Jake Evans 911 Call

  On 10/12/2012 at 7:17 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Or whatever about a culture where people are equipped with the emotion tools to deal with this sort of stuff.

 

 

Seriously, if the basic principles of Buddhism was taught to elementary students, we'd live in a much better world.

 

the problem is that mental health is a joke in most places. i bet this kid showed plenty of signs, but everyone, teachers, parents, coaches, ignored them.

 

let me tell you a personal story. i had crippling social anxiety that started in middle school. simple things like talking in a discussion or handing in a test would cause my hands to violently shake, my voice to shake, my pulse and blood pressure to skyrocket and my vision to go blurry. my teachers noticed because i fucking had to tell them not to make me do presentations. nobody, not even once, suggested any sort of help for me. my mother actually became angry with me (she still doesn't quite "believe" in my anxiety).

 

if someone had stepped in when i was younger, my life would probably be totally different. shame nobody gave a cared. now i have to drink pills before any major social interaction so my body doesn't flip out.

 

anyway, my point is that we don't do enough to make sure people are stable. we do really superficial things that probably don't make a difference, like rating movies and banning cusswords in music. but when it comes to actually talking to people and trying to find out if they're doing ok... our culture thinks it's entirely appropriate to tell people to "man-up." and then we're surprised when they snap and murder others.

It's OK Richie. Just take some deep breaths. Then walk outside with your hands above your head...

 

I personally don't believe that we have to live in a world where people get to this point. Like Limpyloo says, there are tools to get out of your head when it's a bad place to be. I think wanting to kill is pretty common. It's a question of being taught proper technique to deal with it.

Blatant disregard for mental health issues is disgusting.

stfu essines this kid shouldnt have done the crime if he cant do the time

17?????????????????????????????????? when i was 17 i KNEW BETTER THAN THIS

how dare you

  On 10/12/2012 at 4:46 PM, Hoodie said:

  On 10/12/2012 at 7:17 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Or whatever about a culture where people are equipped with the emotion tools to deal with this sort of stuff.

 

 

Seriously, if the basic principles of Buddhism was taught to elementary students, we'd live in a much better world.

 

the problem is that mental health is a joke in most places. i bet this kid showed plenty of signs, but everyone, teachers, parents, coaches, ignored them.

 

let me tell you a personal story. i had crippling social anxiety that started in middle school. simple things like talking in a discussion or handing in a test would cause my hands to violently shake, my voice to shake, my pulse and blood pressure to skyrocket and my vision to go blurry. my teachers noticed because i fucking had to tell them not to make me do presentations. nobody, not even once, suggested any sort of help for me. my mother actually became angry with me (she still doesn't quite "believe" in my anxiety).

 

if someone had stepped in when i was younger, my life would probably be totally different. shame nobody gave a cared. now i have to drink pills before any major social interaction so my body doesn't flip out.

 

Sounds like my life. Except I've slowly replaced Xanax with attitude shifts. I realized that my crippling social anxiety stemmed from caring a disproportionate amount about what other people thought about me. If I made even the tiniest faux pas I would dwell on it for days after. I was stuck thinking about how I was coming across, instead of just doing my own thing.

 

(Incidentally my father had a similar experience, but back in the early 60's it was totally like "stop sniveling, be a man." Social anxiety was not a commonplace thing.)

 

I still have some residual "nerves", but my confidence is quite good these days. Once again, I cannot recommend studying Buddhism enough. Definitely swooped in and saved the day.

 

  On 10/12/2012 at 4:46 PM, Hoodie said:

 

anyway, my point is that we don't do enough to make sure people are stable. we do really superficial things that probably don't make a difference, like rating movies and banning cusswords in music. but when it comes to actually talking to people and trying to find out if they're doing ok... our culture thinks it's entirely appropriate to tell people to "man-up." and then we're surprised when they snap and murder others.

 

 

At the root of all of these problems is the frustration-aggression hypothesis. Most people are familiar with the idea of a guy coming home after a shitty day of work and kicking the dog.

