squarepusher New, lots of production shit to spill...

Aight all, awesome community you lot got going here, all the WATMM artists are my favourites and all, anyway, I'm 16, from London, use Reason a lot, n I make sorta ambient/trip hop cheeky early wagon christy kinda shit. Also I make a lot of happy Dnb that kinda could be compared to High Contrast.

Anyway, I always listen to squarepusher and think, shit, to come close to that kind of programming would be dreamy, I mean I'm aight at production in many other respects, I've been at it for a good four years now, but damn, his beat programming is nuts. And also Hrvatski (check him out if you haven't; that's an order for squarepusher fans) and just all that electronic music shit.

Anyway, just today I started doing some experiment with m NN-XT and found that you can sorta make some pseudo electronic music with it, I loaded an amen rex and kinda just MIDI'd in some shit, with some reversed slices and drill loops and stuff, but it ain't all that great past the initial 'fuck, i'm making electronic music' kinda thing...

So given that I plan on sticking with Reason as a sequencer mainly cos even though I'm aware Logic n Cubase are much better sequencers, I have such a good knowledge of Reason that I'd feel comfortable having it as a base, I decided to set up a plain VST and DXi host, which would also be good for more compatibility with absynth 3 which I also have. But Reason is sucky at compatifying :)

I was reading a post which said that plugins like the Squarepusherizer were good, any others people can recommend me? Also how does having a plain VST base work out in the end? One I'm looking at actually has Rewire, which is good.

Anyone have any electronic music tricks which I could do just with Reason's instruments? Also, I can't for the life of me figure out how to change the velocity lane for a rex slice like for a drill or something...

PS I attached a recent tune I started, it's a sort of slightly cheezy mr scruff kinda thing, I don't know, give it a listen, i make all sorts of fun shit..

I'd love someone who is perhaps doing similar shit to add me on msn (djjj128@hotmail.com) to trade tunage n stuff

Anyway sorry for long post and if I was a n00b or something (you never know on forums who's going to lash out at you for being a 'n00b' I hate all that shit, I hope I've posted this in the right forum, it is about knob twiddling after all)

JJ

use a tracker to make your beats

Can I have a "dupe" to go with that "watmm account" please?

Hi, I`m not a reason user myself, but maybe you should check out how this reason patch is built.

buffer override

wheres the song?

Speaking of which, this plugin was released for free today: http://www.illformed.org/glitch/

Looks fucking nuts, but also very much like a cheap trick.

yes, where's the song...?

  Bubba69 said:

Speaking of which, this plugin was released for free today: http://www.illformed.org/glitch/

 

Looks fucking nuts, but also very much like a cheap trick.

I dont know what to think of this because it makes things very easy for regular sequencers but also is sort of lazy. Instead of the usual random stutter glitch bufferoveride bullshit, you can actually program sequences in the plugin of what pitch shifts, tapestops, stutter, flangers, etc. happen. So its quite nice to use but still seems like a really cheap way to do things, but so NICE! Its too nice. God damn whyd he release it for free now we will get a bunch of Bullshit music. The pattern idea is very revolutionary for this type of plugin, especially for free. Opinions.

glitch is really cool. you can also use it as a gate sequencer, or filter sequencer if you just silence or filter one of the tracks. then it becomes really useful for all around shit.

i actually bought the audio damage bigseq gate sequencer plugin for just this shit, but it didn't work very well.. and now theres a free plugin that just works! yay.

ahoyz, rewires definatly the way to go with reason, the mixer in reason affects the sound when the fader is low , the masters fine, but mixdown in something like cubase is better, you can also export each track as audio to mix in cubase if u cant use rewire.

  Bubba69 said:

  Bubba69 said:

Speaking of which, this plugin was released for free today: http://www.illformed.org/glitch/

 

Looks fucking nuts, but also very much like a cheap trick.

 

I dont know what to think of this because it makes things very easy for regular sequencers but also is sort of lazy. Instead of the usual random stutter glitch bufferoveride bullshit, you can actually program sequences in the plugin of what pitch shifts, tapestops, stutter, flangers, etc. happen. So its quite nice to use but still seems like a really cheap way to do things, but so NICE! Its too nice. God damn whyd he release it for free now we will get a bunch of Bullshit music. The pattern idea is very revolutionary for this type of plugin, especially for free. Opinions.

technology is meant to simplify life, and thats the way its been. ppl who used to write music on sheets of paper will look at you with your fancy 300 dollar computer sequencer and say "omfg he's doing it the cheap way"

my advice is to just get with the friggin program, and if this vst is at the cusp of your technical ability, push further

besides anyone who programs this kinda stuff by hand is gonna get better results, i'm just so sick of these conversations every time a squarepusherizer machine comes up, everyone cries "omfg electronic music is getting so easy" ... music is not based on how many tricks you have in your song

  acid1 said:

music is not based on how many tricks you have in your song

i agree. while i can definately appreciate the technical ability that goes into writing some massive maxmsp patch that does some fucking amazing thing, i consider myself a musician, not so much a developer, and to me the music at the end result of the technology everybody goes apeshit for is more important than what it took to make it. i mean if people can string gameboys together and make a good track, i'm happy, if you can sequence, synth, sample, record, edit, and effect all with maxmsp patches my hat goes off to you, but if you make a track that is really good that's more impressive to me, and i've heard awesome tracks made on everything from the cheapest (free) tracker program to rooms full of priceless analog gear to completely self-developed software instruments. i say this as somewhat of a gear whore who is not happy with his own tracks by the way.

Even if somebody does invent something like an automatic squarepusher plugin and te results are taylored to sound exactly like squarepusher or something, it might be good for a week. Then we will realize it is a sound that is not interesting anymore. I still haven't tried this plugin, but I believe it sets itself apart from other automatic stutter plugins because it holds patterns and sequences in it. It does what it does. I would have no problem with music being manipulated (to an extent) with this plugin, but if it defines a sound then music will become very similar. But if it is well diesigned enough than it is nothing more than another tool, tracker, vst host setup of effects. What would make this even better is if it could load VSTs within it. My thoughts ATM (subject to change).

I have to agree that, I honestly don't consider squarepusherizers or buffer override or anything else to be a "cheap trick". Because a thousand people with no musical talent could hammer out some squarepushized stuff that sounds like shit, but the true artist will arrange it in an artfull way that sounds pleasing. Nothing is a "cheap trick" because the act of arranging a song into something moving and artfull is really damn hard.

fuck this bullshit disscusion

  Forlon said:

glitch is really cool. you can also use it as a gate sequencer, or filter sequencer if you just silence or filter one of the tracks. then it becomes really useful for all around shit.

 

i actually bought the audio damage bigseq gate sequencer plugin for just this shit, but it didn't work very well.. and now theres a free plugin that just works! yay.

but you can do the same thing with automation. or just applying effects to parts of a wav.. and not just use their choice of effects...

  tauboo macgruffy said:

  Forlon said:

glitch is really cool. you can also use it as a gate sequencer, or filter sequencer if you just silence or filter one of the tracks. then it becomes really useful for all around shit.

 

i actually bought the audio damage bigseq gate sequencer plugin for just this shit, but it didn't work very well.. and now theres a free plugin that just works! yay.

but you can do the same thing with automation. or just applying effects to parts of a wav.. and not just use their choice of effects...

i don't mind a little convenience over control.