds of the dust molecules in your room.

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:35 PM, Social Spastic said:

  <a href=' data-cite= said:

' timestamp='1345023636' post='1864197']

smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

 

speak for yourself

i always do, thanks (apart from when i was speaking for bcm up there). i assume you're up on the implications of gen-modded weed so smoke away.

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:52 PM, viscosity said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:26 PM, keltoi said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:10 PM, A/D said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

I know for a fact there are some serious cases out there where trying something is not a bad idea. I do think the idea of overmedication is awful and shouldn't be an easy conclusion, but there are some people for whom simply being told to mow the lawn isn't a solution. Also, I disagree that young people are just itching to be diagnosed with a mental disorder. I think you've got a touch of get-off-my-lawn syndrome, grandpa. Why don't you ask someone specifically about their issues instead of publicly decrying them all? Can't be bothered to go outside your own conclusions?

 

don't take it personally, there's a point in there behind the sledghammer... for instance, someone here was talking about feeling a bit lost after graduating/finishing school so had to go to the doctor and get counselling and meds... but everyone feels lost when they leave school, it's a big change, entering adult life and responsibility... without detracting from anyone in real need of help, jumping on meds when you're feeling a bit down or lost is extremely prevalent and acceptable these days... i think that's what bcm's getting at. maybe.

 

what i find more alarming is people here with anxiety and depression issues self medicating with spurious stuff from unregulated online suppliers... it seems like some of you are taking unprescribed cocktails just to get through the day? doesn't seem like the right approach to me... and smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

 

Alright, I've been following this thread, looking for advice and suggestions, I think you're referring to my post in the anxiety thread. Let's get somethings clear though. I'm 23, I've been dealing with anxiety and withthat, a level of depression for about 6 years or so.. I do recall having depressive episodes in highschool, specifically a depersonalized moment, where I felt self aware, but distanced from everything around me.. That was a first for me, that was when I sought treatment. I've been on/off meds since then, and to be honest, they never made me feel 100% again

 

ok, so fast forward through college, where I still had some major out-lashes as a result of being emotionally unstable (alcohol has always been fickle, bringing me into some serious altercations with myself and others). Still, the problems persist. I've found better coping skills along the way, but I'm still on the lookout for what else may help. Drugs are not something that can help me in the long run, obviously, but I'd be lying to say they haven't made certain situations tolerable.

 

But yeah, I realize there are some 30+ year old people on this board, and I respect that, but if you have something to say towards someone, perhaps it'd be best to say it to that person directly? instead of pussy footing around. no offense, but it just comes across as condescending

 

 

 

>18 your brain is still developing. But I think at this point I need to deal with what I have. I'm hoping it's still malleable, otherwise how else am I to make improvements without long-term medication, which I prefer to avoid

i wasn't pussy-footing... if anything i was being flippant cos i couldn't remember who said it, in which thread... sorry about that.

i really hope you feel better soon. but i have to suggest not bothering with online chemicals for lucid dreaming or whatever else while your head isn't in a good place as it is. maybe you'll happen upon something that helps but like i said this doesn't strike me as a healthy way to address your issues... of course i'm no expert.

on which note, i'll bow out and leave you to it. lots of good discussion and advice happening here and i don't want to ruin it coming over all judgemental.

  On 8/15/2012 at 10:11 PM, keltoi said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:35 PM, Social Spastic said:

  <a href=' data-cite= said:

' timestamp='1345023636' post='1864197']

smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

 

speak for yourself

 

i always do, thanks (apart from when i was speaking for bcm up there). i assume you're up on the implications of gen-modded weed so smoke away.

 

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:52 PM, viscosity said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 6:26 PM, keltoi said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 5:10 PM, A/D said:

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:40 AM, BCM said:

i find the amount of very young people on here who claim to be "depressed" at age 15 or some shit, and are given fucking drugs by doctors to treat their supposed disorder, extremely alarming. seems to be a much worse problem

stateside... i mean, for fuck's sake everyone's depressed about something at 15 - you 're fucking 15! one minute up, the next down...this is called being a teenager. the fact that normal teenagers (who love any excuse to moan and would jump onto a "depression" diagnosis like flies to a fresh turd) are being diagnosed with depression et al, rather than being told to stop moaning and go and mow the lawn, plus being given mood-altering drugs by alleged professionals is absolutely scandalous.

I know for a fact there are some serious cases out there where trying something is not a bad idea. I do think the idea of overmedication is awful and shouldn't be an easy conclusion, but there are some people for whom simply being told to mow the lawn isn't a solution. Also, I disagree that young people are just itching to be diagnosed with a mental disorder. I think you've got a touch of get-off-my-lawn syndrome, grandpa. Why don't you ask someone specifically about their issues instead of publicly decrying them all? Can't be bothered to go outside your own conclusions?

 

don't take it personally, there's a point in there behind the sledghammer... for instance, someone here was talking about feeling a bit lost after graduating/finishing school so had to go to the doctor and get counselling and meds... but everyone feels lost when they leave school, it's a big change, entering adult life and responsibility... without detracting from anyone in real need of help, jumping on meds when you're feeling a bit down or lost is extremely prevalent and acceptable these days... i think that's what bcm's getting at. maybe.