  On 10/12/2012 at 6:43 PM, RichieBees said:

stfu essines this kid shouldnt have done the crime if he cant do the time

17?????????????????????????????????? when i was 17 i KNEW BETTER THAN THIS

how dare you

 

Are you that stupid or are you just a shitty troll?

lol, before i clicked on the link i thought it was going to be some sort of urban dictionary reference about smoking blunts

yeah the only thing they bleeped out was the gate code for the gated community he lived in.

  On 10/12/2012 at 4:15 PM, RichieBees said:

god damn ive got such a fucking boner i wish theyd let me kill this kid id be like

u wanna kill ur mum and sister and not show emotion about it?> IVE SEEN american psycho theres no helping u lot

then id torture him (on webcam for the world to see, it will probz be a deterrent) saying if u do this i will fucking cut u up u fucking piece of shit god yeah that would be great i wish he would be put to death in a football stadium for the cheering crowds

imo if u do the crime u will get fucking cut up by a nutter then u stay out the kitchen

 

jesus christ I feel horrible for LOLing at this

  On 10/14/2012 at 12:26 AM, usagi said:

troll, and one that's getting really tiresome.

 

anyway, this is a pretty sad story and I don't really want to hate the kid because I feel he's probably a normal person who has gotten ideas in his head which he has not been helped with and have festered, leading to this tragic outcome.

 

Hoodie, were/are you seeing a therapist who has tried getting you habituated to situations that would cause your anxiety to skyrocket like that?

 

i'm actually doing that myself. i'm taking a public speaking class next semester and i'm hoping i'll be able to do presentations without beta bloclers by the end of it (maybe). my anxiety has gotten better since my teen years. i wasn't able to even hand money to a cashier without shaking and little things like that but i've gotten better. speaking in front of people still fucks me up though. it's a process but i know i'll get better. i still feel like it would've helped if i had gotten help as a kid, because my anxiety peaked towards the end of high school. if there had been an intervention earlier it probably would've helped more since my symptoms were less severe. oh well.

ugh i hate shit like this. It's kind of sick but I feel worse for that kid than the family and friends. I empathize with the guilt of fucking up a lot more than I empathize with misfortune, and it's stuff like this that hits me hardest. There's no love for the wicked. I probably shouldn't feel that way buy I do.

Here's an example of why loonies not having access to guns is preferable...

 

A crazy guy just tried to gnaw on his fellow passenger on a metro train in China, think if he'd had a gun instead..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y90l9neenY[/url[/media]

Edited October 14, 2012 by lumpenprol

  On 10/14/2012 at 6:59 AM, lumpenprol said:

Here's an example of why loonies not having access to guns is preferable...

 

A crazy guy just tried to gnaw on his fellow passenger on a metro train in China, think if he'd had a gun instead..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y90l9neenY[/url[/media]

Why didnt anyone intervene and kick him in the face? wtf

Looks like they did, towards the end of the clip.

 

As for the delay, combination of group mentality plus shock I guess. Few people are heroes, and few people respond appropriately and quickly, irl.

A very vivid listening experience... Thanks for posting!

I think the phenomon (of the onlookers) has to do with the dissipation of responsibility.

 

For instance, if only one person was witnessing the attack, that person would feel all of the responsibility to intervene. The more people you add to the group, the less each person feels that it's their duty to intervene.

 

Thus inaction.

true. its also the watering down of individual civil responsibility in fear of a more centralized government. now before everyone paints me as a libertarian vigilante gunslinger, think about how those people might have been subconsciously trained NOT to intervene.

 

they could get arrested and imprisoned for assault against the original attacker..who knows what they might have been charged and sentenced with without video evidence?

 

people are trained not to intervene, its the responsibility of the police, not yours. you risk danger to yourself, and you risk imprisonment. what if you struggled to pull the attacker off and he had a heart attack, or for whatever other reason died?

 

Shit, in Baltimore a few years back a robber broke into a house at night, armed with a shotgun. The homeowner fearing for his life and the life of his wife and children picked up a knife and somehow managed to stab the guy in the neck to incapacitate him.

 

The attacker subsequently died before giving any testimonial in the hospital. The homeowner was put on trial for 2nd-degree murder. You heard me right. Second degree murder. Because of some weird judicial loophole in Bmore law, the testimony of the man's wife and kids was disregarded in the trial. The man was very likely going to end up in prison for 20-30 years until by some miraculous occurrence one of the robber's former running crew testified that he talked about hitting up that row of houses. This testimony got the homeowner off the hook.

 

So do you understand how, if defending yourself and your family in your home means taking a gamble on twelve other people's opinions on self-defense could get you in jail for the rest of your life, extrapolating that to a more centralized and censored society in the PRC, how people would be afraid to act physically in a public area?

 

Its disturbing as shit. So of course most of them hesitate to help, and look at each other to wait for the common signal to go at him.

 

Its sad, its pathetic, and its infuriating. But that's the situation. Its not like these people are born indifferent to the sufferings of others

  On 10/14/2012 at 11:37 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

true. its also the watering down of individual civil responsibility in fear of a more centralized government. now before everyone paints me as a libertarian vigilante gunslinger, think about how those people might have been subconsciously trained NOT to intervene.

 

they could get arrested and imprisoned for assault against the original attacker..who knows what they might have been charged and sentenced with without video evidence?

 

people are trained not to intervene, its the responsibility of the police, not yours. you risk danger to yourself, and you risk imprisonment. what if you struggled to pull the attacker off and he had a heart attack, or for whatever other reason died?

 

Shit, in Baltimore a few years back a robber broke into a house at night, armed with a shotgun. The homeowner fearing for his life and the life of his wife and children picked up a knife and somehow managed to stab the guy in the neck to incapacitate him.

 

The attacker subsequently died before giving any testimonial in the hospital. The homeowner was put on trial for 2nd-degree murder. You heard me right. Second degree murder. Because of some weird judicial loophole in Bmore law, the testimony of the man's wife and kids was disregarded in the trial. The man was very likely going to end up in prison for 20-30 years until by some miraculous occurrence one of the robber's former running crew testified that he talked about hitting up that row of houses. This testimony got the homeowner off the hook.

 

So do you understand how, if defending yourself and your family in your home means taking a gamble on twelve other people's opinions on self-defense could get you in jail for the rest of your life, extrapolating that to a more centralized and censored society in the PRC, how people would be afraid to act physically in a public area?

 

Its disturbing as shit. So of course most of them hesitate to help, and look at each other to wait for the common signal to go at him.

 

Its sad, its pathetic, and its infuriating. But that's the situation. Its not like these people are born indifferent to the sufferings of others

i totally agree with ya man. it really upsets me how nowadays, in certain cases, people are punished for helping. ive heard too many stories like this one, and its total bull.

I can only speak from personal experience, and this is a true story. I watched a 1 year old child fall out of a 2 story window once, there was seemingly no one else around who noticed and i saw it from within my apartment. I heard a doppler effected baby crying flying down above me and heard it slam to the dirt ground below. My adrenaline kicked in and i ran out of my apartment as soon as i could. At this point it seemed like the idiotic dumb mother fucking cunt parents didn't notice. So i got to a locked gate, the baby had fallen behind it. I had to jump over this gate in my hyped up state and saw the child crying and on it's back. I hesitated for about 30 seconds when i realized that if i touched this child i could be sued or even arrested for injuring it. It was probably stupid in retrospect but i felt compelled to make sure it wasn't suffering from any external injuries, who knows what internal injuries it had. I picked up the child in my adrenaline state and passed it over the locked gate to another concerned neighbor. In those moments, sadly, i was equally concerned about me making sure i didn't get in trouble for intervening as much as i was about the child's well being. This is what our litigious culture has done to me, i can't speak for anyone else but i dont think im alone.