 

what i find more alarming is people here with anxiety and depression issues self medicating with spurious stuff from unregulated online suppliers... it seems like some of you are taking unprescribed cocktails just to get through the day? doesn't seem like the right approach to me... and smoking copious amounts of strong weed is not going to help... that should be obvious.

 

Alright, I've been following this thread, looking for advice and suggestions, I think you're referring to my post in the anxiety thread. Let's get somethings clear though. I'm 23, I've been dealing with anxiety and withthat, a level of depression for about 6 years or so.. I do recall having depressive episodes in highschool, specifically a depersonalized moment, where I felt self aware, but distanced from everything around me.. That was a first for me, that was when I sought treatment. I've been on/off meds since then, and to be honest, they never made me feel 100% again

 

ok, so fast forward through college, where I still had some major out-lashes as a result of being emotionally unstable (alcohol has always been fickle, bringing me into some serious altercations with myself and others). Still, the problems persist. I've found better coping skills along the way, but I'm still on the lookout for what else may help. Drugs are not something that can help me in the long run, obviously, but I'd be lying to say they haven't made certain situations tolerable.

 

But yeah, I realize there are some 30+ year old people on this board, and I respect that, but if you have something to say towards someone, perhaps it'd be best to say it to that person directly? instead of pussy footing around. no offense, but it just comes across as condescending

 

 

 

>18 your brain is still developing. But I think at this point I need to deal with what I have. I'm hoping it's still malleable, otherwise how else am I to make improvements without long-term medication, which I prefer to avoid

 

i wasn't pussy-footing... if anything i was being flippant cos i couldn't remember who said it, in which thread... sorry about that.

 

i really hope you feel better soon. but i have to suggest not bothering with online chemicals for lucid dreaming or whatever else while your head isn't in a good place as it is. maybe you'll happen upon something that helps but like i said this doesn't strike me as a healthy way to address your issues... of course i'm no expert.

 

on which note, i'll bow out and leave you to it. lots of good discussion and advice happening here and i don't want to ruin it coming over all judgemental.

it may not be a morally health conscious choice, but I can say from experience, it has pulled me through with the anxiety.. Maybe it's comparable to the use of benzodiazepines, but it's not that I'm taking it for kicks. I use them as a crutch, i'll admit, but now that I feel a bit situated, I can minimize there use. Ideally I would like to live as sober, and drug free as possible. But if that impedes on my ability to live a comfortable, happy life, then I will do what's necessary. Part of taking medication, especially social anxiety drugs, is to get myself out of isolation, to disillusion myself from the fear of crowded spaces. What i'm working on is exposure, I know it might not be the best method to do that in conjunction with drugs like benzos or low-level opiates, but this particular solution is helping (along with other methods; exercise and creative catharsis) when I have that overwhelming dread of panic and paranoia.

I was never officially diagnosed with depression, if anything this low may stem from a number of things. I never said I had all my shit together, I've been a work in progress. Personally, i've been in much worse spots.. if anything I am just bitching about my life right now.. yes it seems static since graduation. I like to stay productive, and I need to find other ways of doing that.

Not trying to restrict myself to the self-help sections of WATMM.. but sometimes it helps to just talk about shit rather then to let it fester.

bcm's post is harsh but very beneficial, i also believe there are some very serious issues with the definition and the subsequent treatment of depression, it's probably even more philosophical than just clinical i think. imo the most serous pitfall is going straight for the "WAR AGAINST SYMPTOMS" while ignoring the wide spectrum of possible causes, one of the most obvious one is being young person in a very depressing time.

with that said i don't sanctify the "naturalness" and don't have some ideological opposition against drugs to adjust the mood, but that whole drug world is a massive clusterfuck with the cocktails and side effects of side effects, drug supplements and so on.

im pretty sure this defines at least 80% of watmm:

  On 8/15/2012 at 7:21 PM, The Bro said:

Depression needs to be qualified. For me depression is when you start to feel suicidal, no longer get the same sort of pleasure you did from previous activities, significant loss of motivation, dark unpleasant moods, sleep a lot and most significantly loss of libido. I would say that depression has to be addressed quickly because if left can fester and get totally out of hand. That's just my 2 cents.

If you are so depressed go volunteer to help someone else out. Big Brothers and Big Sisters, fire department something...

  On 8/15/2012 at 11:00 PM, eugene said:

bcm's post is harsh but very beneficial, i also believe there are some very serious issues with the definition and the subsequent treatment of depression, it's probably even more philosophical than just clinical i think. imo the most serous pitfall is going straight for the "WAR AGAINST SYMPTOMS" while ignoring the wide spectrum of possible causes, one of the most obvious one is being young person in a very depressing time.

 

with that said i don't sanctify the "naturalness" and don't have some ideological opposition against drugs to adjust the mood, but that whole drug world is a massive clusterfuck with the cocktails and side effects of side effects, drug supplements and so on.

 

im pretty sure this defines at least 80% of watmm:

  On 8/15/2012 at 7:21 PM, The Bro said:

Depression needs to be qualified. For me depression is when you start to feel suicidal, no longer get the same sort of pleasure you did from previous activities, significant loss of motivation, dark unpleasant moods, sleep a lot and most significantly loss of libido. I would say that depression has to be addressed quickly because if left can fester and get totally out of hand. That's just my 2 cents.

If you honestly think that post was beneficial, I think I have now discovered the causes of my depression.

"Teens will be teens." Easy answers at their finest.