 

edit: forgot to mention that the child was miraculously unharmed, and the parents didn't even get in trouble with CPS who came with the paramedics as soon as they arrived. They placed a bed against a window and kept the window open most of the day, all the child did was press up against the screen and fall out. I noticed the screen fall first, and i thought to myself 'those assholes will need me to fix their screen again' and within seconds came the falling child. I think i have PTSD because of that incident

Edited October 15, 2012 by Awepittance

  On 10/15/2012 at 3:00 AM, usagi said:

  On 10/14/2012 at 3:57 AM, Hoodie said:

i still feel like it would've helped if i had gotten help as a kid, because my anxiety peaked towards the end of high school. if there had been an intervention earlier it probably would've helped more since my symptoms were less severe. oh well.

 

same. in retrospect, I have to say some of the responsibility is on me in that I became very avoidant and didn't actively look for support/outlets, but when you're a kid you don't think about that. you don't realise that your myriad small spur-of-the-moment decisions will pile up to have such big long-term consequences.

 

anyway, good luck with the public speaking class. if you can get rid of beta blockers by the end that would be a big win. I did a similar thing a few years back by putting myself in a role at work where I'd be making and answering phonecalls. the first two or three calls were stupidly difficult to do, then it got easier over time. I've been thinking lately about volunteer work as well, maybe with the State Emergency Service.

i don't think i was a bad of case where i needed medication like you two but i had some real social issues as a child. i never spoke to people i never knew. and even if someone was talking to me i just ignored them and would never make eye contact. i couldn't order my own food at a restaurant until i was in my teens. i was afraid to make any interaction with others. Hoodie, Usagi's advice is pretty spot on for making progress. i made friends with an extremely outgoing kid in middle school. he knew just about everyone at school and would talk to all of them. he helped me a lot. slowly he introduced me to more and more people and put me in situations where i had to talk to people. eventually i found conversing with others becoming easier. i now have no anxiety with talking to strangers, and giving speeches are so much easier for me. before i would shake, my mouth would dry up, and i would become nauseous. now im giving speeches in front of about 100 people in my classes. its all about taking steps. and i know from experience that speech classes will help A LOT.

  On 10/14/2012 at 4:29 AM, gmanyo said:

ugh i hate shit like this. It's kind of sick but I feel worse for that kid than the family and friends. I empathize with the guilt of fucking up a lot more than I empathize with misfortune, and it's stuff like this that hits me hardest. There's no love for the wicked. I probably shouldn't feel that way buy I do.

 

I agree with you. Nobody just decides to become a psychopathic murderer, people are molded and shaped by their life experiences. But it's not in our nature to be compassionate for someone so dangerous or iredeemable. We need that compassion to make society better, though.

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  On 10/14/2012 at 6:59 AM, lumpenprol said:

Here's an example of why loonies not having access to guns is preferable...

 

A crazy guy just tried to gnaw on his fellow passenger on a metro train in China, think if he'd had a gun instead..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y90l9neenY[/url[/media]

You think he chewed on her simply because he was lacking some other weapon?

is that the case? "I don't have a gun so imma chew"? i'm not being a dick (you know i love ya lumpy), i'm sincerely asking is this the kind of shit we've come to?

  On 10/15/2012 at 7:46 AM, usagi said:

  On 10/15/2012 at 5:01 AM, Frankie5fingers said:

i don't think i was a bad of case where i needed medication like you two...

 

I've never been on psych meds, just to be clear. not that I think they're completely usless or destructive, but I didn't want them to be my first solution.

 

glad to hear things are better for you.

oh, just sounded like you at some point needed them. my bad. and im the same way, i avoid any and all medication whenever i can.

and thanks man.

  On 10/15/2012 at 7:31 AM, essines said:

You think he chewed on her simply because he was lacking some other weapon?

is that the case? "I don't have a gun so imma chew"? i'm not being a dick (you know i love ya lumpy), i'm sincerely asking is this the kind of shit we've come to?

 

I love you too essines. No I was just making some sort of false equivalency, doubt there's much overlap between loner American teen sociopath and a Chinese guy who snaps on a subway...but if you're gonna snap, better to only have your teeth than a gun...btw despite the gruesome video apparently the guy/gal is all patched up now. Not sure what happened to the assailant.